[Bulwyf]

QuickTidal, on 06 November 2015 - 01:37 AM, said:

Voiced by only.

The actor playing him is yet to be announced...and the newest shot of him makes me think he's

Spoiler

Earth 2 Henry Allen gone insane.

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hmmmm, maybe that's why they took him out of jail, so his earth 2 counterpart kills him like they've all been doing. And since he's not in prison and kind of in hiding/doing his own thing off screen Barry won't find out about it right away

[QuickTidal]

Bulwyf, on 06 November 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 06 November 2015 - 01:37 AM, said:

Voiced by only.

The actor playing him is yet to be announced...and the newest shot of him makes me think he's

Spoiler

Earth 2 Henry Allen gone insane.

Spoiler

hmmmm, maybe that's why they took him out of jail, so his earth 2 counterpart kills him like they've all been doing. And since he's not in prison and kind of in hiding/doing his own thing off screen Barry won't find out about it right away

Spoiler

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking...and would explain Henry's abrupt-like departure after he was released from jail. Makes more sense than not...but the biggest reason I think that...

This picture...If those aren't John Wesley Shipp's eyes, I'll eat my hat

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[Coco with marshmallows]

Binder of Demons, on 05 November 2015 - 11:36 PM, said:

My only real gripe with last night's episode was that Tom Cavanaugh was overdoing it with the Christian Bale effect in his delivery as Harrison Wells. Just speak normally. Ok, maybe it wasn't full Bale, but trying too hard with the gravelly voice. Found it annoying. But apart from that, great stuff all round.

My guess? - he's deliberately making it different as this is the first time (apart from a brief flashback) that he's actually played Wells.

Before he was Eobard being Wells, and Tom strikes me as the type of actor who would seek to differentiate the portrayals somewhat.

[Bulwyf]

QuickTidal, on 06 November 2015 - 02:11 PM, said:

Bulwyf, on 06 November 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 06 November 2015 - 01:37 AM, said:

Voiced by only.

The actor playing him is yet to be announced...and the newest shot of him makes me think he's

Spoiler

Earth 2 Henry Allen gone insane.

Spoiler

hmmmm, maybe that's why they took him out of jail, so his earth 2 counterpart kills him like they've all been doing. And since he's not in prison and kind of in hiding/doing his own thing off screen Barry won't find out about it right away

Spoiler

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking...and would explain Henry's abrupt-like departure after he was released from jail. Makes more sense than not...but the biggest reason I think that...

This picture...If those aren't John Wesley Shipp's eyes, I'll eat my hat

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Number of downloads: 0

So I just watched this week's episode last night, and to go along w/ your theory:

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When Barry was fighting Zoom, I noticed their costumes were similar, and the logo/ensignia looked identical. Then it dawned on me too that earlier in the episode there was a news story in the background that Oliver wasn't Green Arrow, his father was. Maybe some kind of foreshadowing a similar situation with Earth 2 Flashes (even though there's Garret who took the name Flash, he's not truly Barry's counterpart, which explains him being slower etc as well).

I never really read much DC in my youth, mostly Marvel then Image, so I don't know if any of that is already explained/disproven. Do comic readers already know who Zoom is (if so please don't say because I'll probably read the spoiler anyways ^^ ) and is that Arrow situation f/ the comics too?

[QuickTidal]

Bulwyf, on 12 November 2015 - 01:47 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 06 November 2015 - 02:11 PM, said:

Bulwyf, on 06 November 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 06 November 2015 - 01:37 AM, said:

Voiced by only.

The actor playing him is yet to be announced...and the newest shot of him makes me think he's

Spoiler

Earth 2 Henry Allen gone insane.

Spoiler

hmmmm, maybe that's why they took him out of jail, so his earth 2 counterpart kills him like they've all been doing. And since he's not in prison and kind of in hiding/doing his own thing off screen Barry won't find out about it right away

Spoiler

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking...and would explain Henry's abrupt-like departure after he was released from jail. Makes more sense than not...but the biggest reason I think that...

