[Barghast]

Desra, on 29 July 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Desra, on 29 July 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 27 July 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

*snip*

This is a town vs. scum game, although it involves 3 clans. "Town" are players who are in the besieged castles of the Miura and Uesugi. Scum are the Fujiwari, who have besieged those castles.
Victory for scum is if they achieve parity/superiority in numbers. Victory for town is eliminate scum general(s) (killers).


*snip*

I take this underlined to mean general & killer are one and the same and interchangeable, at least in this game

Okay, good point. Don't know how I missed that.

So then what, 2 killers, 3 symps?

or 2 symps. WCS 3-4. This is one of those times where role spec is absolutely useless to town, unless you want to launch into prolonged "odds or evens rule" WIFOM spec. I mean, you won't know if you hit a symp anyways.

So then how do you propose to figure out who scum is? We have to come to some form of consensus on what we think the game mechanics are going to look like so that we have a good starting point.

well, usually it goes like this:

Day 1--lots of jokes, stupid votes, late Day 1 pileup, totally random lynch.

Day2--analysis of day 1 "train", more random voting, semi-random lynch.

Days 3-x: finder reveals, cases, some kind of logic., pissing contests, low poster hunts, eventual lynches. Town either wins or loses.

if you have any bright ideas, i'm all ears. Until I have reasons to believe otherwise, i'm treating this as scum v town. Golden rule is: in town V scum role spec only helps scum. so i'm not gonna talk about roles, and I WILL actively discourage others from talking about them.

Are you really hoping to get a "slip" from a roled player to tell you more?

[Jalan]

Barghy, are you trying to get us to leave off talking about the numbers? I assume you have a better topic to discuss.

[Barghast]

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

Barghy, are you trying to get us to leave off talking about the numbers? I assume you have a better topic to discuss.

At the moment, Desra's unhealthy fascination with role distribution seems a good topic. Howeve, given town's track record of making idiots of themselves on day 1 (me included), I'm not willing to pursue that avenue too vigorously. yet.

[Jalan]

Well, Barghy, looks like you semi-answered (presciently) while I was slowly posting so even though your flippant analysis of the last few games is mostly correct, I must point out that no one was talking about any roles except scum roles. Do you really think it helps scum to get a number of possible scenarios out the for contemplation? Unless we summarily adopt one and pursue it to the exclusion of all else, I say we are merely brainstorming.

[Jalan]

I will pause to sync up, since there is no need to muddy up the waters by engaging in what could be misconstrued as an effort to be argumentative.

You will admit this line of reasoning is at least slightly better than Ye Olde Dragonne Coitus?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 18 hours and 46 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Cast, D'riss, Desra, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Liosan ( D'riss )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Liosan )

Players not voted: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Cast, Desra, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake

[Barghast]

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Well, Barghy, looks like you semi-answered (presciently) while I was slowly posting so even though your flippant analysis of the last few games is mostly correct, I must point out that no one was talking about any roles except scum roles. Do you really think it helps scum to get a number of possible scenarios out the for contemplation? Unless we summarily adopt one and pursue it to the exclusion of all else, I say we are merely brainstorming.

more like last 70+ games.

and yes, throwing out number of killers doesn't do anything (unless they don't know each other). But throwing out spec about symps could be helpful to them. and problem with spec is, once ppl start they rarely know when to stop.

Anyhow, my point was quite simply is that rigth now we don't have much to go on. And we won't at least for a few days. That's normal, just as lynching townies is normal, and we should not be making a huge deal out if it. But if I go on talking about this, i'll just start repeating what we've already discussed ad nauseum numerous times.

[Alkend]

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

You will admit this line of reasoning is at least slightly better than Ye Olde Dragonne Coitus?

woah now
lets not go that far
...
super seriously tho role speculation is an inherent part of any game over tmdi 2, especially one that has some kind of pseudo-faction mechanic that might affect gameplay
nobody is going to slip up and accidentally reveal healer or finder or something
i cant think of a single game where town have lost because of mechanics debate on day one
tldr dont be a killjoy barghy

[Jalan]

Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Well, Barghy, looks like you semi-answered (presciently) while I was slowly posting so even though your flippant analysis of the last few games is mostly correct, I must point out that no one was talking about any roles except scum roles. Do you really think it helps scum to get a number of possible scenarios out the for contemplation? Unless we summarily adopt one and pursue it to the exclusion of all else, I say we are merely brainstorming.

more like last 70+ games.

and yes, throwing out number of killers doesn't do anything (unless they don't know each other). But throwing out spec about symps could be helpful to them. and problem with spec is, once ppl start they rarely know when to stop.

