[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 27 September 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

But Tyrion did get something from that conversation. Tywin gave him better accomodations and promises future posts.

And do you think he would not have provided those things if Tyrion hadn't asked for Casterly Rock?

He was in crappy accomodations because he was unconscious, because a lot of people at King's Landing are not overly fond of him, and because Tywin had no interest beyond that he was alive. He is a king's uncle and the hand's son. If all he asked for was better accommodations he'd get them.

As for the future post, they were future posts to "serve the family" and based on Tyrion's skills. Again, something he likely would get anyway as long as he showed any ambition. He may not have gotten that if he had asked for nothing, but that would only be because Tywin took that to mean he was more interested in drinking and whoring.

[Gorefest]

Andorion, on 27 September 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

The king not having his own army only reinforces my idea that the Tyrells will use their position to increase their influence. Joffrey isn't exactly the sharpest pin. It will beinteresting to see what Cersei and Tywin do in future epsodes. SOmehow I don't think Tywin is very concerned about the Tyrells He seems to be focussed entirely on the Starks.

Not sure where you are going with this line of thought. Of course the Tyrells are trying to increase their influence. It is what every House tries to do. Obviously Tywin is aware of their intentions, but at the moment they are the least of his concerns. The Tyrells are crucial to maintaining the Lannister supremacy. Tywin knows that, despite Tyrell scheming, the Lannisters still hold all the cards. The Tyrells have no legitimate claim on the throne apart from through marriage and subsequent offspring, which is still years away at best. The Lannisters hold all the positions of power. So the focus now is on fighting their enemies, not their allies. The enemies are the Starks and Stannis. The Tyrell 'issue' can wait.

[Andorion]

Season 3 Episodes 2-5

Riverrun

1. The Tullys practice a Viking funeral? Strange.

2. Is Robbs main problem whether to attack Casterly Rock or to go South to Kings Landing?

Theon:

This entire sequence has left me baffled. Why did the boy rescue him, save him, only to imprison him again?


Bran


Enough dreams. I wish his story would go somewhere.


The North


1. What is Mance Rayders strategy? Go South to flee the White Walkers?


2. The Nights Watch are killing themselves. Awesome. I don't know why the Lord Commander tried to defend Caster, He had it coming.


The Lannisters


1. I am not sure what to think of Margerys grandmother. She is entirely too close to Varys for my liking.


2. Why does anybody think Littlefinger has the slightest chance of bringing Lyssa Arynn back? She hates the Lannisters


3. No way is Littlefinger just going to help Sansa and risk his position at Court


4. Tywin threw Tyrion under the bus with that treasurer position.


5. Margery continues to control Joffrey, but now I am very interested in what Tywin will do.


Arya


Very interested to see how the Hound storyline is going to play out.


Jaime and Brienne


This one got dark and complicated fast. I did not see Jaime hand getting cut off coming though I knew something was going to happen.


Dany


I saw this coming! Ever since the translation and insult routine started I was wondering whether Dany actually knew the language and of course she did. Eve since she wanted the entire army I was wondering what her first action would be.


But now that she has a huge army she needs a huge fleet. Plus how is she going to handle logistics and supply?

[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 07 October 2015 - 01:27 AM, said:

This entire sequence has left me baffled. Why did the boy rescue him, save him, only to imprison him again?

Some people have a cruel sense of humor

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2. Why does anybody think Littlefinger has the slightest chance of bringing Lyssa Arynn back? She hates the Lannisters

But does she hate Littlefinger? She grew up with him at river run.

[Andorion]

Nevyn, on 07 October 2015 - 05:27 AM, said:

Andorion, on 07 October 2015 - 01:27 AM, said:

This entire sequence has left me baffled. Why did the boy rescue him, save him, only to imprison him again?

Some people have a cruel sense of humor

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2. Why does anybody think Littlefinger has the slightest chance of bringing Lyssa Arynn back? She hates the Lannisters

But does she hate Littlefinger? She grew up with him at river run.

The people the boy killed to 'save' theon, they were from the same faction?

