[Trake]

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 27 June 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

I don't find Tiamatha trustworthy. But I don't see a great case for lynching her. If she's Alera, then it can't be good for anybody non-Vord. If she's a Vord "spawn," we're going to spend the rest of the game lynching Vord spawn (with no real discussion; nobody is going to want to discuss anything when the lynch is obvious) and and relying on NAs to find the spawner.

If she's a generic Vord spawn, then we KNOW that all the new alts appearing are vord instead of having wishywashy WIFOM all game. Furthermore, we have this fancy thing called the ATTACK ability which is probably, oh I dont know, intended for being used to attack all the weak generic Vord armies while we try and lynch the more formidable queen(s)!


And if, IF somehow Tiam really is Alera, then her bonuses benefit us and the Vord anyways, in addition to her being her own independent faction that we cannot trust to work with us (ask the scum and town players from mafia 100 how well that worked out for them)

I don't think the Vord have furies. Additionally, by voting carefully (like for fortifications), the Vord are the only ones who suffer.

The Takers can take over people who do have furies. And the OP says they can recruit. Seems pretty damn unlikely to me they won't be able to use furies.

Well, then, like I said. We vote for abilities that only benefit us.
Using the Attack ability too much and too wildly is pretty bad. I don't know about you, but I don't have a pretty good picture of my faction right now. I'd be shooting in the dark. At least with voting, there's some kind of consensus. As well as that, at least some of the mechanics of the attacks and modifiers seem to rely on sharing squares with your target. Maybe you'll be lucky and hit someone, but there's a good chance you won't. Next, some of the passive abilities can protect you; it says this in the OP. Unless they were just placeholders, they seem pretty powerful, defensively. Finally, you can be healed.
For example, I was attacked last night, but also healed. The net damage to me was 0.

[Trake]

I need to go get some food right now. I should be back, at the latest, in about four hours. I'm leaving my vote because currently there's no risk of a train.

[Nimander Golit]

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 27 June 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

I don't find Tiamatha trustworthy. But I don't see a great case for lynching her. If she's Alera, then it can't be good for anybody non-Vord. If she's a Vord "spawn," we're going to spend the rest of the game lynching Vord spawn (with no real discussion; nobody is going to want to discuss anything when the lynch is obvious) and and relying on NAs to find the spawner.

If she's a generic Vord spawn, then we KNOW that all the new alts appearing are vord instead of having wishywashy WIFOM all game. Furthermore, we have this fancy thing called the ATTACK ability which is probably, oh I dont know, intended for being used to attack all the weak generic Vord armies while we try and lynch the more formidable queen(s)!


And if, IF somehow Tiam really is Alera, then her bonuses benefit us and the Vord anyways, in addition to her being her own independent faction that we cannot trust to work with us (ask the scum and town players from mafia 100 how well that worked out for them)

I don't think the Vord have furies. Additionally, by voting carefully (like for fortifications), the Vord are the only ones who suffer.

The Takers can take over people who do have furies. And the OP says they can recruit. Seems pretty damn unlikely to me they won't be able to use furies.

Well, then, like I said. We vote for abilities that only benefit us.
Using the Attack ability too much and too wildly is pretty bad. I don't know about you, but I don't have a pretty good picture of my faction right now. I'd be shooting in the dark. At least with voting, there's some kind of consensus. As well as that, at least some of the mechanics of the attacks and modifiers seem to rely on sharing squares with your target. Maybe you'll be lucky and hit someone, but there's a good chance you won't. Next, some of the passive abilities can protect you; it says this in the OP. Unless they were just placeholders, they seem pretty powerful, defensively. Finally, you can be healed.
For example, I was attacked last night, but also healed. The net damage to me was 0.

Okay, and I why do you think all of this was encapsulated into a character who is so "neutral" that they have no faction, no VCs that are counter to ours, and benefit everyone 'equally' - ie they have nothing to do all game - rather than just turned into a game-wide mechanic or another player's ability?

[Gait]

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:

Okaros, on 27 June 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

Okaros, on 27 June 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

I'm going to go on record and say I think Tiam is legit.
I'm also going to Vote Barghast
just because he's too quiet and I don't like that alt.

Derailing much?

Just like Gait yesterday, you dont give a reason for why you are defending someone, but unlike Gait, you go further and drop a vote on an alt that is completely unmentioned so far, with no explanation. In case Tiam is Alera, id rather lynch trake first to test if hes defending her because shes alera, or because shes vord.

Vote Trake

Barghast has two posts. The same as someone who was modkilled for inactivity. He's being too quiet. He's been mentioned earlier as being far too quiet, as well.
Also, didn't you call me out on voting for Gait when I should have stuck with Fener because he was the one being defended?

I did. But I was much more convinced Fener was vord(at the time) than i am that Tiam is. Id rather not kill a potential fury buffer until im sure theyre not one. I wasnt on when fener revealed, so i didnt feel any real hesitation at the time i voted, which was before Fener revealed he had a fire fury.

