[Atrahal]

'llo there. You all seem jumpy as fuck.
Fener being voted for being a mysogenistic wanker and people defending him is interesting, though.

[Denul]

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

fuck this

vote Liosan

entirely too vehement a reaction to suspicion on him, day one or not, his jump was not haha jokey to me, it was opportunist. There's multiple options out there for joke votes, none of them a second on a train

[sarcasm] I know yeah right! Imagine being the second vote on a train on day one. [/sarcasm

So yeah, what did you make of Ampelas' vote of Liosan, what was his reason for voting? For dissing his avatar, that's what. Amp just pointed out that Fener's reaction was a bit over the top for early game day banter.

See, to me Liosan is still in "fun early day mode" whereas your reactions are quite strong. I think Lio is right, that you are defending Fener.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

fuck this

vote Liosan

entirely too vehement a reaction to suspicion on him, day one or not, his jump was not haha jokey to me, it was opportunist. There's multiple options out there for joke votes, none of them a second on a train

[sarcasm] I know yeah right! Imagine being the second vote on a train on day one. [/sarcasm

So yeah, what did you make of Ampelas' vote of Liosan, what was his reason for voting? For dissing his avatar, that's what. Amp just pointed out that Fener's reaction was a bit over the top for early game day banter.

See, to me Liosan is still in "fun early day mode" whereas your reactions are quite strong. I think Lio is right, that you are defending Fener.

**SERIOUS MODE ACTIVATE!**

The second joke vote on Fener was not necessary, yeah it was probably a joke, but starting a train for a laugh is something people generally avoid...

I don't think that any of this is enough to warrant getting serious yet, but people jump all over whatever snippets they think they find on day 1.

**Alert, serious mode battery depleted**

That Fener avatar looks great, but it just isn't big enough. In my head he's larger than the hounds, not a "slightly bigger than normal" boar.

[Denul]

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

fuck this

vote Liosan

entirely too vehement a reaction to suspicion on him, day one or not, his jump was not haha jokey to me, it was opportunist. There's multiple options out there for joke votes, none of them a second on a train

[sarcasm] I know yeah right! Imagine being the second vote on a train on day one. [/sarcasm

So yeah, what did you make of Ampelas' vote of Liosan, what was his reason for voting? For dissing his avatar, that's what. Amp just pointed out that Fener's reaction was a bit over the top for early game day banter.

See, to me Liosan is still in "fun early day mode" whereas your reactions are quite strong. I think Lio is right, that you are defending Fener.

**SERIOUS MODE ACTIVATE!**

The second joke vote on Fener was not necessary, yeah it was probably a joke, but starting a train for a laugh is something people generally avoid...

I don't think that any of this is enough to warrant getting serious yet, but people jump all over whatever snippets they think they find on day 1.

**Alert, serious mode battery depleted**

That Fener avatar looks great, but it just isn't big enough. In my head he's larger than the hounds, not a "slightly bigger than normal" boar.

No one is going to end up voting for Fener just because he is Fener, no one is going to hop onto that train by the end of the day to make it a lynch for just the reason of being Fener. It would be for other reasons. So I see Liosan's vote as a joke vote. Pallid's reaction is somewhat strong don't you think?

[Denul]

I do like the avatar though, but I agree with you, I see Fener as ginormous. In Crippled God the hoof seemed to cover such a large area, unless that was just a metaphor or great magic.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

I do like the avatar though, but I agree with you, I see Fener as ginormous. In Crippled God the hoof seemed to cover such a large area, unless that was just a metaphor or great magic.

In TCG he's big enough to cover 4 massive armies, there was some point earlier in the series when he was a more "regular size" when he was hiding in one of the errants temples I think. Don't know what size was specified but I have a really really hard time ever imagining him as smaller than Rood. Just can't see it.

As for pallids vehemence, people can latch onto flimsy day 1 lynches with all their might, so I don't think either of them are really displaying scum traits at the moment.

[Denul]

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

I do like the avatar though, but I agree with you, I see Fener as ginormous. In Crippled God the hoof seemed to cover such a large area, unless that was just a metaphor or great magic.

