[acesn8s]

Andorion, on 18 September 2015 - 04:55 AM, said:

Nevyn, on 18 September 2015 - 04:43 AM, said:

1) Taking Winterfell was as much about proving something to Daddy as any kind of sound tactical plan. But if you remember from S1 and the books, there are only so many ways armies can get to the north, and most of the power of the North is not there. So while someone could probably be sent, with the right backup from his dad it is plausible that Theon could hold, and its not so easy for Robb to retake while still trying to fight the war.

4.1 WAFO .... more on the brotherhood to come. You will get this answer, and you did not miss anything. Store the reference away and wait.
4.2 You'll get more detail on this as we go. But do you know that he is working for the Lannisters? Did he agree to help her? What words did he actually use? Does he speak like the other characters?
4.3 GOT is loosely based on european middle ages. People who can read and write are pretty rare. That is what Maesters are for.
4.4 Maaaayyyybe

5.1 Yes, and no. Similar idea, but perhaps more mystical and more volatile.
5.2 Maybe he's a more complicated character than you think. Maybe not. Watch and judge on.

6.1 Who says the creature lasts long? I wonder what it takes out of characters to do that, and whether it could realistically be done again. We're talking magic. It has limitations and it has costs. WAFO
6.2 There is an answer for this, but it may take more watching and reading to get a complete picture. For now, ask yourself why Melisandre would choose to help Stannis in the first place.
6.3 I don't recall the details

Thanks for the answers. I get that Theon has very big inadequacy issues. I am waiting to see how this is developed later.

4.2 The chap was in a Night Watch cage, but now he is walking around in armour and has a sword in a Lannister stronghold. he had to have taken service with them. I think I need to rewatch that scene
4.3 I get the medieval analogy, but these people are tasked with sending important communications. He actually sent Lannister internal comms to a Stark faction. Tywin should have beheaded him

6.2 Why Melisandre is supporting Stannis: Best Guess: She thinks she can make him king and through him control all Westeros with her religion?
6.3 The cave: Davos rows Melisandre to acave which is barred part way in by an iron grate, and she births the shadow assassin there. Why did they need that cave?

Because it was dark and creepy and the gate would show that the shadow creature is incorporeal. errr... I mean, they had to get the creature as close to Renley as possible because it wouldn't stick around long. It's a one shot weapon. Do you remember what Melisandra needed to create it?

[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 18 September 2015 - 04:55 AM, said:

Thanks for the answers. I get that Theon has very big inadequacy issues. I am waiting to see how this is developed later.

4.2 The chap was in a Night Watch cage, but now he is walking around in armour and has a sword in a Lannister stronghold. he had to have taken service with them. I think I need to rewatch that scene
4.3 I get the medieval analogy, but these people are tasked with sending important communications. He actually sent Lannister internal comms to a Stark faction. Tywin should have beheaded him

6.2 Why Melisandre is supporting Stannis: Best Guess: She thinks she can make him king and through him control all Westeros with her religion?
6.3 The cave: Davos rows Melisandre to acave which is barred part way in by an iron grate, and she births the shadow assassin there. Why did they need that cave?

4.2 Rewatching his scenes would not hurt, and keep watching for a clearer picture.

6.2 WAFO

[amphibian]

Briar King, on 18 September 2015 - 05:23 PM, said:

@ Amp he won't know some of that just watching show.

Doesn't matter. Even reading the books, what I spoke about isn't "in-story explained" or a key plot point.

It's atmosphere and deep background stuff.

[Andorion]

amphibian, on 20 September 2015 - 03:36 PM, said:

Briar King, on 18 September 2015 - 05:23 PM, said:

@ Amp he won't know some of that just watching show.

Doesn't matter. Even reading the books, what I spoke about isn't "in-story explained" or a key plot point.

It's atmosphere and deep background stuff.

Background info always helps. I think there is a book about the world itself? My friend has been pushing it on me and I have been refusing because I typically like that type of info after a series not during unless its critical.

I have seen the next two episodes. New post up soon

[Andorion]

Game ofThrones Season 2 Episodes 7-8



This is going to be a bit of a rant.



Begin Rant

1. Jon Snow and theNightwatch:

A. Snow is an idiot. he has captured Ygritte, but is separated from his group. He has never been this far North, he is effectively lost. Without landmarks and roads he has zero chance of finding so small a group. So what can he do?

