[Ampelas]

All right, here are my thoughts, because you all asked so nicely.

I see my joke vote has ballooned into a train on Liosan. Not because of anything I did, I just happen to be the first person on there. I'll replace said vote, if necessary, but I am going to

Remove vote

Vote Eloth

because he has answered questions and analyzed some things, yet the only person he can commit to pressure is someone who hasn't even shown up yet. Operation "Good Job" during the "Do Your Best" offensive has been a success, Eloth.

It appears involved. It appears to be active and information gathering-esque. But it lacks any real bite.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 13 hours 10 minutes remain.

13 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

2 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul
1 vote Galayn Lord: Hood's Path
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Eloth
1 vote Eloth: Ampelas

Not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Fener, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

[Denul]

My vote will go back on Liosan if he does not assuage my doubts but I want to hear more from the skaters. Let's call out Barghast and see what thoughts s/he has.

Remove Vote

Vote Barghast

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

All right, here are my thoughts, because you all asked so nicely.

I see my joke vote has ballooned into a train on Liosan. Not because of anything I did, I just happen to be the first person on there. I'll replace said vote, if necessary, but I am going to

Remove vote

Vote Eloth

because he has answered questions and analyzed some things, yet the only person he can commit to pressure is someone who hasn't even shown up yet. Operation "Good Job" during the "Do Your Best" offensive has been a success, Eloth.

It appears involved. It appears to be active and information gathering-esque. But it lacks any real bite.

S-s-s-shut up, I'm being helpful! You big meanie!

Sukhul isn't the only person I'm interested in, just the one I want to hear from right now. Putting pressure on people to get more involved is more useful this early on, than putting pressure on people you already have an opinion on. It also encourages him to take a serious look at the thread and voice his opinions when he does show up. A different pair of eyes can catch things we might have missed.

[Ampelas]

I used to buy that reasoning, but not really so much anymore. At this point, there are going to be people who couldn't get online, got slammed at work, or whatever.

The person you call out will come on and act indignant, and then either post some comments or not post some comments. I dont' think it tells us anything either way.

If they are, in fact, lurking scum, then they'll either make a reasonable sounding post that allays your fears, or they'll just remain non-committal and get forgotten until days later.

Punching at low posters on Day 1 is too easy and ultimately lazy. Punch at people that are HERE.

[Denul]

What do we do if these players don't show? I know I am going to be absent for the end of day anyway. It falls around 4am my time, and I can honestly say I have around 2-3 more hours to be involved.

[Ampelas]

Now, at some point it's perfectly ok to start a low-poster headhunt, if they last into subsequent days. Because that, in itself, is information. On day 1 though, it doesn't help much.

[Denul]

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

I used to buy that reasoning, but not really so much anymore. At this point, there are going to be people who couldn't get online, got slammed at work, or whatever.

The person you call out will come on and act indignant, and then either post some comments or not post some comments. I dont' think it tells us anything either way.

If they are, in fact, lurking scum, then they'll either make a reasonable sounding post that allays your fears, or they'll just remain non-committal and get forgotten until days later.

Punching at low posters on Day 1 is too easy and ultimately lazy. Punch at people that are HERE.

I somewhat agree, I am also hoping my vote does ask Barghast to participate a tad bit more, and give us a little something. I don't mind people low posting at all as long as they vote and give us their thoughts.

Like I said upthread, Liosan gets my vote before I leave if he gives us nothing in that time.

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

I used to buy that reasoning, but not really so much anymore. At this point, there are going to be people who couldn't get online, got slammed at work, or whatever.

The person you call out will come on and act indignant, and then either post some comments or not post some comments. I dont' think it tells us anything either way.

If they are, in fact, lurking scum, then they'll either make a reasonable sounding post that allays your fears, or they'll just remain non-committal and get forgotten until days later.

Punching at low posters on Day 1 is too easy and ultimately lazy. Punch at people that are HERE.

I've already stated my uneasiness about Denul and his attempts to steer the thread, and will continue to keep an eye on Pallid. But as there are 13 hours left today I am content to see what (and who) else comes out of the woodwork before throwing around more speculation. You are accusing me of trying to coast by being ostensibly town but ultimately unhelpful and I suspect trying to get a more emotional or aggressive response before you make up your mind about me, but I'm not being needlessly antagonistic on day 1.

[Denul]

Out of the current crop of people that are around and reading up I could definitely vote for any of them.

Fener, on 22 May 2014 - 12:43 PM, said:

Ok so not a whole lot happening that really means anything. Typical Day 1. My push back on Lio got a quick reaction in that he crumpled like a wad of paper. Not quite sure what to make of that yet, I will have to hear some more from him to decide. Pallid being all prickly and stuff is nice since its getting reactions and at least a few of us talking. GL has done nothing but RP. And we have Capt & Denul flailing around like Doc OC at a stripper convention.