In TCG he's big enough to cover 4 massive armies, there was some point earlier in the series when he was a more "regular size" when he was hiding in one of the errants temples I think. Don't know what size was specified but I have a really really hard time ever imagining him as smaller than Rood. Just can't see it.

As for pallids vehemence, people can latch onto flimsy day 1 lynches with all their might, so I don't think either of them are really displaying scum traits at the moment.

Anyone catch your eye so far then?

[Hood's Path]

Atrahal, on 22 May 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

'llo there. You all seem jumpy as fuck.
Fener being voted for being a mysogenistic wanker and people defending him is interesting, though.

Well you know, we are in a haunted house...

But despite it all being very interesting, there doesn't seem to be anyone who you're willing to discuss by name. Who is interesting? That's a useful question to answer.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

I do like the avatar though, but I agree with you, I see Fener as ginormous. In Crippled God the hoof seemed to cover such a large area, unless that was just a metaphor or great magic.

In TCG he's big enough to cover 4 massive armies, there was some point earlier in the series when he was a more "regular size" when he was hiding in one of the errants temples I think. Don't know what size was specified but I have a really really hard time ever imagining him as smaller than Rood. Just can't see it.

As for pallids vehemence, people can latch onto flimsy day 1 lynches with all their might, so I don't think either of them are really displaying scum traits at the moment.

Anyone catch your eye so far then?

Since we actually only have just over 1 page of posts to look at after the switch up, the only two people who have caught my eye are you and Pallid. So much seriousness from the pair of you over relatively nothing.

When was the last time anything of consequence was said on day 1 that lead to a successful lynch?

Having said that, I'd really like to hear from some of the people who have yet to contribute in any way. Sukul Ankhadu no posts, three people with 1, most of them just checking in. So in that vein;

Remove Vote
Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Get online and give us what ya got, Sukul!

[Hood's Path]

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

**SERIOUS MODE ACTIVATE!**

The second joke vote on Fener was not necessary, yeah it was probably a joke, but starting a train for a laugh is something people generally avoid...

I don't think that any of this is enough to warrant getting serious yet, but people jump all over whatever snippets they think they find on day 1.

**Alert, serious mode battery depleted**

That Fener avatar looks great, but it just isn't big enough. In my head he's larger than the hounds, not a "slightly bigger than normal" boar.

I dunno, it seems to me that getting serious early is a good thing. There'll be connections all over the shop and you might be able to induce a false reaction in someone with an early vote. The problem we have normally is that we don't pressure enough people - if you only get a read on a small fraction of players, the chances are pretty low that you've found something that legitimately leads to scum. If you get a read on everybody then there's a much better chance that there is actually some gold amongst the dirt, you just have to sift through the rubbish to find it. I'd much prefer the latter...

EDIT: X-post

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 22 May 2014 - 10:02 AM

[Eloth]

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 10:01 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

**SERIOUS MODE ACTIVATE!**

The second joke vote on Fener was not necessary, yeah it was probably a joke, but starting a train for a laugh is something people generally avoid...

I don't think that any of this is enough to warrant getting serious yet, but people jump all over whatever snippets they think they find on day 1.

**Alert, serious mode battery depleted**

That Fener avatar looks great, but it just isn't big enough. In my head he's larger than the hounds, not a "slightly bigger than normal" boar.

I dunno, it seems to me that getting serious early is a good thing. There'll be connections all over the shop and you might be able to induce a false reaction in someone with an early vote. The problem we have normally is that we don't pressure enough people - if you only get a read on a small fraction of players, the chances are pretty low that you've found something that legitimately leads to scum. If you get a read on everybody then there's a much better chance that there is actually some gold amongst the dirt, you just have to sift through the rubbish to find it. I'd much prefer the latter...

EDIT: X-post

Excellent cross post. Just after I try to get more people involved you suggest it is better for us to get more people involved. Synchronicity!

[Denul]

Well played off thread sirs

[Denul]

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

I do like the avatar though, but I agree with you, I see Fener as ginormous. In Crippled God the hoof seemed to cover such a large area, unless that was just a metaphor or great magic.

