[Liosan]

Atrahal, on 22 May 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

'llo there. You all seem jumpy as fuck.
Fener being voted for being a mysogenistic wanker and people defending him is interesting, though.

Must be more misogynistic wankers than I thought.

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

fuck this

vote Liosan

entirely too vehement a reaction to suspicion on him, day one or not, his jump was not haha jokey to me, it was opportunist. There's multiple options out there for joke votes, none of them a second on a train

[sarcasm] I know yeah right! Imagine being the second vote on a train on day one. [/sarcasm

So yeah, what did you make of Ampelas' vote of Liosan, what was his reason for voting? For dissing his avatar, that's what. Amp just pointed out that Fener's reaction was a bit over the top for early game day banter.

See, to me Liosan is still in "fun early day mode" whereas your reactions are quite strong. I think Lio is right, that you are defending Fener.

@Pallid No one else was presenting quite the target you were. As you saw I dropped vote shortly because it was a joke vote but one that seems to have drawn out some defences of various alts - myself included.

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

No one is going to end up voting for Fener just because he is Fener, no one is going to hop onto that train by the end of the day to make it a lynch for just the reason of being Fener. It would be for other reasons. So I see Liosan's vote as a joke vote. Pallid's reaction is somewhat strong don't you think?

People couldn't accuse me of fishing for reactions, could they? No, surely not.

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 10:01 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

**SERIOUS MODE ACTIVATE!**

The second joke vote on Fener was not necessary, yeah it was probably a joke, but starting a train for a laugh is something people generally avoid...

I don't think that any of this is enough to warrant getting serious yet, but people jump all over whatever snippets they think they find on day 1.

**Alert, serious mode battery depleted**

That Fener avatar looks great, but it just isn't big enough. In my head he's larger than the hounds, not a "slightly bigger than normal" boar.

I dunno, it seems to me that getting serious early is a good thing. There'll be connections all over the shop and you might be able to induce a false reaction in someone with an early vote. The problem we have normally is that we don't pressure enough people - if you only get a read on a small fraction of players, the chances are pretty low that you've found something that legitimately leads to scum. If you get a read on everybody then there's a much better chance that there is actually some gold amongst the dirt, you just have to sift through the rubbish to find it. I'd much prefer the latter...

EDIT: X-post

So who do you want to pressure then HP?

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

fire drill at work, equals check up time.
you all fell into my trap, are you the priests???
Right now denul is pushing my buttons by suggesting sympage, and trying to direct traffic. But I still want to hear more from lio

What are you wanting to hear from me, Pal?

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

I don't think any symp would be so reactionary and vehement about a couple of joke posts, they might sweat a bit but this is not a proportional or reasonable response a symp would have. I think you are reaching here.

Although given how Day One usually goes down were a master to get flak that spells their doom so symp should be in at least distracting if not drawing the lynch onto themselves.

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

post eaten, trying again.

the gist of it was:

blah blah blah, labelling symp is an easy way to coast through two lynches, I cf inno 'aha symp!' you chase my 'master' they inno, the symp was clearly distracting by fake symping! Lynch him before he causes any more confusion!

its a tactic we've seen before and hey, I've used it before, all of a sudden people will not be happy until fener is lynched, because lio dropped the second vote bam straight ul after the first, and I didn't like that, had there been a case I could have been accused of defending him, but there's not, its being written off as 'oh well chuckle chuckle its fener, gotta expect a few votes as fener' bollocks. The first vote slid as the chuckle its fener vote, anything after is opportunism and no more. So denul, kindly stop trying to shepherd this thread in the direction you want it to go, because it ain't happening, we west the big boy pants now, and can do what we want without you telling us how it should be.
How about this, you're symping Lio by defending him!! Just as stupid as what you are aiming at me, so deal with it.

back to normal service, my votes staying where it is for now, because I like it and beyond denul I don't fancy sticking it anywhere else just now.






edit, info to inno

So you're saying by your bizarre logic that we shouldn't vote you because why exactly?

