[Trake]

Emurlahn, on 27 June 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Here's the train: Liosan, Korbas, Okaros, Alkend, Trake, Gait, Hood's Path, Pran Chole, Emurlahn, Ultama, Demelain, Tellan

I reread the posts from all of these people and wrote down thoughts:


Liosan -- likes "futbol" which is worthy of a vote. Claimed Gait was symping Fener and started the Fener train.
Korbas -- voted Tiamatha quickly. Later voted Nimander without removing vote. Kind of sloppy, makes me think it could be someone in two alts. Doesn't like Liosan. Doesn't like Nimander, jumped on Nimander shortly after Nimander voted Tiamatha.
Okaros -- doesn't like Gait or Trake. Voted Fener because he thought Gait was symping Fener. But voted Trake for thinking Trake was symping Tiamatha. Inconsistent logic.
Alkend -- has said "Vord" or something about the Vord in almost half of his post count. Suspcious of Demelain.
Trake -- doesn't like Monok. Quoted Ryll when talking to Nimander. Doesn't like Ryll, Gait, or Fener. Said he can't use Earth furies.
Gait -- voted Ryll, accepted train on Fener. Heavily disliked lol...
HP -- not much here, voted for a lynch. Noticed he conversed with Demelain a few times... not the only person to do so. Maybe symping Demelain?
Pran -- Doesn't like Ryll, Nim, or Fener. Voted to get a lynch. Has mentioned "catching up" or "rereading" every time but doesn't offer much analysis. Doesn't like Trake.
Emurlahn -- paragon of innocence
Ultama -- doesn't like Tellan. Doesn't appear to like Gait or Emur (me). Supported Nimander earlier.
Demelain -- biggest poster other than Fener, could explain why he's constantly replied to. Suspicious of HP due to vote timing.
Tellan -- the hammer, hammered at 1 minute making it impossible to tell why Fener wasn't lynched. Doesn't like Trake. Suspicious of Alkend.

Alkend sticks out for the incessant discussion of "Vord." Tellan stands out for the crappy way he handled the lynch. Okaros was inconsistent in his voting reasons. Demelain may have been symped. Those are probably the four I'm looking at for a vote right now.

Woah now. I don't actually dislike Ryll. He made some sense on day one; he was thinking along the same lines as me, before he went a bit mad for a bit. But he was still a possible lynch target. If anything, I was just resigned to getting a lynch and a CF and he was a possibility.

[Trake]

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 27 June 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

I don't find Tiamatha trustworthy. But I don't see a great case for lynching her. If she's Alera, then it can't be good for anybody non-Vord. If she's a Vord "spawn," we're going to spend the rest of the game lynching Vord spawn (with no real discussion; nobody is going to want to discuss anything when the lynch is obvious) and and relying on NAs to find the spawner.

If she's a generic Vord spawn, then we KNOW that all the new alts appearing are vord instead of having wishywashy WIFOM all game. Furthermore, we have this fancy thing called the ATTACK ability which is probably, oh I dont know, intended for being used to attack all the weak generic Vord armies while we try and lynch the more formidable queen(s)!


And if, IF somehow Tiam really is Alera, then her bonuses benefit us and the Vord anyways, in addition to her being her own independent faction that we cannot trust to work with us (ask the scum and town players from mafia 100 how well that worked out for them)

I don't think the Vord have furies. Additionally, by voting carefully (like for fortifications), the Vord are the only ones who suffer.

The Takers can take over people who do have furies. And the OP says they can recruit. Seems pretty damn unlikely to me they won't be able to use furies.

Well, then, like I said. We vote for abilities that only benefit us.
Using the Attack ability too much and too wildly is pretty bad. I don't know about you, but I don't have a pretty good picture of my faction right now. I'd be shooting in the dark. At least with voting, there's some kind of consensus. As well as that, at least some of the mechanics of the attacks and modifiers seem to rely on sharing squares with your target. Maybe you'll be lucky and hit someone, but there's a good chance you won't. Next, some of the passive abilities can protect you; it says this in the OP. Unless they were just placeholders, they seem pretty powerful, defensively. Finally, you can be healed.
For example, I was attacked last night, but also healed. The net damage to me was 0.

Okay, and I why do you think all of this was encapsulated into a character who is so "neutral" that they have no faction, no VCs that are counter to ours, and benefit everyone 'equally' - ie they have nothing to do all game - rather than just turned into a game-wide mechanic or another player's ability?

That's her role in the books. Her fury stuff affects all fury people equally. Not just one. She's an ally of the First Aleran, but she can't do things that benefit them alone.