In TCG he's big enough to cover 4 massive armies, there was some point earlier in the series when he was a more "regular size" when he was hiding in one of the errants temples I think. Don't know what size was specified but I have a really really hard time ever imagining him as smaller than Rood. Just can't see it.

As for pallids vehemence, people can latch onto flimsy day 1 lynches with all their might, so I don't think either of them are really displaying scum traits at the moment.

Anyone catch your eye so far then?

Since we actually only have just over 1 page of posts to look at after the switch up, the only two people who have caught my eye are you and Pallid. So much seriousness from the pair of you over relatively nothing.

When was the last time anything of consequence was said on day 1 that lead to a successful lynch?

Having said that, I'd really like to hear from some of the people who have yet to contribute in any way. Sukul Ankhadu no posts, three people with 1, most of them just checking in. So in that vein;

Remove Vote
Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Get online and give us what ya got, Sukul!

Yeah that is a good vote for now. Is he the only non poster? I do not have the capacity to check right now.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

I do like the avatar though, but I agree with you, I see Fener as ginormous. In Crippled God the hoof seemed to cover such a large area, unless that was just a metaphor or great magic.

In TCG he's big enough to cover 4 massive armies, there was some point earlier in the series when he was a more "regular size" when he was hiding in one of the errants temples I think. Don't know what size was specified but I have a really really hard time ever imagining him as smaller than Rood. Just can't see it.

As for pallids vehemence, people can latch onto flimsy day 1 lynches with all their might, so I don't think either of them are really displaying scum traits at the moment.

Anyone catch your eye so far then?

Since we actually only have just over 1 page of posts to look at after the switch up, the only two people who have caught my eye are you and Pallid. So much seriousness from the pair of you over relatively nothing.

When was the last time anything of consequence was said on day 1 that lead to a successful lynch?

Having said that, I'd really like to hear from some of the people who have yet to contribute in any way. Sukul Ankhadu no posts, three people with 1, most of them just checking in. So in that vein;

Remove Vote
Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Get online and give us what ya got, Sukul!

Yeah that is a good vote for now. Is he the only non poster? I do not have the capacity to check right now.

He is the only non-poster AFTER the alt switch. May have checked in/posted before the switch, but that alt has not posted yet.

[Atrahal]

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 22 May 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

'llo there. You all seem jumpy as fuck.
Fener being voted for being a mysogenistic wanker and people defending him is interesting, though.

Well you know, we are in a haunted house...

But despite it all being very interesting, there doesn't seem to be anyone who you're willing to discuss by name. Who is interesting? That's a useful question to answer.

Pallid. The need to mention a bandwagon on page 1 is interesting.

[Pallid]

fire drill at work, equals check up time.
you all fell into my trap, are you the priests???
Right now denul is pushing my buttons by suggesting sympage, and trying to direct traffic. But I still want to hear more from lio

[Hood's Path]

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 10:01 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

**SERIOUS MODE ACTIVATE!**

The second joke vote on Fener was not necessary, yeah it was probably a joke, but starting a train for a laugh is something people generally avoid...

I don't think that any of this is enough to warrant getting serious yet, but people jump all over whatever snippets they think they find on day 1.

**Alert, serious mode battery depleted**

That Fener avatar looks great, but it just isn't big enough. In my head he's larger than the hounds, not a "slightly bigger than normal" boar.

I dunno, it seems to me that getting serious early is a good thing. There'll be connections all over the shop and you might be able to induce a false reaction in someone with an early vote. The problem we have normally is that we don't pressure enough people - if you only get a read on a small fraction of players, the chances are pretty low that you've found something that legitimately leads to scum. If you get a read on everybody then there's a much better chance that there is actually some gold amongst the dirt, you just have to sift through the rubbish to find it. I'd much prefer the latter...

EDIT: X-post

Excellent cross post. Just after I try to get more people involved you suggest it is better for us to get more people involved. Synchronicity!