Neither Katelyn nor the Blackfish could persuade Lyssa to take any pro-active steps. She absolutely refused to let her soldiers out of the Vale. Littlefinger represents the Lannisters. I really don't see this being straightforward

[acesn8s]

Andorion, on 07 October 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

Nevyn, on 07 October 2015 - 05:27 AM, said:

Andorion, on 07 October 2015 - 01:27 AM, said:

This entire sequence has left me baffled. Why did the boy rescue him, save him, only to imprison him again?

Some people have a cruel sense of humor

Quote

2. Why does anybody think Littlefinger has the slightest chance of bringing Lyssa Arynn back? She hates the Lannisters

But does she hate Littlefinger? She grew up with him at river run.

The people the boy killed to 'save' theon, they were from the same faction?

Neither Katelyn nor the Blackfish could persuade Lyssa to take any pro-active steps. She absolutely refused to let her soldiers out of the Vale. Littlefinger represents the Lannisters. I really don't see this being straightforward

Lyssa was more than friendly with Petyr growning up, even though all he wanted was Catelyn. In the past, did you pick up on how he would tell Sansa how much she looked/reminded him of her mother (yick!).

[Andorion]

acesn8s, on 07 October 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

Andorion, on 07 October 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

Nevyn, on 07 October 2015 - 05:27 AM, said:

Andorion, on 07 October 2015 - 01:27 AM, said:

This entire sequence has left me baffled. Why did the boy rescue him, save him, only to imprison him again?

Some people have a cruel sense of humor

Quote

2. Why does anybody think Littlefinger has the slightest chance of bringing Lyssa Arynn back? She hates the Lannisters

But does she hate Littlefinger? She grew up with him at river run.

The people the boy killed to 'save' theon, they were from the same faction?

Neither Katelyn nor the Blackfish could persuade Lyssa to take any pro-active steps. She absolutely refused to let her soldiers out of the Vale. Littlefinger represents the Lannisters. I really don't see this being straightforward

Lyssa was more than friendly with Petyr growning up, even though all he wanted was Catelyn. In the past, did you pick up on how he would tell Sansa how much she looked/reminded him of her mother (yick!).

Littlefingers more than creepy and extremely competent at what he does, but its going to take a lot to overcome the wide-eyed insane paranoia I saw in Season 1

[acesn8s]

Andorion, on 07 October 2015 - 01:42 PM, said:

acesn8s, on 07 October 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

Andorion, on 07 October 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

Nevyn, on 07 October 2015 - 05:27 AM, said:

Andorion, on 07 October 2015 - 01:27 AM, said:

This entire sequence has left me baffled. Why did the boy rescue him, save him, only to imprison him again?

Some people have a cruel sense of humor

Quote

2. Why does anybody think Littlefinger has the slightest chance of bringing Lyssa Arynn back? She hates the Lannisters

But does she hate Littlefinger? She grew up with him at river run.

The people the boy killed to 'save' theon, they were from the same faction?

Neither Katelyn nor the Blackfish could persuade Lyssa to take any pro-active steps. She absolutely refused to let her soldiers out of the Vale. Littlefinger represents the Lannisters. I really don't see this being straightforward

Lyssa was more than friendly with Petyr growning up, even though all he wanted was Catelyn. In the past, did you pick up on how he would tell Sansa how much she looked/reminded him of her mother (yick!).

Littlefingers more than creepy and extremely competent at what he does, but its going to take a lot to overcome the wide-eyed insane paranoia I saw in Season 1

Don't hate the Playa, son...

[Nevyn]

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Littlefingers more than creepy and extremely competent at what he does, but its going to take a lot to overcome the wide-eyed insane paranoia I saw in Season 1

From here on it is WAFO on this topic.

[Nevyn]

Briar King, on 07 October 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

Petyr is one of those characters that while still entertaining to watch he is diminished somewhat from his bk counterpart

I don't know that I agree with that.

[Nevyn]

Briar King, on 07 October 2015 - 08:40 PM, said:

And that's your right. I'm feel he s still entertaining to watch but bk Petyr is much clearer defined(as are Most). I'm sure you understand what I'm saying.