This picture...If those aren't John Wesley Shipp's eyes, I'll eat my hat

 the-flash-zoom-3-600x401.jpg (52.54K)
Number of downloads: 0

So I just watched this week's episode last night, and to go along w/ your theory:

Spoiler

When Barry was fighting Zoom, I noticed their costumes were similar, and the logo/ensignia looked identical. Then it dawned on me too that earlier in the episode there was a news story in the background that Oliver wasn't Green Arrow, his father was. Maybe some kind of foreshadowing a similar situation with Earth 2 Flashes (even though there's Garret who took the name Flash, he's not truly Barry's counterpart, which explains him being slower etc as well).

I never really read much DC in my youth, mostly Marvel then Image, so I don't know if any of that is already explained/disproven. Do comic readers already know who Zoom is (if so please don't say because I'll probably read the spoiler anyways ^^ ) and is that Arrow situation f/ the comics too?

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Indeed, if it IS John Wesley Shipp in the Zoom role...then it could very well be Earth 2 Barry Allen played by him...which would be interesting.

I think I can safely let you know that the person who is traditionally Zoom in the comics is not who he will be in the show.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

Regardless of who he is, Zoom is straight up creepy and inhuman. Props to the SFX and costume design team. Everything about him - from his mouth to his eyes to the jerky way he moves - screams terror.

[Bulwyf]

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 12 November 2015 - 03:24 PM, said:

Regardless of who he is, Zoom is straight up creepy and inhuman. Props to the SFX and costume design team. Everything about him - from his mouth to his eyes to the jerky way he moves - screams terror.

Agreed, awesome job, even the Candyman voice!

[Serenity]

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 12 November 2015 - 03:24 PM, said:

Regardless of who he is, Zoom is straight up creepy and inhuman. Props to the SFX and costume design team. Everything about him - from his mouth to his eyes to the jerky way he moves - screams terror.

Yeah, it's really well done. I really didn't see the last few mins of this week's episode playing out quite how they did. Made Reverse Flash look like an amateur.

[Primateus]

So, it would appear that

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Hawkgirl

will make an appearance at some point. That certainly sounds awesome!

[Binder of Demons]

Primateus, on 18 November 2015 - 08:10 PM, said:

So, it would appear that

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Hawkgirl

will make an appearance at some point. That certainly sounds awesome!

Yeah, that just leaves Hawkman, and Rip Hunter to make an appearance, and they can bring together all the members of the team to launch LEGENDS OF TOMORROW.

[QuickTidal]

Wife was away for 8 days so I was not allowed to watch any of our shows...including this one...so now she's back we are blitzing through and I can finally comment on the last two weeks of eps.

Zoom was incredible. VERY scary. VERY powerful. Just all around great.

Though (spoiler for who I think Zoom is, don't click if you wanna wait cause I'm pretty sure this is who it is)

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Henry showing back up in the Grodd episode was timely and everything he did in that episode SMACKS of him being Zoom. Even my wife, who I shared my theory with, was like "Oh man...you can TELL he's bad" that it's not actually Barry's Earth 1 dad....which means that Earth 2 Henry (he may also be Barry on his earth...a Flash gone bad?) has been in place since BEFORE the beginning of the season and Zoom was the guy at the "Henry gets out of Jail party"...which would be insane. His dialogue was very UNLIKE the Henry from S1 and much creepier to me.

Grodd ep ends perfectly with the place he goes. VERY much the comics growth of that character. I fully expect the Grodd ape society to show up down the line.

It was clever that they made Caitlin into Faye Wray from King Kong, outfit and all...

And Cisco was awesome as per usual.

Looking forward to the crossover eps with ARROW and the intro of the rest of the LEGENDS cast.

Oh, and is it me or does Barry have a THOUSAND times more chemistry with Patty than he ever had with Iris? Like their relationship just feels much more real.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

Patty is just too damn cute!

This post has been edited by Whisperzzzzzzz: 20 November 2015 - 03:12 PM

[Primateus]

Patty actually seems more natural and real than Iris ever did, at least to me. Patton is a good enough actress, it's not that, it's simply what she has been given to work with.

VanSanten's advantage is that she has actually been given a more interesting character.

[QuickTidal]

Primateus, on 20 November 2015 - 06:36 PM, said:

Patty actually seems more natural and real than Iris ever did, at least to me. Patton is a good enough actress, it's not that, it's simply what she has been given to work with.

