[Gnaw]

It is day 1. 17 hours 4 minutes remain.


17 players alive: ADL, Andorion, Blend, Bliss, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gusty, HO, Itwas Nom, Khell, Kitsu, Macros, Mess, Sergiej, Tapper, Tatts


9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to night.

Votes:

2 votes Andorion: ADL, HO,

2 votes Tatts: Macros, Gusty

1 vote Blend: Tatts,

Players not voted: Andorion, Blend, Coltain93, Itwas Nom, Khell, Sergiej, Tapper, Mess, Bubba, Dhenrabi, Bliss, Kitsu,




Note: No MM as I'm blocked from that here.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 26 April 2016 - 08:57 PM

[Coltaine -]

Okay, now I understood why it is better to lynch someone on day one. But still a difficult decision.
But hey, 16 hours left. I will go to sleep and decide tomorrow

[Itwæs Nom]

Coltaine93, on 26 April 2016 - 09:06 PM, said:

Okay, now I understood why it is better to lynch someone on day one. But still a difficult decision.
But hey, 16 hours left. I will go to sleep and decide tomorrow

I'll just note that with remaining time going down your options are narrowing if you really wanna get a lynch, you might end up having only one option despite no-lynch

[Khellendros]

Finally done and ready to engage for realsies! Let me read up the impressive number of pages and then state some super important and relevant things which surely no one has already mentioned...ish.

[Blend]

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

Finally done and ready to engage for realsies! Let me read up the impressive number of pages and then state some super important and relevant things which surely no one has already mentioned...ish.

vote Khell

Seems pretty obvious to me, he's already setting us up to expect him to just rehash what everyone else is saying.

[Siergiej]

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Often what happens is that we get close to lynching someone on Day 1, usually for some stupid reason that only makes a little bit of sense, but because we don't end up getting the lynch, even with the kill info (and most killers will often kill someone completely unrelated to the Day 1 controversy for this very reason), more often than not, the kill has nothing to do, either directly or obliquely, with the cases people were pushing Day 1, let alone being a kill that may give us enough information to suss out who the killers are yet. Then we get to Day 2, and if, as is usually the case, nothing new has come up information-wise, we spend the entirety of another day cycle rehashing the exact same cases as during Day 1.<br style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 11.7px; line-height: 19.5px; background-color: rgb(24, 24, 24);"><br style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 11.7px; line-height: 19.5px; background-color: rgb(24, 24, 24);">So, by not lynching on Day 1, we've now wasted 2 days arguing about the same cases.

Thanks Blend, that helps a lot!

Andorion v Tatts looks like the point of contention for Day 1 and admittedly the core of my own reasoning from the previous post, so I went back and looked and how it unfolded (this timeline is limited to the Androion-Tattersail situation):

• Andorion starts speculating about mechanics
• Tatts joins the speculation
• In the next post Macros throws accusation at Andorion because of that speculation
• Khell joins and points fingers at Andorion
• Tattersail votes Andorion
• Nom votes Andorion
• Dhenrabi votes Tatts
• Macros votes Tatts
• HiddenOne comes back to Macros' post that started the whole debate and votes Andorion
• JPK votes Andorion
• Gust votes Tatts
• Dhenrabi removes vote against Tatts
• Tatts removes vote against Andorion and votes Blend
• JPK removes vote against Andorion

What looked fishy to me is how Macros only focused on Andorion speculating mechanics and how Tatts pivoted from talking mechanics himself to lynching Andorion. But then he actually backtracked and voted Tatts, so it makes sense. And for the record, Tatts did offer an excuse for his speculation:

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The difference between me speculating on what the extra role may be, (asking Tapper, who has run a lot of games) and Andorion speculating on what town roles there may be is huge

This sounds like a shaky logic to me, but I don't want to jump to a conclusion based on only this with so little Mafia experience I have.


Initially I was most suspicious of team vote Andorion but after a re-read (more like re-skim to be fair) I think that would expose them too much. Throwing accusations at Tatts is more defensible and an opportunity to stir things up at the same time, with fueling the tension. Dhenrabi retracted his vote for Tatts and Macros actually backtracked to this conclusion after going after Andorion, so that leaves me with Gust. This is a looong shot and I might be reading way too much into things, but here it goes:

Vote GustHubb

[Khellendros]

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 09:43 AM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:38 AM, said:

Oh short introduction since I've not found a better place to do it.

I'm new here, have been playing mafia for a long time on another forum though.