I do. For just about all characters you get a fuller picture in the books and some more detail.

But for me, Petyr is one of the characters who translates the best to TV, partly because of Aiden Gillen's brilliant impishness. He is more of a mystery, but is a compelling to watch one.

[amphibian]

Nevyn, on 07 October 2015 - 09:04 PM, said:

Briar King, on 07 October 2015 - 08:40 PM, said:

And that's your right. I'm feel he s still entertaining to watch but bk Petyr is much clearer defined(as are Most). I'm sure you understand what I'm saying.

I do. For just about all characters you get a fuller picture in the books and some more detail.

But for me, Petyr is one of the characters who translates the best to TV, partly because of Aiden Gillen's brilliant impishness. He is more of a mystery, but is a compelling to watch one.

Great point. Gillen is a magnet on the screen - much like Charles Dance as Tywin - and in the books, Baelish kinda fades out into the background when he's not talking to someone directly.

[worry]

Gillen is great, but the tradeoff has been giving him more screen time includes show-Petyr being a little bit too on the nose. For instance his early confrontation w/ Cersei where they go back and forth...pretty great oneupsmanship and thrilling to watch, but he'd never lay his cards out on the table like that in the books. There's just that extra dash of mustache-twirling in his opportunism. But yah it's extremely well-played.

[Andorion]

Season 3, Episode 5

Rob

His ship is sinking below him and he knows it. I really don't see how this alliance with Frey is going to work out. What fresh deal is he willing to cut?

Jaime

Very interesting story from Jaime to Brienne, but I have a problem. The story makes Jaime look like a martyred hero. I distrust sudden plot devices that effect such a character turnaround especially when we only have his word for it and it is so convenient with regard to Brienne.

Bolton is playing a game of his own. Rob's future does not look very bright.

Arya


So Beric Dondarion has been resurrected three times. The Lord of Light must really like him.

This is the second time trial by combat has backfired. Looks like the Hound managed to fight through his pyrophobia. How did he cut Dondarions sword though?

Arya and Gendry - so sad. "I would have been your family"

Stannis

After this episode I can relate to Stannis better. His family seems broken. How did his daughter get burnt? And his wife does not seem entirely sane. Stannis is a man surrounded by fanatics but his own values and there too. I could finally see that

His daughter is so sweet. I hope she and Davos get more plot time.

Kings Landing


The Lannister counter plot lands, Tyrion and Sansa, Loras and Cersei. Tywin sure can piss off his kids. I wonder though, what measures is he taking to counter eventual Tyrell opposition to his plans? Because that grandmother is no pushover.

Actually I wouldn't mind if Tyrion married Sansa. Sansa would hate it, being a romantic and thinking of flowery princes. But Tyrion would not hurt her.

Jon

So Jon finally gets into bed. Good. Now if he could start being interesting instead of constipated I would be very happy

Dany

Little bit of an alpha male contest between Barristan and Jorah. Dany has the loyalty of her soldiers.

I am now worried about Dany. She is now the most powerful she has ever been. I think a fall maybe coming.

Given her role I would have wanted a more powerful actress for Dany.

This post has been edited by Andorion: 08 October 2015 - 04:00 AM

[Andorion]

Briar King, on 08 October 2015 - 04:18 AM, said:

She's not burnt. She had Greyscale when she was younger and it scars like Pox does basically.

So its like a disease? Is that why Stannis keeps her isolated in that room?

[amphibian]

Andorion, on 08 October 2015 - 05:10 AM, said:

Briar King, on 08 October 2015 - 04:18 AM, said:

She's not burnt. She had Greyscale when she was younger and it scars like Pox does basically.

So its like a disease? Is that why Stannis keeps her isolated in that room?

It's like leprosy here in the real world. Nobody there is sure of the causes or how it can be cured. Maesters are working on it and there is a widely spread cultural horror of the disease.

So yes, that is exactly why Stannis keeps her isolated.

