[Tiste Simeon]

So we've finished Falcon and the Winter Soldier and that was great, the monologue by Sam at the end was phenomenal. Outstanding character for me was Daniel Brühl who was just brilliant.

Currently 4/6 episodes into Loki and I think this is probably the best of the the Marvel shows. The episode on that dying planet was top quality TV.

[JPK]

Briar King, on 26 July 2021 - 09:15 PM, said:

Finished Loki S1

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nope nope nope.

I figured I should just suck it up or I’d never finish so I watched 3.5 episodes today. I’m unsure if this takes top spot on my least favorite list of MCU() but I don’t actually know what my least favorite is…toss up between Endgame and latest Spidey. I hate that I’m on such rocky ground with franchise atm but I definitely am. I’m going to be in trouble if this multi verse dominates next Phase. Yawn. My brain just shuts down with it/time travel 90% of the time.

It’s all a “It’s not you, it’s me.” lately.

As long as you realize it's actually you.

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And yeah, I expect the multiverse stuff to be heavily involved in this arc and frankly the entire future of the MCU. Look at how heavily the multiverse in involved in the comics after all. If you're not liking this now, you might just want to save yourself some time and bail out now.

This post has been edited by JPK: 26 July 2021 - 11:03 PM

[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 27 July 2021 - 02:06 AM, said:

Not gonna bail. Like I said I want to like it. I may just be in for a slow annoying phase. It’s not impossible for me to enjoy Loki info:

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multi verse stories as I love Jet Li’s The One but they didn’t do the eyebrow raising stuff of changing sex, race or species. Idk maybe they explain this part and I was just on autopilot glazing over it. Will have to rewatch at some point down the road which I try to do on the ones I’ve not been over the moon about hoping it changes.

Bolded part is 100% from existing comics. All of it AFAIK. Also not sure why it's an issue if it's from all different realities?

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 27 July 2021 - 12:27 PM

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Briar King, on 27 July 2021 - 03:09 PM, said:

I was an X-Men/Excalibur reader.

Just my take

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multiverse should be all me etc. We shouldn’t all be the same but we should? We will all look alike but you expect to run into a you that’s been disfigured or gained/lost weight but barring scars all the same face. If we gain a vag or change skin tone or sprout scales it’s not us. It’s someone else with different parents.

Which ep is it explained in? I’d like to rewatch it.

But I mean think about it, but for a slightly different chromosome makeup and luck of the draw at conception, you'd be a girl. So it's not hard to see that angle in a multiverse as, someone was born a girl instead of a boy in another reality from the same parents, or has one different parent, or any number of small differences. The multiverse is literally a bunch of branches of "What if" where different decisions lead to different outcomes. That can happen at the micro-level with chromosomes.

They don't really explain it on the show in any significant way, they just expect that the multiverse is a branched reality with a tonne of different outcomes.

So like in the forthcoming WHAT IF? show for example...Yondu kidnaps T'Challa from Wakanda instead of Peter Quill from Cleveland, and T'Challa becomes Starlord in the GOTG instead of Peter. All of which stems from some small decision Yondu and the Ravagers made as to where they landed on Earth.

[Macros]

I figured the alligator was a lark by the writers, the rest yeah, maybe your folks were facing north instead of South when doing the do and you came out a lady

[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 27 July 2021 - 04:13 PM, said:

Yeah but you’d be your sister and not really you. You wouldn’t exist.

Huh? No. Let's say you have a sister...you'd still be you, but would be a girl and your sister would have a sister instead of a brother. It's still you at the genetic level. All that's different is that you have that Y Chromosome instead of the double XX.

[Macros]

the idea is the slightest change changes a persons story and life path as far as I can see it.

if you were by nature because of your parents an evil bastard for example. you'd be an evil bastard regardless of gender. pretend you're setting up a DnD character, where the rolls are the same but the appearance changes.

[Tiste Simeon]

Finished Loki. Not so in sync with the comics and general MCU knowledge so I may have missed a couple of bits... I'll spoiler it from here.