He can try to find that cliff fortress from where they started - The Fist of the First Men I think. OR if he has no idea where that is he can try heading South, away from the Wildling HQ.

But no. he will wander in aimless circles, create some of the most cringeworthy scenes and dialogue in the show so far, and then get captured. Awesome.

B. The Nightwatch in general are a very odd bunch of people. They live in and operate in a landscape that is perpetually snow covered. Its white. Its a hostile environment. They are fighting a force who wear white/dirty grey which is excellent camouflage.

How do the Nightwatch respond. They wear black.The single most distinctive colour possible. It makes them stand out on the wall, it makes them stand out in the expedition. The Wildlings can practically blend in with rocks and ice. The Night watch stick out like sore thumbs.


Secondly, In cold weather its ideal to cover the head and ears. This decreases heat loss and helps to keep you warm. The Wildlings seem to understand this and thus their clothes are ideal - eskimo pattern parkas. But not a single Nightwatch member has a hood, or a cowl though these were quite common in medieval societies or even a cap. I don't get this at all.


2. Catelyn Stark: Through what distorted logic did she think letting the Kingslayer go would be a good idea?

I get that she misses her girls, her boys are prisoner, her husband is dead, but how does letting Jaime go solve any of that? Its beyond stupid. Even if the enraged camp killed him, it would mean a powerful player dead. But letting him go to the Lannisters means she loses all leverage. She should have no faith in his honour or Lannister honour in general.

And Sending Breane with him....I am debating whether he is going to kill her, seduce her, or seduce her and then kill her. You can't trust Jaime Lannister. She seems to have forgotten that.


She is way too impulsive

3. Robb: Really minor compared to the others: This Talisa thing is going to end badly. I saw it coming a mile off, very predictable And its going to end badly.

End Rant

4. Theon: Continues to be an ass. He didn't fool me for a second with the bodies. I knew those were from those poor orphans the farmer got from Bran.

He also killed all the Ravens. How is he going to get messages out?

His sister wisely wants to get out of Winterfell because with the primary hostages gone they can't hold it. Theon refuses because......I am not sure. Did he seriously think they could hold it indefinitely?

5. Arya: The Arya Tywin scenes were pure gold. Some of the best I have seen so far. I was willing to bet he knew who she was, he came pretty close, but apparenly not. Also while I applaud her resourcefulness in creating an escape opportunity how do they expect to get away with the Mountain combing the villages and farmland for the Brotherhood?

6. Daenerys: I am not sure what to make of this. Is the sorceror for real? What can she do about it? Her position is very weak. Franklybest bet would be to agree with the big guy, join him, wait for Dragons to get bigger, burn everything to ashes and laugh. Also how is Qarth so insular and yet a centre of trade and commerce?

7. Tyrion: Continues to rock. But how is he going to defend Kings Landing? Joffreys plan of 'wave sword and charge' while removing a serious problem won't win them the battle. He is going to do something with the Wildfire but what? I would have tried to hit the ships. Thats how Greek Fire did the main damage.

8. Sansa and Cersei: As always with Cersei I am not sure what to think. Is she being sincere? Is she manipulating Sansa? I feel for Sansa.She is going through a lot of trauma and is completely alone.

Edit: Pasting from word screwed up the formatting

This post has been edited by Andorion: 21 September 2015 - 06:20 AM

[Gorefest]

Andorion, on 21 September 2015 - 06:12 AM, said:

1. Jon Snow and theNightwatch:

A. Snow is an idiot. he has captured Ygritte, but is separated from his group. He has never been this far North, he is effectively lost. Without landmarks and roads he has zero chance of finding so small a group. So what can he do?
He can try to find that cliff fortress from where they started - The Fist of the First Men I think. OR if he has no idea where that is he can try heading South, away from the Wildling HQ. But no. he will wander in aimless circles, create some of the most cringeworthy scenes and dialogue in the show so far, and then get captured. Awesome.

B. The Nightwatch in general are a very odd bunch of people. They live in and operate in a landscape that is perpetually snow covered. Its white. Its a hostile environment. They are fighting a force who wear white/dirty grey which is excellent camouflage. How do the Nightwatch respond. They wear black.The single most distinctive colour possible. It makes them stand out on the wall, it makes them stand out in the expedition. The Wildlings can practically blend in with rocks and ice. The Night watch stick out like sore thumbs.