[Trake]

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Well fuck son. That's a turn of events. I have to say I'm on the side of the cautiously optimistic regarding Tiam's reveal. Its TMDI 10+ which means anything can happen, and its too incredibly absurd to be an abrupt spitballing play by a new vord alt. Since its provable within 1 cycle I'm going to trust it for now. My votes are in.

In the meantime I'm starting to feel questionable about Trake. He points a lot of fingers but seems to back off pretty quickly if he doesn't get support. Is he looking for possible faction mates? Or is he a Vord alt trying to be super suspicious? I can't decide, so IGMEOY Trake.

Regarding Barghast, I believe he said something early in Day 1 about work bogging him down and that he'd be on today. Tempting the timer though. I see no reason to waste votes or thoughts on someone who is pushing his luck with a modkill.

Going to keep rereading thread for a while and see if I can't find myself enlightened in some fashion.

I'm just seeing which way the wind blows and how people respond to pressure. I also don't see the point wasting my vote on someone if no one else is going to even entertain the debate and if I don't even have circumstantial evidence, merely a feeling.

[Emurlahn]

Trake voted Gait in the belief that Gait straight up symped Fener (interesting that Trake didn't vote Nimander, who also just voted for Gait). But the relevant quote here is Okaros, who pointed out Trake was voting for an alleged symp. You vote the master, not the symp. Sound logic. Side note: this also caused Trake to change his vote.

Okaros, on 26 June 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

Trake, on 26 June 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

Gait, on 26 June 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 26 June 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

<snip>

vote Ryllandaras

Honestly, I agree with NG when he says Ryll is throwing all the shit can around. so I will vote him now.

Vote Ryll.

I will vote Fener if needed for a lynch but I wouldn't like a Fener lynch.

What is it with you and Fener? You're not even being subtle about it.
You defend him once, and now you're saying you don't want to lynch him unless you're forced to, without anything backing that up? Just "I wouldn't like it?"
I don't know what you're playing at here, but it looks like you're either really defending Fener, or you're trying to get him lynched. Either way..
Remove vote
Vote Gait

it's simple mafia logic. You vote the master, not the symp. If Gait is symping fener, then you should vote fener. If he's fake symping him, and we lynch fener, then we learn more about Gait. Either way, we learn something.

I say fener is the better choice.

Vote Fener

Interestingly enough, it's Trake agains that's the target of Okaros's reply here. Once again, Okaros chides Trake for a vote. One might view that as sympish behavior, but Okaros then votes Trake. Making it a little less likely. Interesting points, but the main relevance of this quote is that Okaros is voting Trake for exhibiting symp behavior (in this case, Trake symping Tiamatha). But this is inconsistent with Day 1. In Day 1 he votes Fener because Gait (among others) is believed to be symping Fener. In Day 2, Okaros says Trake is symping Tiamatha... but then votes Trake, the supposed symp. The reasoning: if Trake is Vord, Tiamatha is probably Vord, too. If Trake is not Vord, that means Tiamatha is likely Alera?

Okaros, on 27 June 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

I'm going to go on record and say I think Tiam is legit.
I'm also going to Vote Barghast
just because he's too quiet and I don't like that alt.

Derailing much?

Just like Gait yesterday, you dont give a reason for why you are defending someone, but unlike Gait, you go further and drop a vote on an alt that is completely unmentioned so far, with no explanation. In case Tiam is Alera, id rather lynch trake first to test if hes defending her because shes alera, or because shes vord.

Vote Trake

I can see his point... don't risk lynching a powerful ally when lynching a symp can potentially give useful information, but it goes against his logic from Day 1.

Vote Okaros

[Trake]

Ultama, on 27 June 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Sorta. I had other issues with you. But then I read Trake reply to your analysis of him. That first sentence was slightly strange. You thought Fener was becoming less likely to be vord due to Fener's reveal info. But then you hammer. At the last possible second. So yes I think ther was something off about it.

I don't think Tellan did that maliciously. If he wanted to be quiet and not reveal he was in control of alts, he wouldn't have voted at all; then the day would have ended a minute later, possibly without a hammer, and there was a chance we wouldn't have known what was going on. In Tellan's position I would have done the same, because CF is better than no CF.

[Sheltatha Lore]

I've done a skimming readup, and I think I have a basic grasp of what's going on. My instincts scream to lynch Fener, call BS on Tiam.

But most of all, for the first time in one of these games based on books that I haven't read, I feel that the knowledge I'm missing from not having read them is really going to hurt my chances of understanding what's actually happening.