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Very tunnel visioned of you. Ignore the rest of the thread. This response pleases me and I wouldn't have got it without prodding you further.

So let's see why Lio jumped onto the Fener vote and then removed himself so sheepishly when people say it looked bad.

Remove Vote

Vote Liosan

I don't mind pushing in a different direction. I'd prefer an open mind early in the day until I get better reads and more information.

Because it was a partially a joke vote, partially because I do have issues with this statement:

Fener, on 21 May 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

Yeah but for a female writer it wasnt a bad series. There arent many female writers that I can even get myself to read. Too many touchy feely characters generally speaking

Fener, on 22 May 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

Liosan's initial jumpiness and subsequent silence pushes me towards him being scum, but i would like to see a little more of the day go by before I drop a vote, who knows maybe he will surprise me. I would definitely like to hear from some of the non-entities that are cruising around out there as well. Nimander dropped by to stir the pot and then disappeared, which simply made the waters even more murky. There just really isnt a whole lot new to go on at this point. Like Johnny 5 "Need Input!"

Screw that, it's known as going to bed, going to work, driving for 3 hours to where I'm spending a long weekend. I'm here for a very short time and will return a few hours before EoD. It's known as "everyone else thinks they're safe from D1 random lynch syndrome and is taking it easy"

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 22 May 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

'llo there. You all seem jumpy as fuck.
Fener being voted for being a mysogenistic wanker and people defending him is interesting, though.

Possible signal to Liosan?

If someone with a computer could take a look at that and see if it is an upper case I after the 'l I'd be grateful, they I can try to figure out why Atrahal is signalling me

So thoughts so far; Gee, I'm embroiled in D1 random shit again. You'd think I'd learn. Now do you see scum doing that? On D1? Really?

[Liosan]

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:07 PM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

It isn't that your controlling the thread it seems more that you have posted a lot and have opinions out on everything.

There's nothing I can do about that, I am at a computer and I have some time. Tomorrow I may not have much, later I won't for sure. So I want my reactions to posts on thread for later analysis if it comes that way. Although I did just take a step back and HP seems to have posted his thoughts which I like.

Yeah I am not going to be around tomorrow either.

Same here. Some time but not enough to be meaningful.

Who do I want to have on thread interacting? Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu. You're all shit town for giving us so little to read.

[Kaschan]

Liosan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:07 PM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

It isn't that your controlling the thread it seems more that you have posted a lot and have opinions out on everything.

There's nothing I can do about that, I am at a computer and I have some time. Tomorrow I may not have much, later I won't for sure. So I want my reactions to posts on thread for later analysis if it comes that way. Although I did just take a step back and HP seems to have posted his thoughts which I like.

Yeah I am not going to be around tomorrow either.

Same here. Some time but not enough to be meaningful.

Who do I want to have on thread interacting? Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu. You're all shit town for giving us so little to read.

So roughly half of the players in the game are shit. Yeah on day 1 I don't really find it that remarkable that half of the players haven't really posted. By the end of day 2 I would find it remarkable. I think that a large part of that has to do with starting a game in the middle of the week leading into a holiday weekend. There were a good group of players (probably the ones who were posting a bunch in the sign up thread) who were chomping at the bit to start playing again. Then there were other players who wanted a game and were willing to sign up for another one but weren't frothing at the mouth about it. Day one starts in the middle of the week are always a bit off.

[Kaschan]

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

I guess I'll ask, since nobody seems to have commented on it - what do you guys think about Galayn Lord? I dropped a vote on him because I felt that was actively ignoring the talking points of the time in an attempt to stay on the quiet, but I'm a little put out by the fact that nobody else has really mentioned it.

If you haven't noticed yet, a running theme in the way I'm thinking about the game today is that avoiding getting embroiled in the Day 1 randomness is probably high on the list of scum priorities. As such, I'm in favour of trying to search for people who are seeking to stay out of sight - I like Ampelas' reasoning behind his vote on Eloth for this reason.

I think that GL is just RPing. I don't have a problem with day rping. At one time it was much more common. I went through and could see anything the would lead me to believe that he was signalling anyone or that anyone was signalling him. It looks like the only person who has any issue with it is you.