It seemed like great fun to me to join a new community where I'm not yet aware of everyone's meta and such.
I'm watching the mafia 'champions' game, since my other forum also sent a representative, and saw that there was a champion from Malazan Empire (that's you, bear man).
I'm a big fan of Malazan, and not a big fan of the ridiculously 'srs bsns' tone that the bigger mafia boards have, so this seemed perfect.

I'm going to enjoy playing with you all and hope you do the same

Sssssh! Don't tell them that, I intercepted the request post and set up an entire fake alt hegemony to fool Thingyman into thinking I was genuinely chosen by the masses...

So this is why I received an invite to be our representative but next thing I knew you had signed up. I knew there was a conspiracy, and no failure on my part to respond to PMs.

[Messremb]

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 09:52 PM, said:

So this is why I received an invite to be our representative but next thing I knew you had signed up. I knew there was a conspiracy, and no failure on my part to respond to PMs.

Glaciers formed and melted in the time you took to not respond

[Khellendros]

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:58 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 09:55 AM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Can someone point me towards the anonymous option because I can't find it

Log out, click the log in at top right and in the drop down there is username, password and two tick boxes - Remember me and "Sign in anonymously; Don't add me to the active users list". Tick Anonymous, sign in

Thanks, got it.

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 09:59 AM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:58 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 09:55 AM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Can someone point me towards the anonymous option because I can't find it

Log out, click the log in at top right and in the drop down there is username, password and two tick boxes - Remember me and "Sign in anonymously; Don't add me to the active users list". Tick Anonymous, sign in

Thanks, got it.

Macros, as you can see, is sufficiently confident in his ability to control thread that he doesn't care who sees that he is browsing.

My he has been a helpful bear today hasn't he? Giving helpful summaries on everyone (wasn't there also one about lynching me by day 3?). It's almost like, "that Gerry, he's a good guy, always been polite to everyone. Only, rumour has it he's in deep debt to the mob, and they might force him to do something he might not want to do to clean the slate, if you know what I mean. I mean, it's just a rumour and all, but keep watch for that just in case."

Just noting that

[Khellendros]

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:59 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 10:55 AM, said:

How is this for his posting times?

I gave up on my spreadsheet about 25 games ago, you'll have to use the search function

Personally, I prefer higher contributions from everyone and am happy to see it. Ando clearly feels that he is getting a good enough feel for how games are structured to speculate on this one in thread. I like it.

Aww man! I so enjoyed fucking up your posting time spreadsheet by posting at the most random times

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 11:04 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 11:00 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 10:55 AM, said:

Now to take this into Meta territory, this is one of the highest posting starts to a game I have seen Andorion do. He is being overly talkative which is totally different to the way he usually plays.

Andorion, on 23 April 2016 - 12:33 AM, said:

Another more personal point:

I don't play Mafia the way you guys play Mafia. I don't play it as a separate tab on my work computer as I don't have a work computer. My work is quite different from the majority. I play Mafia at other times, and this affects my posting. Weekend breaks seem silly to me as those are the times I could play the most.

Related to this, there is another aspect: Some Mafia games are based on another media/theme like Legend of Korra, D&D etc. I think it is sort of presumed that players will have a basic idea what extra wrinkles these themes add to the game. This is not necessarily true. I had no idea what either of those two things were. So in games like these I would love an embedded link explaining briefly what the theme is and how its relevant to the game

I am not sure I made much sense. But this was what I was thinking off when I went to bed last night. Its 6 AM here. If this was a Mafia game, my active window would extend around 3 more hours

How is this for his posting times?

Absolutely correct. At home today, so I can cycle between tabs smoothly. If this was a workday I would have half the posts I think.

So I am right, good excuse to post more, more free time. So I picked up on it, combined it with your town speculation and felt like you'd be a good place to start.

Not sure how that works: More free time = more likely to be scum???

[Khellendros]

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

This has been a very active day so far, Im hoping the phone signal is as good at my next port of call.

Tatts, mess and andiron are firing posts out like crazy. Overall content has been either helping newbies and quoting stuff, wall o'quote text blocks that I habitually scan and what I read as a "NO YOU!!" Match between tatts and andiron.

Realistically a meaning post from me at this juncture of the game is laptop material, which will be after work.

Well, it's not a list, but it is a summary.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 03:23 PM, said:

Ah, found it.

Grief, on 22 April 2016 - 06:31 PM, said:

3. Why so few cult games? I'm not talking mind-bending mechanical monstrosities, which is where we do seem to find cults. I'm talking about other forms of low TMDI game, aside from the standard M&P. Cult games in particular have something of an advantage over killer games in terms of activity; players don't die off except through lynching, and there are essentially an increasing number of symps to give people clues. Mixing up the Low TMDI games could be helpful I think. As it stands, I feel like there can be a bit of a dichotomy here between very standard M&P and very complicated high TMDI games.