The Jaime/Brienne story in the hot tub is a delicious piece of storytelling. The way Jaime tells it could absolutely be true. Or he could be letting a little manipulation fall into the telling. Brienne knows both and yet... Nikolaj Coster-Waldau sells the lines so hard that it's almost heart-breaking to think Jaime could be lying, which Gwendolyn Christie also absolutely nails the presentation of.

To me, that hot tub story was a series highlight because it is so well done by the director, actors, and editors.

Dondarrion's sword is a regular sword that's set alight by his magic. No more. Swords can break.

[Andorion]

amphibian, on 08 October 2015 - 06:12 AM, said:

Andorion, on 08 October 2015 - 05:10 AM, said:

Briar King, on 08 October 2015 - 04:18 AM, said:

She's not burnt. She had Greyscale when she was younger and it scars like Pox does basically.

So its like a disease? Is that why Stannis keeps her isolated in that room?

It's like leprosy here in the real world. Nobody there is sure of the causes or how it can be cured. Maesters are working on it and there is a widely spread cultural horror of the disease.

So yes, that is exactly why Stannis keeps her isolated.

The Jaime/Brienne story in the hot tub is a delicious piece of storytelling. The way Jaime tells it could absolutely be true. Or he could be letting a little manipulation fall into the telling. Brienne knows both and yet... Nikolaj Coster-Waldau sells the lines so hard that it's almost heart-breaking to think Jaime could be lying, which Gwendolyn Christie also absolutely nails the presentation of.

To me, that hot tub story was a series highlight because it is so well done by the director, actors, and editors.

Dondarrion's sword is a regular sword that's set alight by his magic. No more. Swords can break.

Whether Jaime was lying or not,either way its awesome. If he was lying he is a very very accomplished manipulator.

If he was not, then damn that changes a lot of his character perception.

Either way the acting was awesome

[End of Disc One]

All this talk of Aiden Gillen; I think he's one of the more disappointing portrayals in the show. Littlefinger is one of my favorite characters in the books, and I was so excited to see Aiden play him. I prefer the smaller, more flamboyant, and deceptively dangerous version in the books.

[amphibian]

I think the seduction of Lyssa makes more sense on the show as he's hot, really charismatic and comes off like he can make a person feel exactly as he wants.

[Andorion]

Season 3, Episodes 6 and 7.

I'll be honest. The only things keeping me watching are the Lannisters. Every scene with them is pure gold. The rest - Arya and Dany are interesting and Dany is always good for a surprise but Robb or Jon or Bran simply don't hold my attention any more. BOth of these episodes had 10-20 minutes of the most utterly boring stuff

The North

The point behind this entire "Take Castle Black" escapes me. Let us assume that they succeed. The only thing they accomplish is unhindered passage for the Wild-lings to the South. The ice zombies are coming. Running way will just delay the inevitable.

Bran

Nothing happens except some bickering

Arya

I wonder whether Melisandre will do a blood sacrifice with Gendry, imprison him for his blood, or just have sex with him? With her anything is possible.

Question: The Hound was hiding around and he grabs Arya. But the Brotherhood maintains a very strict watch and recon patrols. How come they didn't spot him?

Jaime:

Jaime does some cool stuff, rescues Brienne from the bear. I hope Brienne doesn't turn into a DiD now. I liked her better as a badass knight who took no shit .

I think there is going to be some Lannister-debt paying with Mr, Handchopper (Lock?)

Theon

I get that they are trying to break Theon mentally as well as physically but why?

Dany

I wonder if Dany's gamble is going to pay off. If that city fights things might be tougher than she thinks.

Also her slave-freeing quest is quixotic. As soon as her back is turned those people will be enslaved again.

Robb

I doubt whether Frey is going to be as compromising or accomodating as Robb and Co. think

Kings Landing


Tywin vs Tyrell grandmother: Pure gold
Tywin vs Joffrey: Hilarious gold "We could arrange to have you carried" "You are being counselled now"
Tyrion and Che: Funny/sad/awesome
Littlefinger vs Varys: I wonder if Varys will act directly against Littlefinger in the future

Sansa on the other hand is annoying me. Maybe because she is no longer in any real danger from Joffrey?