So out of the guys you mention, do any of them warrant a vote, who would you like to pressure more?

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

So after reading all of that. I don't see anything particularly that jumps out to me as scummy. Pallid's response to the second vote on Fener seemed like a reasonable reaction to what looked like someone attempting to build a second joke train. I wouldn't have reacted like that but Fener getting several votes on day 1 is pretty traditional.

Again, nothing jumps out you, anything you want to like add to the group. I don't see this type of post holding any water. Are you not concerned that there are people out there who want to do you harm? Or are you a killer feigning interest but not actively looking for scum?

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

I'm in and out - busy at work but should be able to drop a few posts in here and there.

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

post eaten, trying again.

the gist of it was:

blah blah blah, labelling symp is an easy way to coast through two lynches, I cf inno 'aha symp!' you chase my 'master' they inno, the symp was clearly distracting by fake symping! Lynch him before he causes any more confusion!

its a tactic we've seen before and hey, I've used it before, all of a sudden people will not be happy until fener is lynched, because lio dropped the second vote bam straight ul after the first, and I didn't like that, had there been a case I could have been accused of defending him, but there's not, its being written off as 'oh well chuckle chuckle its fener, gotta expect a few votes as fener' bollocks. The first vote slid as the chuckle its fener vote, anything after is opportunism and no more. So denul, kindly stop trying to shepherd this thread in the direction you want it to go, because it ain't happening, we west the big boy pants now, and can do what we want without you telling us how it should be.
How about this, you're symping Lio by defending him!! Just as stupid as what you are aiming at me, so deal with it.

back to normal service, my votes staying where it is for now, because I like it and beyond denul I don't fancy sticking it anywhere else just now.

edit, info to inno

Very tunnel visioned of you. Ignore the rest of the thread. This response pleases me and I wouldn't have got it without prodding you further.

So let's see why Lio jumped onto the Fener vote and then removed himself so sheepishly when people say it looked bad.

Remove Vote

Vote Liosan

I don't mind pushing in a different direction. I'd prefer an open mind early in the day until I get better reads and more information.

As soon as Pallid accuses you of voting for Liosan here you switch to vote for Liosan. I'm wondering if perhaps you're a bit too afraid of getting tagged as scummy on Day 1?

Finally, HP, latching on to something without progressing his thoughts any further. I responded to him, etiquette dictates he should come back with a reply of his own, or another observation.

Is all the above good town play?

[Denul]

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

I used to buy that reasoning, but not really so much anymore. At this point, there are going to be people who couldn't get online, got slammed at work, or whatever.

The person you call out will come on and act indignant, and then either post some comments or not post some comments. I dont' think it tells us anything either way.

If they are, in fact, lurking scum, then they'll either make a reasonable sounding post that allays your fears, or they'll just remain non-committal and get forgotten until days later.

Punching at low posters on Day 1 is too easy and ultimately lazy. Punch at people that are HERE.

I've already stated my uneasiness about Denul and his attempts to steer the thread, and will continue to keep an eye on Pallid. But as there are 13 hours left today I am content to see what (and who) else comes out of the woodwork before throwing around more speculation. You are accusing me of trying to coast by being ostensibly town but ultimately unhelpful and I suspect trying to get a more emotional or aggressive response before you make up your mind about me, but I'm not being needlessly antagonistic on day 1.

Like Pallid? I don't want to come off as antagonistic but I am frustrated that people are sitting back and letting other people do their work. Comment on my last post please, what do you think about each player in that comment/post?

[Ampelas]

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

I'm no fun.

Fixed.

Although to be fair, I don't advocate needlessly antagonizing people. It can and should serve a purpose.

Dammit, I don't want to argue game-philosophy with you. I need that futurama photo to edit to say "Can't tell if helpful or scum".

[Ampelas]

@ denul re:kaschan

Even the people who said in signups "I will be a low poster" should still be able to come up with some sort of thought on a mere 3 pages of play. So yeah, boo kaschan.

[Denul]

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

I'm no fun.

Fixed.

Although to be fair, I don't advocate needlessly antagonizing people. It can and should serve a purpose.

Dammit, I don't want to argue game-philosophy with you. I need that futurama photo to edit to say "Can't tell if helpful or scum".

Spoiler

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 11 hours 59 minutes remain.

13 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

1 votes Liosan: Pallid
1 vote Galayn Lord: Hood's Path
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Eloth
1 vote Eloth: Ampelas
1 vote Barghast: Denul

Not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Fener, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

[Denul]

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

@ denul re:kaschan

Even the people who said in signups "I will be a low poster" should still be able to come up with some sort of thought on a mere 3 pages of play. So yeah, boo kaschan.