Secondly, In cold weather its ideal to cover the head and ears. This decreases heat loss and helps to keep you warm. The Wildlings seem to understand this and thus their clothes are ideal - eskimo pattern parkas. But not a single Nightwatch member has a hood, or a cowl though these were quite common in medieval societies or even a cap. I don't get this at all.

Regarding the black clothing, this could have two reasons.

Firstly, the night's watch was founded during the Long Night when fighting the Others/Walkers, so one would imagine it was quite dark at the time and black, although probably still visible against the snow in an open field, would be great against any other backdrop (forest, or the Wall).

Secondly, black is a very neutral colour so there may be symbolism in it as well. It might be either a juxtaposition to the King's Guard who dress all in white and swear a similar oath (protect the King to the exclusion of all else), or it could simply be to avoid any colour association with any of the Houses.

Also, most of the night's watch normally don't venture out beyond the Wall, it's primarily the Rangers that do this. If you remember the TV series prologue, two of the three rangers were actually wearing headgear. Regarding Jon Snow, I believe it went slightly different in the books, so can't remember exactly what the TV rationale was. I imagine it's just to give the two some private screen time and build up a relationship between the characters.

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2. Catelyn Stark: Through what distorted logic did she think letting the Kingslayer go would be a good idea?

I get that she misses her girls, her boys are prisoner, her husband is dead, but how does letting Jaime go solve any of that? Its beyond stupid. Even if the enraged camp killed him, it would mean a powerful player dead. But letting him go to the Lannisters means she loses all leverage. She should have no faith in his honour or Lannister honour in general.

If anyone in the camp would execute Jaime (which seems a likely event), it would be almost guaranteed that the Lannisters would retaliate by killing Sansa and Arya. It is a desperate attempt of a stressed and emotional mother to save her children, after she has seemingly already lost two of them (Bran and Rickon) and her husband. Sure it is silly, but it is also very human.

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3. Robb: Really minor compared to the others: This Talisa thing is going to end badly. I saw it coming a mile off, very predictable And its going to end badly.

For what it's worth, I never understood the TV show's choice with this tidbit. It's nothing major for the overall storyline, but in the books the story goes slightly different.

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4. Theon: Continues to be an ass. He didn't fool me for a second with the bodies. I knew those were from those poor orphans the farmer got from Bran.

He also killed all the Ravens. How is he going to get messages out?

The ravens are only trained to fly between two designated places. Probably none of the places that they could fly to are of any use to Theon (I can't imagine why they would have a raven that is trained to fly to Pyke), but killing the birds will prevent any guerilla elements left in Winterfell of getting messages out to allies.

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5. Arya: The Arya Tywin scenes were pure gold. Some of the best I have seen so far. I was willing to bet he knew who she was, he came pretty close, but apparenly not. Also while I applaud her resourcefulness in creating an escape opportunity how do they expect to get away with the Mountain combing the villages and farmland for the Brotherhood?

WAFO.

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Also how is Qarth so insular and yet a centre of trade and commerce?

Not sure what you mean by this? How is it insular? It is in a highly central location between the Summer Sea and the Jade Sea.

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[Nevyn]

Gorefest covered it pretty well.

The Wall and the Night's Watch were founded to protect the realm from others, not to fight wildlings beyond the wall. The nature of the work may have changed somewhat as the others have not been seen in so long people wondered if they were myth, and wildlings were raiding, but still. They are also short of men and ill equipped. Covered in more detail in the books, but the best way to be a well armed member of the night's watch is to be a lordling or lord's bastard with his own equipment. Otherwise you take what they give you.

And the watch guard the wall. Normally only the Rangers go out beyond, and they are mainly scouting. And for most of recent times, the wildlings were not any kind of organized group, so what pockets of them you might find out ranging were likely to be ill equipped and ill prepared.



Catelyn's decision is not super logical, but not really a surprise. As far as she knows at that point, husband dead, 2 sons dead, 2 daughters about to die if the Karstarks manage to get Jaime executed. Plus, this is the woman who arrested Tyrion, which really got a lot of this mess started, and did so without a particularly good plan of action.

[Andorion]

Not going to Multiquote to avoid wall of text:

Regarding Watch and Rangers: Ok so give the rangers white equipment. And as for lack of funding it really doesn't cost mcuh to have cloaks with hoods. Speaking from reality here, in my country, the poorer people can often not afford proper winter clothing. But they make a point of getting a muffler or a woolen scarf to wrap around the head and ears. I have come home on winter nights, and seen men with nothing but cotten shirts but woollen mufflers. I think the Watch could afford this.