[Liosan]

You know what,

Vote Atrahal

Get on thread and do something.

[Liosan]

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

I guess I'll ask, since nobody seems to have commented on it - what do you guys think about Galayn Lord? I dropped a vote on him because I felt that was actively ignoring the talking points of the time in an attempt to stay on the quiet, but I'm a little put out by the fact that nobody else has really mentioned it.

If you haven't noticed yet, a running theme in the way I'm thinking about the game today is that avoiding getting embroiled in the Day 1 randomness is probably high on the list of scum priorities. As such, I'm in favour of trying to search for people who are seeking to stay out of sight - I like Ampelas' reasoning behind his vote on Eloth for this reason.

I think that GL is just RPing. I don't have a problem with day rping. At one time it was much more common. I went through and could see anything the would lead me to believe that he was signalling anyone or that anyone was signalling him. It looks like the only person who has any issue with it is you.

We should have a RP-only game thread like there was with Slow Mafia. It'd have to be themed of course but M&P for the first one at least?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 9 hours 54 minutes remain.

13 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

2 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul
1 vote Galayn Lord: Hood's Path
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Eloth
1 vote Eloth: Ampelas
1 vote Atrahal: Liosan

Not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Fener, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

[Barghast]

Liosan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:07 PM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

It isn't that your controlling the thread it seems more that you have posted a lot and have opinions out on everything.

There's nothing I can do about that, I am at a computer and I have some time. Tomorrow I may not have much, later I won't for sure. So I want my reactions to posts on thread for later analysis if it comes that way. Although I did just take a step back and HP seems to have posted his thoughts which I like.

Yeah I am not going to be around tomorrow either.

Same here. Some time but not enough to be meaningful.

Who do I want to have on thread interacting? Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu. You're all shit town for giving us so little to read.

Seriously, screw off. I'm trying to catch up with the thread, and so far all I'm seeing are far too many douchebag posts. A bunch of us folk were on yesterday for half the morning before we had to redo alts. We're not allowed to say who we were, and no there isn't much meat on the bone for those beginning posts, but the game has only been going for about 24, no less than that considering the alt shuffle, so to those of you talking malarky for a few of us not being able to get back on thread yet can shove it up your arses. Use the information you have to work with for the time being. Attempting to play balls to the wall and hunt down scum is commendable, but some of you are sowing discord for no suitable reason. Can all wait for when and what I have to say or cry and do more harm to town than to scum.

Ahem. Back to business.

[Barghast]

Liosan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

I guess I'll ask, since nobody seems to have commented on it - what do you guys think about Galayn Lord? I dropped a vote on him because I felt that was actively ignoring the talking points of the time in an attempt to stay on the quiet, but I'm a little put out by the fact that nobody else has really mentioned it.

If you haven't noticed yet, a running theme in the way I'm thinking about the game today is that avoiding getting embroiled in the Day 1 randomness is probably high on the list of scum priorities. As such, I'm in favour of trying to search for people who are seeking to stay out of sight - I like Ampelas' reasoning behind his vote on Eloth for this reason.

I think that GL is just RPing. I don't have a problem with day rping. At one time it was much more common. I went through and could see anything the would lead me to believe that he was signalling anyone or that anyone was signalling him. It looks like the only person who has any issue with it is you.

We should have a RP-only game thread like there was with Slow Mafia. It'd have to be themed of course but M&P for the first one at least?

As far as the earlier roleplay posts, I lend myself towards being fond of the such, but only if included with posts of sustenance. The roleplay before were just space holders, I have to say. I'm keeping it and Galayne Lord in mind for now.

[Barghast]

Liosan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

You know what,

Vote Atrahal

Get on thread and do something.

Seriously? For Day 1, there is enough here to avoid these tactics and votes. This would give us nothing compared to someone like you, for example.

[Barghast]

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

All right, here are my thoughts, because you all asked so nicely.