VanSanten's advantage is that she has actually been given a more interesting character.

I think that's true. Even in the most recent ep I thought to myself "What's Iris doing again?"

At least Patty is interesting.

[Primateus]

QuickTidal, on 20 November 2015 - 06:44 PM, said:

Primateus, on 20 November 2015 - 06:36 PM, said:

Patty actually seems more natural and real than Iris ever did, at least to me. Patton is a good enough actress, it's not that, it's simply what she has been given to work with.

VanSanten's advantage is that she has actually been given a more interesting character.

I think that's true. Even in the most recent ep I thought to myself "What's Iris doing again?"

At least Patty is interesting.

Well, she certainly seems more interesting so far. But in Iris' defense, Patty IS new and not burdened with a rather pathetic love story and a downright immature and childish temper tantrum (couples tell eachother EVERYTHING!).

[QuickTidal]

This years FLASH/ARROW crossover (Part 1 anyways) was excellent. It's rode the line between Flash's current storyline, Arrow's current storyline, and braining LEGENDS OF TOMORROW into the fold as well. For only a 45 minute episode that was some great writing to include all that and make it compelling.

Vandal Savage was WELL realized. He's powerful, and no nonsense...and setting up an nigh unstoppable villain for the new spinoff series here was a great idea!

Other things I like in point form:

- Cisco getting saved and immediately saying "Thanks Barry!" in front of Kendra, only to have Barry give him a withering stare and say "Come on, man!" LMAO

- Cisco (as per usual had the plum lines) "When did our lives turn into an Indian Jones movie?"

- Kendra's turn to HG was nicely realized. Not entirely sure I like Carter Hall's portrayal though (The actor, not the character). Kendra and Cisco being cute and date-like at the beginning, and her being forced to abandon that was heartbreaking.

- Loved the banter between Barry and Oliver throughout. The twinning of "It's YOUR city!" in each place was funny.

- Glad I don't watch ARROW much since I can't buy the Ollie/Felicity relationship. It just feels wrong on so many levels.

- Had no idea that Barrowman had taken the lead of the League Of Shadows....cool!

- Don't watch ARROW, but STILL have a bit of a crush on Thea it turns out.

- Anyone else notice that like last year they crisscrossed the Flash theme and the Arrow theme...but added (what I assume is) the League of Tomorrow theme? And once again, it's stellar, swelling, heroic music.

All in all a great first part of the crossover. Looking forward to tonight and part 2 on ARROW.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 02 December 2015 - 02:28 PM

[Bulwyf]

I still watch both Arrow and Flash. Seems I really only enjoy Flash though, and I'm just kind of powering through Arrow to keep current.
Most/all the characters in Arrow pretty much annoy me now.

[Primateus]

Bulwyf, on 02 December 2015 - 07:51 PM, said:

I still watch both Arrow and Flash. Seems I really only enjoy Flash though, and I'm just kind of powering through Arrow to keep current.
Most/all the characters in Arrow pretty much annoy me now.

Yeah...I kinda feel the same way. It started out great, continued in great fashion with Deathstroke and then just kinda went downhill from there.

[Binder of Demons]

Have to agree with you guys. Still really enjoying The Flash, but Arrow has become a bit of a chore over the last season or so. I pretty much fastforward any dialogue between Oliver and Felicity, most things involving Laurel, and even some of Oliver and Diggle. There's not much left to be honest. Maybe it'll return to form when they reset the deck after the launch of LEGENDS OF TOMORROW.

As for the conclusion of the 2 parter. Pretty good. A few nice twists and turns (Wells and Garrick, Hawkgirl), and plenty of progression of the various storylines. Will be interesting to see how long they are going to have the ZOOM story play out.

[Bulwyf]

My new Zoom theory:

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Maybe it's Wally West? Since they just introduced his Earth 1 persona, maybe on Earth 2 Barry wasn't raised by Joe, and Wally was. I'd have to look again, but by memory zoom looked bigger than Wally in his brief introduction, so maybe the Henry Allen theory is more likely.

Just a theory based on pretty much nothing. Just tossed it in spoilers as the previous theory which is probably more likely was too.