As for Snow I am getting the sense this is a show plot device?

Catelyn: I was thinking how she arrested Tyrion and kicked things off. She is way too impulsive

Ravens: Are they only trained to shuttle between specific places? Even of they Pyke is the castle of a Lord of one of the great Houses. I would have thought Winterfell would have Ravens for all of those plus the capital and the Wall. Plus there is the fact that Theon was hostage in WInterfell. Did he never write home?
Also does Theon have any alternative comms of his own? I don't think so.

Qarth: The big guy (forgotten name) was telling the rest of Thirteen that to keep Qarths status up they need to be more open, let more people in. I got the sense they are very choosy about that. Which is odd as a great centre of commerce would naturally attract a lot of foreigners.

[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 21 September 2015 - 05:16 PM, said:

Ravens: Are they only trained to shuttle between specific places? Even of they Pyke is the castle of a Lord of one of the great Houses. I would have thought Winterfell would have Ravens for all of those plus the capital and the Wall. Plus there is the fact that Theon was hostage in WInterfell. Did he never write home?

Think it gets tackled in the books somewhere (they say the pigeons only go one place, and very rare ones can go to 2 or something like that), but it also meets what homing pigeons do IRL.

For pigeons they actually get sent caged over land to other places, and they just fly home. So only really 1 way. They seldom go into details but I have always thought of Ravens as the same.

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Also does Theon have any alternative comms of his own? I don't think so.

No

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Qarth: The big guy (forgotten name) was telling the rest of Thirteen that to keep Qarths status up they need to be more open, let more people in. I got the sense they are very choosy about that. Which is odd as a great centre of commerce would naturally attract a lot of foreigners.

Don't remember the text, so I can't comment.

It probably mainly feels isolated because they barely make it there overland. But it is a seaport and that is where there trade comes from.

[Gorefest]

As i mentioned, the rangers do have head covering. They even show it in the tv prologue. So that is a moot point. And why would the rangers wear camouflage per se? Their role at this point in time is mainly diplomatic and strategic; they are not actually attacking any wildlings, just scouting their movements and maintain a visual presence beyond the Wall. If anything, they probably want to be seen by the various tribes roaming beyond the Wall. Don't forget that the wildlings are not their prime targets, and until recently the wildlings weren't organised either so they were no real threat in a military sense.
Regarding Jon Snow and Ygrette, Ygrette is in the books but as far as i can remember they don't end up in isolation for extended periods of time. So i suspect that is just a tv show choice for character building reasons.
And Theon actually does send a raven to his father in Pyke and to his sister in Deepwood Motte. Maybe you just missed it?

[acesn8s]

Ravens are for emergency communications only. Anything larger than a small note will be sent by courier. I'd imagine that when Theon wanted to write home (if he ever did) it could be a larger letter that a Raven couldn't carry.

I think the head covering issue is just because the show didn't want to cover the main actor's heads and faces. As for the black clothes, the Nightwatch are suppose to be immediately identifiable. At this point, almost everyone on the Wall is there instead of being in prison or executed. If they run, the black clothing will immediately identify them as runners, and you remember how Ned dealt with those who forsake their oath.

[Andorion]

I have seen epsiodes 9 and 10. And they prove me right about the Ravens!

Game of Thrones: Season 2: Episodes 9 and 10.

Episode 9.

BEST EPISODE EVER

This episode was mindblowing.

1.Ever since I saw that single solitary ship I was thinking "Fireship! Fireship" And yes, it was pretty much the most incredible fireship ever

2. Considering his relative inexperience and numerical inferiority Tyrion did an incredible job. It was a good plan and it might have worked better if he had gotten more support.

3. That Kingsguard being ordered to kill him in the middle of the battle was a real cheapshot

4. So Littlefinger joined the Tyrells with the Lannisters. Nice comeback and Tywin gets to dominate again.

5. The Hound chose a very bad moment to reveal he is scared of fire. Did he desert?

6. Cersei, Cersei, Cersei.....what an awesome episodes worth of acting... the cynical drunken fatalistic woman once, the sad, hopeless loving mother the next.......Give her all the awards. Seriously though did she win anything for this? Because she deserved it.

7. I must say Bron is eerily competent for a sellsword.

8. Is Davos dead? I liked him.


Episode 10

A great episode and a good finale but a bit anticlimactic after the last one.

