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Posted 07 August 2016 - 05:23 PM

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View PostAbyss, on 05 August 2016 - 03:44 PM, said:

i will wait for the last book.....i will wait for the last book. i will wait for the last book. i will waohhh fuckit.


Lol - did you succumb, Abyss?


broke like a twig but i opted for the earbook so that i could actually get to it in the nearer future. will start it once i'm thru the current Kate-amine dose.
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Posted 07 August 2016 - 07:48 PM

@Madness

you seem like the man to know. Is the atrocity tale about the sranc-pit fighter published anywhere outside of that magazine? Bakker seemed to just publish the rest online?
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Posted 07 August 2016 - 10:09 PM

View PostAbyss, on 07 August 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

View PostMadness, on 06 August 2016 - 05:10 PM, said:

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View PostAbyss, on 05 August 2016 - 03:44 PM, said:

i will wait for the last book.....i will wait for the last book. i will wait for the last book. i will waohhh fuckit.


Lol - did you succumb, Abyss?


broke like a twig but i opted for the earbook so that i could actually get to it in the nearer future. will start it once i'm thru the current Kate-amine dose.


Nice! Kevin Orton back to read again! I've heard good things and a fair number of people opted for the audiobook for their rereads.


View PostCause, on 07 August 2016 - 07:48 PM, said:

@Madness

you seem like the man to know. Is the atrocity tale about the sranc-pit fighter published anywhere outside of that magazine? Bakker seemed to just publish the rest online?


The Knife of Many Hands is only available in the two parts published in Grimdark Mag E-zine (though, I mean I bought both issues for the Atrocity Tale - and a sweet Bakker interview in the second - and they're available in a bundle for real cheap). I honestly wish he'd clean up and monetize the other two and any other forthcoming Atrocity Tales - the next of which is set to appear in an anthology Evil Is A Matter of Perspective and will feature a minor TGO character as its antagonist.

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 01:31 AM

View PostMadness, on 07 August 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 07 August 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

View PostMadness, on 06 August 2016 - 05:10 PM, said:

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View PostAbyss, on 05 August 2016 - 03:44 PM, said:

i will wait for the last book.....i will wait for the last book. i will wait for the last book. i will waohhh fuckit.


Lol - did you succumb, Abyss?


broke like a twig but i opted for the earbook so that i could actually get to it in the nearer future. will start it once i'm thru the current Kate-amine dose.


Nice! Kevin Orton back to read again! I've heard good things and a fair number of people opted for the audiobook for their rereads.




Yeah, and Orton was better in this one. Especially close to the end. Any idea why he changed some of his pronunciations from the previous books he narrated? (Kell-us to Kell-hoose, Kuh-N-ay-ur to Nayr iirc)


I'd agree that TGO is the best book in TAE (so far), and comes closest to MBotF in epic scope, startling developments, and depth of philosophical introspection and interchange.
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Posted 08 August 2016 - 02:00 PM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 08 August 2016 - 01:31 AM, said:

Yeah, and Orton was better in this one. Especially close to the end. Any idea why he changed some of his pronunciations from the previous books he narrated? (Kell-us to Kell-hoose, Kuh-N-ay-ur to Nayr iirc)


Bakkerfans (majorly mrganondorf at Second Apocalypse) got to interview Kevin Orton and David DeVries for TSACast awhile back (both are basically inaudible recordings :p ). Orton mentioned he doesn't make the phonetic decisions that some other narrators do and that WLW, in particular, was "the Slog of Slogs" as it had to be recorded over long hours but in as few as three or four weeks. Also, I'm sure the gap in between recording WLW and TGO would account for some of the changes in pronunciation (though, really, maybe MG was pronouncing it Kell-hoose and Nayr :p ).

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 08 August 2016 - 01:31 AM, said:

I'd agree that TGO is the best book in TAE (so far), and comes closest to MBotF in epic scope, startling developments, and depth of philosophical introspection and interchange.

That is the highest praise possible from the Malazan fandom :p.

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:20 PM

This will be my first Bakker earbook so I have no particular fixed notion of the pronunciations beyond inside my thinkymeatz (Cnaiur... ken-urr? kinoor? noo-arr? nuu-air? keh-noo-aaar? keniggit? Kenobi? nair?)

That said a narrator can make or break an earbook so nice to know this one is quality.
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Posted 08 August 2016 - 04:42 PM

The pronunciations were listed in book one - Cnaiur is Nay-ur. Neigher, I guess. Because Scylvendi likehorses and neighers mount from behind and suddenly I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE BAKKER YOU SLY SAUSAGE
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Posted 08 August 2016 - 06:10 PM

That would have required me to have read the pronunciations (something I almost never do in fantasy lit even when an author gracefully bothers to provide them), paid attention when I did so (ha ha), and remembered them to present day (what were we talking about?).

Too much like work.




Also, in my head 'K-nuur' sounds better.
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Posted 09 August 2016 - 01:52 PM

Lol - I've heard enough different people with disparate pronunciations. The variety just makes communicating about it more interesting. Bakker basically just tells people who ask that there's no canonical pronunciations - though, smarter persons than I have tried breaking a lot of character names down phonetically.

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Posted 09 August 2016 - 02:43 PM

View PostAbyss, on 08 August 2016 - 06:10 PM, said:

That would have required me to have read the pronunciations (something I almost never do in fantasy lit even when an author gracefully bothers to provide them), paid attention when I did so (ha ha), and remembered them to present day (what were we talking about?).

Too much like work.




Also, in my head 'K-nuur' sounds better.





If you pronounce it wrong on purpose then you're a weeper and we know how many weepers there are on the slog now don't we.
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Posted 09 August 2016 - 03:28 PM

oh go slog yourself.
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Posted 09 August 2016 - 06:51 PM

No limpers, no weepers, the captain always gets the first taste, no blasphemy, no conniving

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 02:07 PM

SA had a thread for that actually.
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Posted 11 August 2016 - 02:56 PM

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No limpers, no weepers, the captain always gets the first taste, no blasphemy, no conniving

Drugs are okay


No hogging the joint on the slog!
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Posted 15 August 2016 - 04:14 AM

Nobody likes limpers. Waaaaaaah!
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Posted 15 August 2016 - 04:19 AM

Kind of liking the book, but much like a later SE book (particularly with the Tiste), I can't pick up who's who very well. Too many of the names just don't stick all that well. Another series which will improve with rereads :rolleyes:
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Posted 15 August 2016 - 04:57 AM

View PostLimper, on 15 August 2016 - 04:19 AM, said:

Kind of liking the book, but much like a later SE book (particularly with the Tiste), I can't pick up who's who very well. Too many of the names just don't stick all that well. Another series which will improve with rereads :rolleyes:

By the mid point of the book, the PoVs narrow down and the flood of names is much lower. By the end, you'll know who is who pretty vividly.

This book is bonkers good. It changed my view of Kelhus and the Non-Men.
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Posted 09 September 2016 - 03:19 PM

3/4 of the way.

This is the best epic fantasy I have read since The Crippled God.

Seriously. I am in awe. If Bakker can stick the landing this will make every minute I spent being annoyed while reading SNOOZING EYE and WHITE SLOG WARRIOR worthwhile.







....and would be remiss in not saying how annoyed I am at having to wait for part 2. You Jerks.
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Posted 10 September 2016 - 01:13 AM

Still propitiating the Empty Throne - damn you UK release date!
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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:31 PM

High praises from the Malazan crowd make my heart smile.

Yeah, I'm fairly disappointed in Orbit's ramp up to TGO. I hope that there's more noise about Bakker's release closer to the end of the month.
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