Glad to see we're on the same page . Barghast and Kaschan both need to show up properly too. I've never understood people who do a 'Check in' style post and then just leave without saying anything else, it seems...rude, I guess. At least say "Can't talk now, will be back later" if that's what the problem is...

[Denul]

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

fire drill at work, equals check up time.
you all fell into my trap, are you the priests???
Right now denul is pushing my buttons by suggesting sympage, and trying to direct traffic. But I still want to hear more from lio

So the two people accusing you of symping are the ones who are likely scum AND the only two who stand out. Streeeeeetcching there aren't we?


I cannot see you turning out to be scum, or see you CF as scum. No scum would be so prickly day one. Symp is a good classification of you, Fener could be your master but it is a huge stretch.

I vote Fener, my vote was intended as a joke vote. I already did some jokey posts before this and was always going to vote Fener when I saw his name pop up.

Denul, on 21 May 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

vote fener

Standard Mafia 101 manoeuvre

Lio votes Fener which rubs people wrongly. I see it as a joke vote but you see it as scum jumping on the bandwagon.

Liosan, on 21 May 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

Denul, on 21 May 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

vote fener

Standard Mafia 101 manoeuvre

I'd prefer to go with

Vote Fener

For misogynistic views

So here we are. 2 early votes on Fener, which should never really be a surprise.

What ails me is your reaction

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?

what the fuck?

That is a bit strong. This is why I don't think you are scum. The reaction points a big red sign at you. For the rest of us, we think woah, why the swearing, why the mention of bandwagon.

So let's move on a little.

Eloth actually votes for you for it

Eloth, on 21 May 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?



what the fuck?

Agreed wholeheartedly bandwagoning is chickenshit, and now for something completely different;

Vote Pallid

Liosan points out what he thinks looks like symping

Liosan, on 21 May 2014 - 09:30 PM, said:

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?



what the fuck?

Bit quick to defend Fener aren't you?

Nimander thinks the whole scenario building is quite suspicious

Nimander Golit, on 21 May 2014 - 09:39 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 May 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?



what the fuck?

Agreed wholeheartedly bandwagoning is chickenshit, and now for something completely different;

Vote Pallid

Deflecting from Fener this early is damn suspicious if you ask me.

[Denul]

Fener chimes in,

Fener, on 21 May 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

We'll that spiraled out of control quickly. I don't need anyone defending me as there is nothing to defend. It was the usual first day bullshit and now here we are. As for the reason Eloth gave well....I can't refute that

I agree with him, the votes on him were not serious. He did not need defending from you Pallid.

Although like you he dislikes Lio's vote.

Fener, on 21 May 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

Now as for Lio's quick bandwagon jump I do find that pretty suspicious. Especially this early and that quick. But until there is further chatter and we all get some more ideas thrown out there I will withhold my vote.

To which Lio replies

Liosan, on 21 May 2014 - 10:28 PM, said:

Fener, on 21 May 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

Now as for Lio's quick bandwagon jump I do find that pretty suspicious. Especially this early and that quick. But until there is further chatter and we all get some more ideas thrown out there I will withhold my vote.

It's Day one Fener, get a grip.

Remove Vote

Which goes to show his vote was not serious. I don't know what to make of this response, his vote was getting reactions from numerous sources. I would have liked it to stay a little longer. The way he backed off so quickly makes me a tiny bit suspicious of him.

Yet you then vote Lio

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

fuck this

vote Liosan

entirely too vehement a reaction to suspicion on him, day one or not, his jump was not haha jokey to me, it was opportunist. There's multiple options out there for joke votes, none of them a second on a train

I highlighted above the latter part of this post and reason for vote, but I don't see a vehement reaction in Lio as I have seen in you.

So based on the above, yes I have you firmly stamped as a symp.

The problem I have is whether or not to stay voting for Fener. Your reactions to his votes were too strong. It's nothing Fener has done to make himself look scummy, it's you that is making him look scummy.

In fact, in light of that I think

remove vote

I need to think whether or not I want to Vote Fener based off your reactions, or look elsewhere.

[Denul]

What does everyone else make of the above? Am I seeing things wrongly?