Anyhow, my point was quite simply is that rigth now we don't have much to go on. And we won't at least for a few days. That's normal, just as lynching townies is normal, and we should not be making a huge deal out if it. But if I go on talking about this, i'll just start repeating what we've already discussed ad nauseum numerous times.

no need to elaborate, your point is made

What, then, shall we turn to for contemplation in this hour of ignorance?

[Barghast]

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Well, Barghy, looks like you semi-answered (presciently) while I was slowly posting so even though your flippant analysis of the last few games is mostly correct, I must point out that no one was talking about any roles except scum roles. Do you really think it helps scum to get a number of possible scenarios out the for contemplation? Unless we summarily adopt one and pursue it to the exclusion of all else, I say we are merely brainstorming.

more like last 70+ games.

and yes, throwing out number of killers doesn't do anything (unless they don't know each other). But throwing out spec about symps could be helpful to them. and problem with spec is, once ppl start they rarely know when to stop.

Anyhow, my point was quite simply is that rigth now we don't have much to go on. And we won't at least for a few days. That's normal, just as lynching townies is normal, and we should not be making a huge deal out if it. But if I go on talking about this, i'll just start repeating what we've already discussed ad nauseum numerous times.

no need to elaborate, your point is made

What, then, shall we turn to for contemplation in this hour of ignorance?

well, we could make silly OMGUS votes, look for hidden signalling, codes, symping, etc. or just vote off the guy with fewest posts. Is Fener in this game, by any chance?

[Barghast]

Path-Shaper, on 29 July 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 18 hours and 46 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Cast, D'riss, Desra, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Liosan ( D'riss )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Liosan )

Players not voted: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Cast, Desra, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake

Fener's not playing. SO much for that,

I'll need to look who has the least posts atm.

[Alkend]

Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Fener's not playing. SO much for that,

I'll need to look who has the least posts atm.

when we are only ten hours into day one?

[Barghast]

Alkend, on 29 July 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Fener's not playing. SO much for that,

I'll need to look who has the least posts atm.

when we are only ten hours into day one?

Hey, I never said these were good ideas,

[Jalan]

it's easier than fabricating any other type of sham case

[Cast]

Ni Hao, Kai-Lan! (am I doing it right?)

Guessing 2 and 2 seems a good number for scum.

[Hanas]

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

What, then, shall we turn to for contemplation in this hour of ignorance?

Let us turn to the man who has answers. Let us turn our backs on ignorance and hate rid and embrace tolerance and love.


Let us turn to our lord and savor Jesus Christ.

[Alkend]

Hanas, on 29 July 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

What, then, shall we turn to for contemplation in this hour of ignorance?

Let us turn to the man who has answers. Let us turn our backs on ignorance and hate rid and embrace tolerance and love.


Let us turn to our lord and savor Jesus Christ.

kirishitan! kirishitan!!!

[Barghast]

Hanas, on 29 July 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

What, then, shall we turn to for contemplation in this hour of ignorance?

Let us turn to the man who has answers. Let us turn our backs on ignorance and hate rid and embrace tolerance and love.


Let us turn to our lord and savor Jesus Christ.

google said:

• 
  sa·vor
  /ˈsāvər/
  [color=#878787 !important]Verb[/color]
  Taste (good food or drink) and enjoy it completely.[color=#878787 !important]Noun[/color]
  A characteristic taste, flavor, or smell, esp. a pleasant one.[color=#878787 !important]Synonyms[/color]
  verb. savour - taste - relish - smacknoun. savour - flavour - flavor - taste - relish - smack

now i"m hungry. thanks a lot

[Hanas]

Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

Hanas, on 29 July 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

What, then, shall we turn to for contemplation in this hour of ignorance?

Let us turn to the man who has answers. Let us turn our backs on ignorance and hate rid and embrace tolerance and love.


Let us turn to our lord and savor Jesus Christ.

google said:

• 
  sa·vor
  /ˈsāvər/
  [color=#878787 !important]Verb[/color]
  Taste (good food or drink) and enjoy it completely.[color=#878787 !important]Noun[/color]
  A characteristic taste, flavor, or smell, esp. a pleasant one.[color=#878787 !important]Synonyms[/color]
  verb. savour - taste - relish - smacknoun. savour - flavour - flavor - taste - relish - smack

now i"m hungry. thanks a lot

He tastes good. Why else would those people in black shirts feed him to their flocks every week.

[Eloth]

Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

and yes, throwing out number of killers doesn't do anything (unless they don't know each other). But throwing out spec about symps could be helpful to them. and problem with spec is, once ppl start they rarely know when to stop.

This is a good point. Make them figure out how that shit works without our help.