Winterfell


1. I was right about the Ravens. Theon had them killed after he figured Maester Luwin would send secret messages, but now he wants to send messages but has no Ravens. Lack of foresight there.

2. I knew Theons speech was going to end badly. His men agreed with me apparently. But this I don't get, how did they escape? Clearly the men Robb sent were beseiging WInterfell but when Bran and Co. come up everything is burnt. I mean the most they could have hoped for would be trade Theon for their freedom. So who looted the castle?

The Watch

3. Regarding the Watch: ok i abandon the Black and white argument, tradition and significance of the black and all that. But these are rangers. Apart from that one guy in the prologue none of the rangers including this bunch at the fist of the first men have head coverings. Come on, its not that difficult or expensive to have a hood. And this was an expeditionary force, intended to venture into the North and investigate the King beyond the Wall. Seems they didn't prepare properly. Incidentally wouldn't it be colder and windier at the top of the Fist than behind it?

4. We finally see the White walkers and they command zombies. Awesome. This just turned into a zombie apocalypse.

Arya

5. Arya and this Valar Morghulis thing will probably be very important later but I am way more impressed with that guys face changing. Magic?

Kings Landing

6. So Tyrion gets no credit, loses position and power but is determined to continue playing.....I await his further exploits.

7. Ok now I am seriously worried about Sansa. Joffrey can lose all restraint and Littlefinger is playing the other angle.

8. A typically vague Stannis-Melisandre line. I have no idea what happened but clearly Stannis is not done yet.

Daenerys

9. Daenerys...best part of the finale. Seems everybody including me underestimated the chicken sized dragons. But if thats what tiny dragons can do, what must be the big ones like? I was so happy to see the Dothraki finally getting to loot something. They were so happy and relieved and they were being so thorough.

BTW did any old WoT readers find any similarities between Danys vision and the Aes Sedai initiation dream?

[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 22 September 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

2. I knew Theons speech was going to end badly. His men agreed with me apparently. But this I don't get, how did they escape? Clearly the men Robb sent were beseiging WInterfell but when Bran and Co. come up everything is burnt. I mean the most they could have hoped for would be trade Theon for their freedom. So who looted the castle?

Who indeed?

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3. Regarding the Watch: ok i abandon the Black and white argument, tradition and significance of the black and all that. But these are rangers. Apart from that one guy in the prologue none of the rangers including this bunch at the fist of the first men have head coverings. Come on, its not that difficult or expensive to have a hood. And this was an expeditionary force, intended to venture into the North and investigate the King beyond the Wall. Seems they didn't prepare properly. Incidentally wouldn't it be colder and windier at the top of the Fist than behind it?

Because, TV

How do you know who is who if they are dressed weather appropriately?

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5. Arya and this Valar Morghulis thing will probably be very important later but I am way more impressed with that guys face changing. Magic?

A man does not give spoilers.

Still think he was working for the Lannisters?

Also there was a passing reference in book 1 you may have missed that may help. Don't remember if it was in the show. Chapter 33.

[acesn8s]

Andorion, on 22 September 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

Daenerys

9. Daenerys...best part of the finale. Seems everybody including me underestimated the chicken sized dragons. But if thats what tiny dragons can do, what must be the big ones like? I was so happy to see the Dothraki finally getting to loot something. They were so happy and relieved and they were being so thorough.

So, the ruined castle where Tywin and Ary were is called Harrenhal. It was the largest castle in Westeros. The books cover what happened to the castle back in the day.

[Andorion]

Nevyn, on 22 September 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

Andorion, on 22 September 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

2. I knew Theons speech was going to end badly. His men agreed with me apparently. But this I don't get, how did they escape? Clearly the men Robb sent were beseiging WInterfell but when Bran and Co. come up everything is burnt. I mean the most they could have hoped for would be trade Theon for their freedom. So who looted the castle?

Who indeed?

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3. Regarding the Watch: ok i abandon the Black and white argument, tradition and significance of the black and all that. But these are rangers. Apart from that one guy in the prologue none of the rangers including this bunch at the fist of the first men have head coverings. Come on, its not that difficult or expensive to have a hood. And this was an expeditionary force, intended to venture into the North and investigate the King beyond the Wall. Seems they didn't prepare properly. Incidentally wouldn't it be colder and windier at the top of the Fist than behind it?

Because, TV

How do you know who is who if they are dressed weather appropriately?