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Someone upthread mentioned Kang, was that the guy who was at the citadel at the end of time? I've heard of him though have no knowledge.

I take it Sylvie sent Loki to the wrong universe or did the changes wipe a significant part of collective memory out? If so why does Loki remember what's happening. And why was Mobius happy to let it go nuts at the end if he doesn't remember what's happened or who Loki is?

No issues whatsoever with there being a female/crocodile/multiple other Loki's that's just basic multiverse theory.

Otherwise, what a superb show. All three have been utterly outstanding.

[Macros]

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I'm going to say that it never happens. he is destined to never be happy, always be alone. His one friend was Morbius, thats gone too

in my opinion anyway

[D'rek]

I'm aware that I'm completely overthinking this far more than the writers did, but... why does the TVA bring in variants for judgment anyway?

There's one "sacred timeline". Sometimes something weird happens and the timeline branches. The TVA thinks that's bad, so they teleport to that branched timeline, drop the little reset bomb, and teleport out. The reset bomb goes off and destroys the branch, restoring things back to one single sacred timeline.

Isn't everyone in that whole timeline branch a variant? And the reset bomb prunes all of them, so what's the point of bringing one particular person back to the court rather than just leave them in that timeline branch to be pruned by the reset bomb like everyone else?

Macros, on 27 July 2021 - 08:28 PM, said:

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I'm going to say that it never happens. he is destined to never be happy, always be alone. His one friend was Morbius, thats gone too

in my opinion anyway

They never did anything with the jetski bit, so I would bet Loki brings that up and befriends him all over again based on that.

Anyhoo, I'm done now and as for me personally Loki was probably my least favourite Marvel anything. I found it very boring and uninspired.

[Malankazooie]

huh, well I'll be damned, Scarlett Johansson is suing Disney. Didn't read the details, but thought I saw something about it has something to do with releasing Black Widow to streaming and theaters at the same time. Fascinating.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Malankazooie, on 29 July 2021 - 11:37 PM, said:

huh, well I'll be damned, Scarlett Johansson is suing Disney. Didn't read the details, but thought I saw something about it has something to do with releasing Black Widow to streaming and theaters at the same time. Fascinating.

'The suit alleges that Johansson agreed that her salary for the film would be based, in large part, on the film's box office haul.


"To maximize these receipts, and thereby protect her financial interests, Ms. Johansson extracted a promise from Marvel that the release of the picture would be a 'theatrical release,'"


https://www.cnn.com/...suit/index.html

[Macros]

Just give her a cut of Disney premium money
Solved

[Malankazooie]

Seems like there is momentum building and this could be a trend - Emma Stone could be suing Disney over Cruella.

I hope more will follow and the floodgates open because I loathe Disney for a lot of their bullshit, but lets be honest, Disney could rummage under the driver's side car seat, or under the sofa cushion, and find more than enough chump change to settle any of these lawsuits.

[Cause]

Malankazooie, on 30 July 2021 - 06:59 PM, said:

Seems like there is momentum building and this could be a trend - Emma Stone could be suing Disney over Cruella.

I hope more will follow and the floodgates open because I loathe Disney for a lot of their bullshit, but lets be honest, Disney could rummage under the driver's side car seat, or under the sofa cushion, and find more than enough chump change to settle any of these lawsuits.

Not sure this counts as Disney evil. Disney letting us watch these shows at home during a pandemic was good for the customer. The box office of black widow crashing has many reasons one of which is definitely covid. Yes watching on Disney plus and piracy are two others for sure.

I’m sure they can figure something out.

[amphibian]

Cause, on 01 August 2021 - 07:04 PM, said:

Malankazooie, on 30 July 2021 - 06:59 PM, said:

Seems like there is momentum building and this could be a trend - Emma Stone could be suing Disney over Cruella.

I hope more will follow and the floodgates open because I loathe Disney for a lot of their bullshit, but lets be honest, Disney could rummage under the driver's side car seat, or under the sofa cushion, and find more than enough chump change to settle any of these lawsuits.