Fener wasn't really that likely to be a Vord at any stage. I voted for him when it came down to the wire because, like I said, he wasn't my leader and people were potentially protecting him. It didn't surprise me hugely when Fener revealed he had an anti-Vord Fire Fury, either. Nor should that have been taken too seriously at the time; fake reveals and all that. Especially given he said it'd take him two days to prove it. He was basically the most likely target that night and I wasn't going to waste a chance to get a CF. I just didn't like Gait for symping, hence my quick vote shift.
Today is a different situation entirely. Alera can actually prove her ability exists tonight. Her buffers could be extremely useful, especially for fortifying squares against the Vord infection, or for healing or guarding. Additionally, instead of repeating Day One and going for a witch-hunt on the most visible player (Tiam), we can put some pressure on the people who are sitting back and not commenting, just observing and being quiet. Maybe, maybe, we can lynch an alt.

How much of a retard are you? she explicitly said her ability is going to effect us at dawn 3.

[Pran Chole]

Well fuck son. That's a turn of events. I have to say I'm on the side of the cautiously optimistic regarding Tiam's reveal. Its TMDI 10+ which means anything can happen, and its too incredibly absurd to be an abrupt spitballing play by a new vord alt. Since its provable within 1 cycle I'm going to trust it for now. My votes are in.

In the meantime I'm starting to feel questionable about Trake. He points a lot of fingers but seems to back off pretty quickly if he doesn't get support. Is he looking for possible faction mates? Or is he a Vord alt trying to be super suspicious? I can't decide, so IGMEOY Trake.

Regarding Barghast, I believe he said something early in Day 1 about work bogging him down and that he'd be on today. Tempting the timer though. I see no reason to waste votes or thoughts on someone who is pushing his luck with a modkill.

Going to keep rereading thread for a while and see if I can't find myself enlightened in some fashion.

[Nimander Golit]

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Since its provable within 1 cycle I'm going to trust it for now.

AFAIR Alera hasn't said anything about her supposed ability being provable. Where did she say that?

[Path-Shaper]

MOD NOTE - I screwed up the Calderon tile update. It should show as 25 + 1. Sorry guys, lots of little things to keep track of in this game, and I just screwed up the count. Will update the start of day status update immediately.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 19 hours 50 minutes remaining.

Players alive: Alkend, Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nimander Golit, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

3 votes for Tiamatha (Ryllandaras, Demelain, Nimander Golit)
1 vote for Tellan (Ultama)
1 vote for Nimander Golit (Korbas)
1 vote for Barghast (Trake)


Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Tiamatha

[Pran Chole]

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Since its provable within 1 cycle I'm going to trust it for now.

AFAIR Alera hasn't said anything about her supposed ability being provable. Where did she say that?

1 cycle takes us to day 3, by that point its a safe hypothesis that we will have been informed by the mods that a fury has been empowered. If it has not been empowered then we know that Tiam is talking out of her precious little ass.

[Nimander Golit]

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Since its provable within 1 cycle I'm going to trust it for now.

AFAIR Alera hasn't said anything about her supposed ability being provable. Where did she say that?

1 cycle takes us to day 3, by that point its a safe hypothesis that we will have been informed by the mods that a fury has been empowered. If it has not been empowered then we know that Tiam is talking out of her precious little ass.

I don't recall Tiam making any promises that we would be able to observe any difference in our furies, just the vague promise that she could "enhance" them. I am sure that if we wait until day 3 she will then say that she did it but there's no direct mod message telling us so and/or that the element that got the most votes must not be the one we think it is, or some other crap.

[Hood's Path]

Not really here and not catching up. I sadly don't have time for that until tomorrow afternoon.

[Emurlahn]

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

MOD NOTE - I screwed up the Calderon tile update. It should show as 25 + 1. Sorry guys, lots of little things to keep track of in this game, and I just screwed up the count. Will update the start of day status update immediately.

Awkward. So my new thought I have is that Alera Imperia's fortifier moved to Ceres and used a Fortification action to add an additional +1. Calderon hasn't had anything different.

[Pran Chole]

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Since its provable within 1 cycle I'm going to trust it for now.

AFAIR Alera hasn't said anything about her supposed ability being provable. Where did she say that?

1 cycle takes us to day 3, by that point its a safe hypothesis that we will have been informed by the mods that a fury has been empowered. If it has not been empowered then we know that Tiam is talking out of her precious little ass.

I don't recall Tiam making any promises that we would be able to observe any difference in our furies, just the vague promise that she could "enhance" them. I am sure that if we wait until day 3 she will then say that she did it but there's no direct mod message telling us so and/or that the element that got the most votes must not be the one we think it is, or some other crap.