Grief mentions it, then Tapper and Shin mention it too. Not too far off the mark that Gnaw may have included one in this game, as it has been a while since we seen one and 17 players is quite a high number for just 3 scum.

And the person to first raise a role is probably it...always been one of my favourite 'rules'. But seriously, I'm not getting into this, as someone else I think already said, till there's evidence of anything wacky going on, this is town vs scum and that's the focus.

[Khellendros]

Gust Hubb, on 26 April 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

Thoughts per page as I have time :

Page 1- why do Macros and Khell ignore the fact Tatts asked Tapper about mechanics pretty much right after Andorian's post?

I agree, Nom's post is way too quick, and the second vote on day 1 tends to be srs bsnss

Because I stopped paying proper attention to the game after that as work went hectic. But I will raise something related to this when I've finished my readthrough.

[Messremb]

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:05 PM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:59 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 10:55 AM, said:

How is this for his posting times?

I gave up on my spreadsheet about 25 games ago, you'll have to use the search function

Personally, I prefer higher contributions from everyone and am happy to see it. Ando clearly feels that he is getting a good enough feel for how games are structured to speculate on this one in thread. I like it.

Aww man! I so enjoyed fucking up your posting time spreadsheet by posting at the most random times

Yeah but I so enjoyed you posting at absurd times so thought I'd leave you to it

[Khellendros]

Gnaw, on 26 April 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

It is day 1. 17 hours 4 minutes remain.


17 players alive: ADL, Andorion, Blend, Bliss, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gusty, HO, Itwas Nom, Khell, Kitsu, Macros, Mess, Sergiej, Tapper, Tatts


9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to night.

Votes:

2 votes Andorion: ADL, HO,

2 votes Tatts: Macros, Gusty

1 vote Blend: Tatts,

Players not voted: Andorion, Blend, Coltain93, Itwas Nom, Khell, Sergiej, Tapper, Mess, Bubba, Dhenrabi, Bliss, Kitsu,




Note: No MM as I'm blocked from that here.

Is this right? Did ADL vote for Andorion? Did Nom remove their vote?

[Khellendros]

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 09:33 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

Finally done and ready to engage for realsies! Let me read up the impressive number of pages and then state some super important and relevant things which surely no one has already mentioned...ish.

vote Khell

Seems pretty obvious to me, he's already setting us up to expect him to just rehash what everyone else is saying.

Au contraire!


Okay, so I pointed out the Andorion listing of town roles and said "EEEENTERESTING!" for a deliberate purpose. Not because I actually thought there was something in it - it's a silly thing to do and I think Andorion's probably played enough to be careful enough not to post something like that as scum - thoug I reserve the right to be wrong!

But rather I did it to see if anyone would jump on. And there go Tatts, Nom, JPK, and...someone else...HO! As I said, I don't thing it makes Ando particulalry scummy seeming in my view, so I was interested by these reactions, and the reversals by some when it seemed the Ando votes might not gain as much traction as it looked like they could.

Of those, I don't particularly agree that Tatts is playing quite differently to normal as some have mentioned. Yes, he's prone to switch wildly, and has he not just done that by fairly inexplicably switching from Ando to Blend? So far that doesn't make him scum, that just makes him Tatts

On the other hand, HO has been more active than normal (yes, really) and that piques my interest. JPK reads like he's coasting, though also may be a newbie testing the waters - have they played before. Nom jumping on straight after Tatts was very eyebrow raising to me, as if trying to show they're active and contributing participants, almost over eager. Also notable as is the recent backing down and reversing from that position ('oh gee, I may have made a mistake').

I'm going to go there for now.

Vote Itwas Nom

[Khellendros]

Sorry for all the catch up posting (not sorry). And welcome to all the new players! I hope you have fun and all stick around for many games to come!

[Khellendros]

I should clarify, reading over again I did make one mistake in that assessment. Nom didn't really reverse from their vote, that was more HO and Kitsu, but rather asserted that it was more that they were comfortable adding another vote with so many needed, before obliquely warning Coltaine to hurry up and decide who to vote for. So that's interesting from a whole other perspective (i.e. who doesn't care overmuch where votes go so long as someone's lynched? Well, usually scum), but sigh, it's also already making me question my vote! I'll stick to my guns at least overnight

[A Demon Llama!]

Okay I am back home.

Gnaw, I did not vote anyone yet, so that there is a mistake.