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Mafia 111 Fist of the North Star

#261 User is offline   Denul 

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:36 PM

I can't help but laugh at your idea that

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The Librarian points out that behavioral analysis has been picking up steam quite frequently of late. Scum is not so easily caught by slip ups, but rather behavioral quirks that bespeak someone desperate to go unnoticed and unsuspected.


Scum have never had so little desperation as these days, especially when it comes to M&P. Scum are never "desperate to go unnoticed and unsuspected" these days. They just sit with their thumbs up their asses and let town self-destruct.

Remember when 1 scum for every 3 town was considered good odds? What is it now? Name of the Rose was 1:11. Blessed Isle was 1:4. GotM was 1:4.3 .

Spycraft was 1:3.3, with reduced NKs and every single townie roled. Town managed to lynch one of the scum day 1 simply due to Tatts' bizarrity, and still managed to self-destruct entirely.

#262 User is offline   Okral Lom 

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:39 PM

Alright, I'm heading home, more in a bit.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:41 PM

I am back around for a bit. Should be here till day's end, at least off and on. First couple of things.

View PostMonok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

Ridcully: PAAAATTTTHHHSHAPER! Would you be so kind as to post a vote update? My hat off to you good sir!


Pretty sure P-S said he was not going to be around until timeout, meaning no vote or time updates. That is unfortunate because I think we are split pretty solidly down the middle right now between Serc and Denul and a vote count would be nice.

View PostTiamatha, on 15 April 2014 - 07:32 PM, said:

dinner eaten. Should be here sporadically until time out.

first order of business, MO's librarian shit is incredibly frustrating to have to read through, please fucking stop.



time left is? I'm guessing around the 4/5 hour mark.

I'm happier with my denul vote tbh but a serc CF will clear a lot up


I think we have closer to 2 hours, not 4 or 5. Someone correct me here if this is wrong.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:41 PM

View PostMonok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 06:39 PM, said:

NARRATOR: (COMING OUT OF CHARACTER) META IS NOT ALLOWED IN MAFIA GAMES OF RANDOMLY-ALTED DESIGN. ATTEMPTING TO DERAIL AND/OR THROW ASPERSION ON A CASE DUE TO META IS REPREHENSIBLE AND AT MINIMUM POOR FORM. IF YOU SUSPECT THIS CASE TO BE ANYTHING BUT IN ERNEST, TAKE IT UP WITH PATHSHAPER IN YOUR PM'S, NOT ON THREAD.


Noted.

Not at all derailing. Simply saying I wish to be certain of Denul. Several things about my read of him seem odd.

Will take it up with PS off-thread.

I already stated when I voted Serc that I'm happier moving on if its possible to remove doubt and find a more definate case. Are you ok leaving Serc be? personally I get nothing concrete from a Denul CF without a lynch to review but I am in no way opposed to it. It makes alot of sense, my gut is the only thing holding me back.

Sercs CF may offer more info about players outside the Denul, Serc duo. Both Serc and denul have said things that contradict each other and contradict themselves. If theres a link I'm seeing Serc as the less threatening but more pivotal player? If you see this as a defence of Denul then you are mistaken. I'd rather deal with Denul Day 2 rather than deal with Serc day 2 purely based on confusion around Denuls content vs the simplicity of Sercs.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:44 PM

About an hour and 10 minutes left, by my count.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:45 PM

View PostDenul, on 15 April 2014 - 07:36 PM, said:

I can't help but laugh at your idea that

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The Librarian points out that behavioral analysis has been picking up steam quite frequently of late. Scum is not so easily caught by slip ups, but rather behavioral quirks that bespeak someone desperate to go unnoticed and unsuspected.


Scum have never had so little desperation as these days, especially when it comes to M&P. Scum are never "desperate to go unnoticed and unsuspected" these days. They just sit with their thumbs up their asses and let town self-destruct.

Remember when 1 scum for every 3 town was considered good odds? What is it now? Name of the Rose was 1:11. Blessed Isle was 1:4. GotM was 1:4.3 .

Spycraft was 1:3.3, with reduced NKs and every single townie roled. Town managed to lynch one of the scum day 1 simply due to Tatts' bizarrity, and still managed to self-destruct entirely.


I actually agree with Denul here, it seems like recently the opposite of what MO said is true. For instance, in the scenario Denul referenced in Spycraft, scum was caught on more than one slipup on day 1 and they certainly were not trying to go unnoticed. In fact, he was one of the most active posters, so this doesn't ring true to me at all.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:48 PM

9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

1 vote Korabas: Okral Lom
4 votes Denul: Monok Ochem, Bek Okhan, Tiamatha, Shadow
5 votes Serc: Alkend, Korabas, Lock, Denul, Galayn Lord

Players not voted: Ampelas, Eloth, Kessobahn, Rikkter, Ruse, Serc

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:50 PM

Has Kessobahn even checked in yet?

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:55 PM

an hour?? Shit I thought it was a lot more.

don't recall seeing anything from kesso at all this game.

I'll switch if needed but...




ETA - would prefer denul, don't know why I hit post before typing

This post has been edited by Tiamatha: 15 April 2014 - 07:56 PM


#270 User is offline   Kessobahn 

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:56 PM

View PostDenul, on 15 April 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

Has Kessobahn even checked in yet?


Yes. Yesterday turned into a complete fail. Reading up now.

MO's ook eek shit is vote worthy just for being fucking annoying.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:59 PM

NARRATOR: Given the lack of appreciation for Role-Playing this group of mafia players have expressed, the Librarian and his cohort have been sent home, leaving me to my own devices without their quirky, if not astute, help. That being said, several of you are grumpy sods.