I see my joke vote has ballooned into a train on Liosan. Not because of anything I did, I just happen to be the first person on there. I'll replace said vote, if necessary, but I am going to

Remove vote

Vote Eloth

because he has answered questions and analyzed some things, yet the only person he can commit to pressure is someone who hasn't even shown up yet. Operation "Good Job" during the "Do Your Best" offensive has been a success, Eloth.

It appears involved. It appears to be active and information gathering-esque. But it lacks any real bite.

So basically, you're claiming Eloth is playing too well for your tastes?

I will attempt to catch up and comment on already established interests on thread before coming forth with something, if anything, I see that none mentioned.

[Kaschan]

Liosan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

I guess I'll ask, since nobody seems to have commented on it - what do you guys think about Galayn Lord? I dropped a vote on him because I felt that was actively ignoring the talking points of the time in an attempt to stay on the quiet, but I'm a little put out by the fact that nobody else has really mentioned it.

If you haven't noticed yet, a running theme in the way I'm thinking about the game today is that avoiding getting embroiled in the Day 1 randomness is probably high on the list of scum priorities. As such, I'm in favour of trying to search for people who are seeking to stay out of sight - I like Ampelas' reasoning behind his vote on Eloth for this reason.

I think that GL is just RPing. I don't have a problem with day rping. At one time it was much more common. I went through and could see anything the would lead me to believe that he was signalling anyone or that anyone was signalling him. It looks like the only person who has any issue with it is you.

We should have a RP-only game thread like there was with Slow Mafia. It'd have to be themed of course but M&P for the first one at least?

We used to do that periodically. Dibs dice game comes to mind.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

What's up everyone, sorry for checking in so late, couldn't be helped. Reading up as I have time.

[Barghast]

Denul, on 21 May 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

vote fener

Standard Mafia 101 manoeuvre

Denul's initial joke vote.

Liosan, on 21 May 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

Denul, on 21 May 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

vote fener

Standard Mafia 101 manoeuvre

I'd prefer to go with

Vote Fener

For misogynistic views

The very next post, Liosan follows the joke vote. Although I must agree with the reason of mysogony

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?



what the fuck?

Again, the very next post. Pallid chimes in. I want to note that Pallid gives me a gut feeling for scum beginning here.

Eloth, on 21 May 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?



what the fuck?

Agreed wholeheartedly bandwagoning is chickenshit, and now for something completely different;

Vote Pallid

To follow the theme for very next post, Eloth chimes in. To be honest, at this point it's most likely nothing of note, but we work with what we are given.

Liosan, on 21 May 2014 - 09:30 PM, said:

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?



what the fuck?

Bit quick to defend Fener aren't you?

The flow of the thread starts taking on a more serious note. I wouldn't expect this yet. Nimander tosses his two shillings in, trying to sound agreeable.

Nimander Golit, on 21 May 2014 - 09:39 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 May 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?



what the fuck?

Agreed wholeheartedly bandwagoning is chickenshit, and now for something completely different;

Vote Pallid

Deflecting from Fener this early is damn suspicious if you ask me.

Then Galayne Lord roleplays with no substance. Eloth responds in kind.

Fener, on 21 May 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

Now as for Lio's quick bandwagon jump I do find that pretty suspicious. Especially this early and that quick. But until there is further chatter and we all get some more ideas thrown out there I will withhold my vote.

I wanted to rehash this simple exchange to show where one or more of Fener,Liosan, or Pallid could be scum based off what I read as 'anxious' posting. Day 1 cases are often shite, but I hold these 3 in mind for now while I try to narrow down the best choice for lynching scum.

[Hood's Path]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 22 May 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

What's up everyone, sorry for checking in so late, couldn't be helped. Reading up as I have time.

Nice of you to show up on time . Might be a good idea to start posting some thoughts (it'd be nice if everyone playing was being active and helpful for once).

[Barghast]

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

I do like the avatar though, but I agree with you, I see Fener as ginormous. In Crippled God the hoof seemed to cover such a large area, unless that was just a metaphor or great magic.