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5. Arya and this Valar Morghulis thing will probably be very important later but I am way more impressed with that guys face changing. Magic?

A man does not give spoilers.

Still think he was working for the Lannisters?

Also there was a passing reference in book 1 you may have missed that may help. Don't remember if it was in the show. Chapter 33.

Ok so he probably conned his way in with his face changing, and wait a second... faceless man..... he is one of those assassins Robert wanted for Dany but Littlefinger said would be too expensive.....got it! Shit he would have been nearly unstoppable! I wonder does he actually shapeshift or is it an illusion? If this was Malazan I would say he is a user of Mockra.

Regarding the Watch: this is why I don't like tv.

So an unnamed new player/party sacked Winterfell? Now I am seriosuly confused.

And is Davos dead? This is important. I liked him a lot.

[Andorion]

acesn8s, on 23 September 2015 - 01:12 AM, said:

Andorion, on 22 September 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

Daenerys

9. Daenerys...best part of the finale. Seems everybody including me underestimated the chicken sized dragons. But if thats what tiny dragons can do, what must be the big ones like? I was so happy to see the Dothraki finally getting to loot something. They were so happy and relieved and they were being so thorough.

So, the ruined castle where Tywin and Ary were is called Harrenhal. It was the largest castle in Westeros. The books cover what happened to the castle back in the day.

Briar King, on 23 September 2015 - 01:46 AM, said:

acesn8s, on 23 September 2015 - 01:12 AM, said:

Andorion, on 22 September 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

Daenerys

9. Daenerys...best part of the finale. Seems everybody including me underestimated the chicken sized dragons. But if thats what tiny dragons can do, what must be the big ones like? I was so happy to see the Dothraki finally getting to loot something. They were so happy and relieved and they were being so thorough.

So, the ruined castle where Tywin and Ary were is called Harrenhal. It was the largest castle in Westeros. The books cover what happened to the castle back in the day.

Yep. It's rather well referenced in books but I can't remember if it was in show.

*sits back and waits to see if Ando picks up bk2 or plays S3 Ep 1.

No no Arya mentioned it in the show.... dragonfire... I must have blanked... ok, so if those dragons become even horse sized lots of people are fucked.

I am going to see season 3. I almost did not come back to season 2 because the books were so much better. I have to see the show first. As it is, generally the quality dropped in season 2. I get the strong urge to skip through Robb parts and Jon parts are very very cringy.

Frankly for me the story is now held up by two peopel: Arya and Tyrion, and to some extent Dany though 80% of her Season 2 storyline was boring.

And the other reason I am still watching the show is the acting. Who plays Cersei? Usually I don't notice/don't care about the actors behind the characters but I am genuinely impressed with the acting of Tywin, Cersei, Tyrion, Jaime and Arya. Arya gets bonus points for being a child actor.

[worry]

Just go ahead and keep watching. At this point, save the books for last, cuz they're quite sumptuous and there's plenty from book 2 on that ain't in the show.

[amphibian]

You are somewhat falling into the valley of liking characters specifically designed for you to like.

Everyone likes Arya and Tyrion. We don't have to go full hipster and trash them, but it's a thing that I resist to some degree in my readings/viewings.

[Andorion]

amphibian, on 23 September 2015 - 02:42 AM, said:

You are somewhat falling into the valley of liking characters specifically designed for you to like.

Everyone likes Arya and Tyrion. We don't have to go full hipster and trash them, but it's a thing that I resist to some degree in my readings/viewings.

What I meant was I like them among the principal PoV characters.

Among others I love Tywin and Cersei. I can't think of anything else when Tywin speaks. He is that magnetic. Awesome voice, great presence....

Cersei.... I don't know how much of what I am seeing syncs with the books but she blows away almost any scene she has, especailly if she is confronting a main character in it.
The scene with her and Tommen on the Iron Throne and the poison... I was getting goosebumps and I was chewing my hand

I love watching Littlefinger and Varys strut their stuff and I always try and see if I can discern anything behind the facade. I thought for a pretty long time that Maester Luwin was one of Varys' little birds.

Dany can be spectacular to watch but she is more inconsistent. She needs a certain setting to really shine.

I might start liking the north again as it seems new characters will be introduced.

[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 23 September 2015 - 02:29 AM, said:

Who plays Cersei?

Lena Headey

She was the wife in 300 among other roles

This post has been edited by Nevyn: 23 September 2015 - 03:59 AM