I have my hypothesis of how it works, you're welcome to disagree. For myself I'll be voting Tiamantha tomorrow if her reveal has remained uncorroborated.

[Demelain]

we wont know by tomorrow, we wont find out till the night after.

when we vote for the enhancement what does PS reply?


If PS says noted, then Tiam is the real deal.


remove vote



If this is just a random alt spawned to help fener then well played fener.

[Demelain]

Im off to bed but will be back on tomorrow.

[Barghast]

So I have 60 minutes to try to catch up from page 9. I apologize to all players and mods. My play has been non existant. I'm working on it. I have been butt raped by work and am also dealing with a vacation. I will do my best to help my team. But please bear with me for a bit.

[Emurlahn]

Here's the train: Liosan, Korbas, Okaros, Alkend, Trake, Gait, Hood's Path, Pran Chole, Emurlahn, Ultama, Demelain, Tellan


I reread the posts from all of these people and wrote down thoughts:



Liosan -- likes "futbol" which is worthy of a vote. Claimed Gait was symping Fener and started the Fener train.
Korbas -- voted Tiamatha quickly. Later voted Nimander without removing vote. Kind of sloppy, makes me think it could be someone in two alts. Doesn't like Liosan. Doesn't like Nimander, jumped on Nimander shortly after Nimander voted Tiamatha.
Okaros -- doesn't like Gait or Trake. Voted Fener because he thought Gait was symping Fener. But voted Trake for thinking Trake was symping Tiamatha. Inconsistent logic.
Alkend -- has said "Vord" or something about the Vord in almost half of his post count. Suspcious of Demelain.
Trake -- doesn't like Monok. Quoted Ryll when talking to Nimander. Doesn't like Ryll, Gait, or Fener. Said he can't use Earth furies.
Gait -- voted Ryll, accepted train on Fener. Heavily disliked lol...
HP -- not much here, voted for a lynch. Noticed he conversed with Demelain a few times... not the only person to do so. Maybe symping Demelain?
Pran -- Doesn't like Ryll, Nim, or Fener. Voted to get a lynch. Has mentioned "catching up" or "rereading" every time but doesn't offer much analysis. Doesn't like Trake.
Emurlahn -- paragon of innocence
Ultama -- doesn't like Tellan. Doesn't appear to like Gait or Emur (me). Supported Nimander earlier.
Demelain -- biggest poster other than Fener, could explain why he's constantly replied to. Suspicious of HP due to vote timing.
Tellan -- the hammer, hammered at 1 minute making it impossible to tell why Fener wasn't lynched. Doesn't like Trake. Suspicious of Alkend.


Alkend sticks out for the incessant discussion of "Vord." Tellan stands out for the crappy way he handled the lynch. Okaros was inconsistent in his voting reasons. Demelain may have been symped. Those are probably the four I'm looking at for a vote right now.

[Monok Ochem]

Tiamatha could be able to spy on PMs or something, and just wants everyone to reveal something about themselves. It would make choosing random alts easier if most people replied. Maybe it's Vord looking for Earth Furies. With that said, I'm not ready to believe this myself just yet. It reminds me more of a Loyalist info type of tactic.

You have to admit, if Tiam just made all that up to defend being a new spawned alt, then it's pretty good. It reminds me of something I would do.

[Ultama]

Tellan said:

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Ultama said:

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Tellan said:

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NOT to distract from questioning Tiam, as I think it's a good point they could be bullshitting the "I'm Alera" thingy, but I also wanted to look at yesterday's events:

Since I didn't feel the Fener lynch-attempt was reasonable after he started tossing us info (as well as the most likely idea that Vord were on the train), I looked over the lynch train and noticed Trake wasn't listed first? Though he did start the pressure:

You didn't think the lynch was valid but you voted a "hammer" at the wire.


Going with the theory that at least one of the votes on Fener wasn't valid:

Remove Vote


Vote Tellan

I was very open about me hammering regardless, for the sake of a CF. I, like others, had no way of knowing whether the multiple alt thing would affect the lynch or not, and because Fener looked busy typing up explanations instead of getting ready to self-hammer as stated, I didn't want to risk a guarantee of a no-lynch and at least try. A CF would've been something at least.

But I see where you're coming from. I just think it's going to be hard to really point at any one person and confidently state, "ah this is the 2nd alt!" or whatever.

Is this in reaction to me asking Trake similar things?

Sorta. I had other issues with you. But then I read Trake reply to your analysis of him. That first sentence was slightly strange. You thought Fener was becoming less likely to be vord due to Fener's reveal info. But then you hammer. At the last possible second. So yes I think ther was something off about it.

[Ultama]

Path-Shaper said:

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MOD NOTE - I screwed up the Calderon tile update. It should show as 25 + 1. Sorry guys, lots of little things to keep track of in this game, and I just screwed up the count. Will update the start of day status update immediately.

Blame it on the pissed off shitty kitty.