Yeah I agree. That's why I won't vote a low poster for low posting, I will vote them for not playing, ie giving us what they think.

[Denul]

I know my vote gets moved around today and the more I do it the more it gets watered down but I just cannot help it.

Spoiler

My link

[Ampelas]

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

@ denul re:kaschan

Even the people who said in signups "I will be a low poster" should still be able to come up with some sort of thought on a mere 3 pages of play. So yeah, boo kaschan.

Yeah I agree. That's why I won't vote a low poster for low posting, I will vote them for not playing, ie giving us what they think.

barghast?

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

@ denul re:kaschan

Even the people who said in signups "I will be a low poster" should still be able to come up with some sort of thought on a mere 3 pages of play. So yeah, boo kaschan.

I am here and working at the same time. I posted some thoughts and will be back on to post thoughts as my day goes along. Just because you can get on and post when ever you fucking are able to doesn't mean that everyone else can. So umm suck it hard on the big bag of dicks that you keep behind your pillow.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Out of the current crop of people that are around and reading up I could definitely vote for any of them.

Fener, on 22 May 2014 - 12:43 PM, said:

Ok so not a whole lot happening that really means anything. Typical Day 1. My push back on Lio got a quick reaction in that he crumpled like a wad of paper. Not quite sure what to make of that yet, I will have to hear some more from him to decide. Pallid being all prickly and stuff is nice since its getting reactions and at least a few of us talking. GL has done nothing but RP. And we have Capt & Denul flailing around like Doc OC at a stripper convention.

So out of the guys you mention, do any of them warrant a vote, who would you like to pressure more?
I'd say he backed off because he was getting a lot of flak for a Fener vote, if there was no substance to the vote (which as a joke there obviously wasnt) why wouldn't he drop it once people started taking aim at him?

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

So after reading all of that. I don't see anything particularly that jumps out to me as scummy. Pallid's response to the second vote on Fener seemed like a reasonable reaction to what looked like someone attempting to build a second joke train. I wouldn't have reacted like that but Fener getting several votes on day 1 is pretty traditional.

Again, nothing jumps out you, anything you want to like add to the group. I don't see this type of post holding any water. Are you not concerned that there are people out there who want to do you harm? Or are you a killer feigning interest but not actively looking for scum?
Kaschan is right, there hasn't been much scummy behavior or anything that has been communicated between/by scum has flown below our radar. What exactly would you like him to add beyond "no one looks worryingly suspicious"? His assessment of the thread so far is that it is faily innocuous. Which is a fair assessment I think.

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

I'm in and out - busy at work but should be able to drop a few posts in here and there.

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

post eaten, trying again.

the gist of it was:

blah blah blah, labelling symp is an easy way to coast through two lynches, I cf inno 'aha symp!' you chase my 'master' they inno, the symp was clearly distracting by fake symping! Lynch him before he causes any more confusion!

its a tactic we've seen before and hey, I've used it before, all of a sudden people will not be happy until fener is lynched, because lio dropped the second vote bam straight ul after the first, and I didn't like that, had there been a case I could have been accused of defending him, but there's not, its being written off as 'oh well chuckle chuckle its fener, gotta expect a few votes as fener' bollocks. The first vote slid as the chuckle its fener vote, anything after is opportunism and no more. So denul, kindly stop trying to shepherd this thread in the direction you want it to go, because it ain't happening, we west the big boy pants now, and can do what we want without you telling us how it should be.
How about this, you're symping Lio by defending him!! Just as stupid as what you are aiming at me, so deal with it.

back to normal service, my votes staying where it is for now, because I like it and beyond denul I don't fancy sticking it anywhere else just now.

edit, info to inno

Very tunnel visioned of you. Ignore the rest of the thread. This response pleases me and I wouldn't have got it without prodding you further.

So let's see why Lio jumped onto the Fener vote and then removed himself so sheepishly when people say it looked bad.

Remove Vote

Vote Liosan

I don't mind pushing in a different direction. I'd prefer an open mind early in the day until I get better reads and more information.

As soon as Pallid accuses you of voting for Liosan here you switch to vote for Liosan. I'm wondering if perhaps you're a bit too afraid of getting tagged as scummy on Day 1?

Finally, HP, latching on to something without progressing his thoughts any further. I responded to him, etiquette dictates he should come back with a reply of his own, or another observation.
Both of you are reacting oddly here


Is all the above good town play?

Answered in red
Not GOOD town play, but certainly not unexpected or bad town play for day 1. I just wish the people who have been not posting would start.

Denul so far you have trying very hard to control the direction and flow of the game, what I'm not sure of yet is whether you are a very bold scum or a townie with a head the size of Fener.

Edit: Spelling is hard

This post has been edited by Eloth: 22 May 2014 - 02:45 PM