Not sure this counts as Disney evil. Disney letting us watch these shows at home during a pandemic was good for the customer. The box office of black widow crashing has many reasons one of which is definitely covid. Yes watching on Disney plus and piracy are two others for sure.

I’m sure they can figure something out.

The contracts negotiated meant that Johansson would get paid in relation to how much the movie theater revenue was. They did not deal extensively with streaming - which means the company has actual incentive to cut her out to a degree, push this on streaming as much as possible, and make more money than the original intent was - while she makes less money.

Suing is a logical and probably safe thing to do - and a star like Johansson doing it means that others like Emma Stone or Gerard Butler can sue to address their screwovers. This has industry wide consequences.

A "good" company would have renegotiated the original contract to include streaming, but they didn't. The movie stars don't really have the power to initiate major revisions or to predict a pandemic when they engage in the work three years ago and don't have the institutional power that Marvel/Disney does.

Don't carry water for the mega corps. They don't need the help and make it hard for us to carry our own water.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Cause, on 01 August 2021 - 07:04 PM, said:

Malankazooie, on 30 July 2021 - 06:59 PM, said:

Seems like there is momentum building and this could be a trend - Emma Stone could be suing Disney over Cruella.

I hope more will follow and the floodgates open because I loathe Disney for a lot of their bullshit, but lets be honest, Disney could rummage under the driver's side car seat, or under the sofa cushion, and find more than enough chump change to settle any of these lawsuits.

Not sure this counts as Disney evil. Disney letting us watch these shows at home during a pandemic was good for the customer. The box office of black widow crashing has many reasons one of which is definitely covid. Yes watching on Disney plus and piracy are two others for sure.

I'm sure they can figure something out.

In terms of Good and Evil---no one should be paid that much for acting. (If that's not already in the Bible it should be scribbled in.) Especially not an actor who made me think she was intelligent, or at least willing to minimally educate herself, only to prove terribly otherwise (in choosing to do that movie which falsely claimed 'you only use 10% of your brain', among other things).

Suppose Disney said they were going to stiff all their rich actors and other rich employees who they don't deem virtuous enough to competently reinvest the money, and instead donate what they agreed to pay them to charity. Would that be for the Greater Good? Well, maybe.

But they'd still be breaking a contractual agreement, as they seem to be in this case. It's not like they're 'virtuously' distributing it for 'free' (not even as an ad for their paid service, or supported by ads). Since SJ is out of the Marvel franchise, if the allegations are true they're essentially stiffing her to keep more money for themselves. Vast majority of Earth religions and moralities would consider that Evil (unless done by the religious leaders...). But in the modern world, we should really move beyond 'Morality', to ethics... and from an ethical standpoint hell no they shouldn't be allowed to get away with this. It's egregious corporate malfeasance.

[Edit: I was wrong about Disney+ not being cheaper than seeing it in the theater, assuming they allow one month subscriptions. Apparently about $1.16 cheaper on average.]

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 02 August 2021 - 12:44 AM

[amphibian]

One of the reasons why this Johansson lawsuit has industry wide effects is because the streaming platforms have been reluctant to pay residuals into unions for the non-megastars - including IATSE's healthcare and pension, which is making life for the lowest levels and most precarious film industry workers more unstable than ever.

The unions have not managed to push onto the streaming platforms the same agreements that allowed so many to survive in the increasingly more expensive movie industry/LA area and that battle is ongoing.

[Malankazooie]

So I read some early reactions to What If...? and it's supposed to be jahmazeballs.

Is this show going to drop all at once? Or are they going to release episodes weekly?

[Aptorian]

Finished Loki.

Meh.

1-2 episodes were cool. Great set-up.

3-4 episodes were terrible garbage with awful CGI.

Episode 5 was awesome if preposterous.

Episode 6 was stupid bullshit and if that is their setup for the Next Big Bad they fucked it all up.

They somehow managed to make me think even less of Loki by the end of the show than I did at the start.

One thing I will say is that is that it gave me an urge to go look up a certain time traveling villain in Marvel Unlimited.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 03 August 2021 - 03:49 PM