In TCG he's big enough to cover 4 massive armies, there was some point earlier in the series when he was a more "regular size" when he was hiding in one of the errants temples I think. Don't know what size was specified but I have a really really hard time ever imagining him as smaller than Rood. Just can't see it.

As for pallids vehemence, people can latch onto flimsy day 1 lynches with all their might, so I don't think either of them are really displaying scum traits at the moment.

Anyone catch your eye so far then?

Since we actually only have just over 1 page of posts to look at after the switch up, the only two people who have caught my eye are you and Pallid. So much seriousness from the pair of you over relatively nothing.

When was the last time anything of consequence was said on day 1 that lead to a successful lynch?

Having said that, I'd really like to hear from some of the people who have yet to contribute in any way. Sukul Ankhadu no posts, three people with 1, most of them just checking in. So in that vein;

Remove Vote
Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Get online and give us what ya got, Sukul!

I don't agree with these types of votes. We need to focus on players with links to others and those who will provide the best chance at killing scum, or providing information from an opposite cf. This gives us nothing, just as I said about the Atrahal vote above.

[Barghast]

Ampelas, on 21 May 2014 - 11:00 PM, said:

Hood, on 21 May 2014 - 10:59 PM, said:

Old school alts, cool! But Galayn Lord and Liosan being almost exactly the same at a casual glance is going to be really annoying . And the less said about the monstrosity that is Pallid's avatar the better.

Signalling your two masters at once in the same post? That's ballsy.

I'm a sucker for stuff like this. I always want to believe these things are good catches, so I never discount them fully. The fact that the two mentioned are Galayne Lord, whose roleplay is suspiciously odd, and Liosan, who is one of the three I'm looking at for Day 1, is a welcomed bonus for thought.

Ampelas, on 21 May 2014 - 11:08 PM, said:

CLASSIC avatar.

Vote Liosan

A vote for Liosan lends weight to Liosan as my narrowed choice. Also, this could be Ampelas wanting to test his theory above. If scum, would be great for establishing a VPI in Ampelas.

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 12:08 AM, said:

Weird how GL decides to ignore Liosan bandwagoning onto Fener and just RPs away instead without mentioning. Almost as if he's got special interest in hoping the furore will wash over him and he'll be able to slip through the standard Day 1 carnage unscathed.

Vote Galayn Lord

Galayne is not one of my three considerations, but another slight possible, and noting of Hood espousing shared sentiments.

[Barghast]

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

fire drill at work, equals check up time.
you all fell into my trap, are you the priests???
Right now denul is pushing my buttons by suggesting sympage, and trying to direct traffic. But I still want to hear more from lio

So the two people accusing you of symping are the ones who are likely scum AND the only two who stand out. Streeeeeetcching there aren't we?


I cannot see you turning out to be scum, or see you CF as scum. No scum would be so prickly day one. Symp is a good classification of you, Fener could be your master but it is a huge stretch.

I vote Fener, my vote was intended as a joke vote. I already did some jokey posts before this and was always going to vote Fener when I saw his name pop up.

I strongly disagree with this sentiment. It's far too early to disregard anyone for scum quite yet, and I get a bad vibe from your choosing to do so. Pallid is still possibly quite scummy for me.

[Barghast]

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

My vote will go back on Liosan if he does not assuage my doubts but I want to hear more from the skaters. Let's call out Barghast and see what thoughts s/he has.

Remove Vote

Vote Barghast

For the third time, this type of play is poor, as well as your voting all over the place. However, I do agree on the Liosan front.

[Barghast]

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

I used to buy that reasoning, but not really so much anymore. At this point, there are going to be people who couldn't get online, got slammed at work, or whatever.

The person you call out will come on and act indignant, and then either post some comments or not post some comments. I dont' think it tells us anything either way.

If they are, in fact, lurking scum, then they'll either make a reasonable sounding post that allays your fears, or they'll just remain non-committal and get forgotten until days later.

Punching at low posters on Day 1 is too easy and ultimately lazy. Punch at people that are HERE.

Here, here.

Remind me to rep you for this post after the game. I'm relieved to not have been alone in my feelings on this matter.