I refer you to this game Denul, where an overhelpfulness led to the lynch (and relynch and relynch) of our beloved Mess: http://forum.malazan...the-timestream/

I would also ask you how you would have caught the lead scum last game (OH WAIT! you didn't, nobody did).

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:00 PM

Was reading through on the train and realised just how little time we have left.



Remove Vote


Vote Serc

At this point he and Denul are the only viable candidates, and after rereading the case on Denul I can't bring myself to vote for that travesty.

#273 User is offline   Eloth 

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:06 PM

View PostMonok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

OOOOK OOK EEEK!!

Ponder: Ok, ok, Librarian. Please calm down. This post below is what we are particularly distressed by:

[Denul's quote here]


Ponder: There are more of the inconsistencies we are used to seeing by now found in this post. If Master Denul is town, we'd assume there to be less of a self-preservation bent, and more of a helpful quality to the posts. While this may not be true of many players, townie or otherwise, what convinces us of aberrant behavior is the vote on Master Serc, particularly in light of the last full paragraph where Master Denul clearly states that Master Serc is very unlikely scum. In fact, despite the ties being made between Master Serc and Master Denul, the cases on them seem to be running largely parallel, as if there is a divide over the players themselves, not the links between them.

Ponder: I... we have seen several posts from others (like Master Korabas and Master Lock) that actively detract from Denul but end in a vote for Serc. I find this very strange, given how little justification is given for votes on Serc. There is too much defensiveness swirling around these two, and I am beginning to suspect that one of them (Master Denul) has several supporters actively trying to rescue their main man. I don't know if others have noticed, but Serc is nearly lynched.


The two things that really bother me here are MO's supposed ignorance about Serc - for God's sake, MO himself made a case on Serc earlier in the day, how can he say that voting Serc is totally unjustified? Serious backpedaling here. Second, "several supporters"? I realize this is a pretty off-hand comment but it sounds like you are tossing anyone who is voting someone other than Denul into the "potential scum" pile, which is not only more speculation about scum numbers but it reads like fear-mongering.

I think I am going to have to pay more attention to these damn posts by MO because the more I read the less I like them.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:08 PM

How long do we have left?

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:09 PM

Typing from my phone but we must be close to end of day. I'm about to finish work, the wife and kids await me

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:10 PM

View PostGalayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

View PostMonok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 06:39 PM, said:

NARRATOR: (COMING OUT OF CHARACTER) META IS NOT ALLOWED IN MAFIA GAMES OF RANDOMLY-ALTED DESIGN. ATTEMPTING TO DERAIL AND/OR THROW ASPERSION ON A CASE DUE TO META IS REPREHENSIBLE AND AT MINIMUM POOR FORM. IF YOU SUSPECT THIS CASE TO BE ANYTHING BUT IN ERNEST, TAKE IT UP WITH PATHSHAPER IN YOUR PM'S, NOT ON THREAD.


Noted.

Not at all derailing. Simply saying I wish to be certain of Denul. Several things about my read of him seem odd.

Will take it up with PS off-thread.

I already stated when I voted Serc that I'm happier moving on if its possible to remove doubt and find a more definate case. Are you ok leaving Serc be? personally I get nothing concrete from a Denul CF without a lynch to review but I am in no way opposed to it. It makes alot of sense, my gut is the only thing holding me back.

Sercs CF may offer more info about players outside the Denul, Serc duo. Both Serc and denul have said things that contradict each other and contradict themselves. If theres a link I'm seeing Serc as the less threatening but more pivotal player? If you see this as a defence of Denul then you are mistaken. I'd rather deal with Denul Day 2 rather than deal with Serc day 2 purely based on confusion around Denuls content vs the simplicity of Sercs.


I personally thought Serc was a distraction. Here's the thing: what bothered me early on was how a case was building on Serc for symping, despite the well-known adage "lynch the master not the symp." I was similarly surprised that nothing had been said about Denul, and endeavored to make a case. Unfortunately, Denul plays like most do, townie through and through, with many elements we've come to see and love about those we think we can trust. Most telling, however, was how viciously Deul reacted to the accusations and the the subsequent biting sarcasms, pointing out "oh look signalling! oh look more signalling" and then making the bipolar switch to being helpful. And Denul has definitely seemed helpful, doing rereads, posting vote counts, keeping track of how long of the day is left. Townie, right?

As for Korabas, Korabas was a poorly done symp case, trying to lend weight behind the burgeoning case on Serc. The reason I felt suspicious of this case was that it addressed Serc without even acknowledging Denul's attachment to that group. And then we spend today piling up on Serc, who is being called a symp, still, and expecting Denul to be cleared? That just doesn't make any sense to me. So I think, really, there is a lot of deflection and scrambling going on, and that even if Serc is a symp, we will gain nothing from lynching him. Instead, Denul will just have that much more "told you so" and will disappear into the post lynch haze of day 2.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:11 PM

View PostOkral Lom, on 15 April 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

Was reading through on the train and realised just how little time we have left.



Remove Vote


Vote Serc

At this point he and Denul are the only viable candidates, and after rereading the case on Denul I can't bring myself to vote for that travesty.


Why 'travesty'? I'm on page 5 and Denul looks slightly scummier to me than Serc.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:13 PM

View PostAlkend, on 15 April 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

How long do we have left?



PS post at 4:44 am said 12 hours and 3 minutes left. So it times out right around 4:46.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:14 PM

View PostAlkend, on 15 April 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

How long do we have left?


Around 45 minutes I think.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:20 PM

unvote

vote Serc




its the only viable option with 45 minutes left

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