[Trake]

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 June 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

I've done a skimming readup, and I think I have a basic grasp of what's going on. My instincts scream to lynch Fener, call BS on Tiam.

But most of all, for the first time in one of these games based on books that I haven't read, I feel that the knowledge I'm missing from not having read them is really going to hurt my chances of understanding what's actually happening.

I haven't read them either. I've just been absorbing Wiki pages. I think I'm doing alright.

[Kedeviss]

Nimander Golit said:

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Pran Chole said:

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Nimander Golit said:

1372362519[/url]' post='1066659']

Pran Chole said:

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Since its provable within 1 cycle I'm going to trust it for now.

AFAIR Alera hasn't said anything about her supposed ability being provable. Where did she say that?

1 cycle takes us to day 3, by that point its a safe hypothesis that we will have been informed by the mods that a fury has been empowered. If it has not been empowered then we know that Tiam is talking out of her precious little ass.

I don't recall Tiam making any promises that we would be able to observe any difference in our furies, just the vague promise that she could "enhance" them. I am sure that if we wait until day 3 she will then say that she did it but there's no direct mod message telling us so and/or that the element that got the most votes must not be the one we think it is, or some other crap.

It sounds like the reason the power-up takes another cycle to go into effect is so that we know which one was enhanced. Otherwise, it would just be a guessing game as to which fury got more powerful. The quote from Tiam below implies that we will find out.

Quote

YOU HAVE TO SEND YOUR VOTE BY THE END OF NIGHT - AND THE BUFF WILL COUNT NOT TOWARDS THE FOLLOWING DAWN, BUT THE DAWN AFTER (so that you know which buff you have, if any, and how best to use it)

Still that said, this is a strange addition to the game. No notes on this mechanic in the OP, no mod discussion/clarification saying to send in votes. In the books, Alera interacts with Sextus and Tavi alone. They work together to decide how to best use Alera's power for the benefit of the realm. It is no democracy, and I doubt the other lords even know of her existence. For a 10+ game, I'm willing to go benefit of the doubt and see if we get an announcement as to which fury is empowered tomorrow. Still, it's odd.

[Fener]

Okay, in very very briefly. Some questions for Tiam:

Are these votes iron man?

Does the strength of your buff vary depending on the aspect? - water gets +2, earth +3 for instance

When are the results of this vote announced?

Which tile did Gaius create you on?

Sorry Tiam but less polite as I'm about to get very busy.

Back in a long time.

[Fener]

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

Ultama, on 27 June 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Sorta. I had other issues with you. But then I read Trake reply to your analysis of him. That first sentence was slightly strange. You thought Fener was becoming less likely to be vord due to Fener's reveal info. But then you hammer. At the last possible second. So yes I think ther was something off about it.

I don't think Tellan did that maliciously. If he wanted to be quiet and not reveal he was in control of alts, he wouldn't have voted at all; then the day would have ended a minute later, possibly without a hammer, and there was a chance we wouldn't have known what was going on. In Tellan's position I would have done the same, because CF is better than no CF.

My self-hammer was written out in another tab waiting on me to submit it, I was typing out another bit of info to go on, posted it early when realising the time, saw the hammer had come in, deleted last post and closed my own hammer tab. So if anyone was wondering the deleted post wasn't a self-hammer, that never made it as far as the board. Then realised I wasn't actually dead.

[Mockra]

Oh-kay.......I've just spent the best part of an hour trying to get my tired brain around this Tiam business.

First thing I want to say is that having read through, I'm worried that some good speculation and analysis posts are being lost in the general focus on Tiam. Interest in Fener and the lynch train has almost entirely died down, or been drowned out by the posts from/about Tiam. The non-lynch of Fener is a setback to some extent in my books, even if he isn't Vord. The way I see it is like this: If it really was the case that an alt with no vote power was on the train, then, if there had been time to put extra votes on, we could have seen how many more votes it took to lynch, i.e. how many non-votes were on the train. That could have been useful info.

From what I understand from the wiki with regard to Alera, she's a fury who Gaius Sextus and Tavi interact with, is that correct? Doesn't sound like something with an 'everyone vote' angle to me. And these two guys at least might know whether this is all make-believe or not, though I don't expect them to share.

I'm willing to wait and see if Tiam comes back again in however many hours to answer more questions before deciding on what I'm going to do. Someone (I think Nimander?) said what sounded like a good point to me - why is Alera an alt and not just a mechanic - that's a question I'd like to see answered.

[Tellan]

Fener, on 28 June 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

Ultama, on 27 June 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Sorta. I had other issues with you. But then I read Trake reply to your analysis of him. That first sentence was slightly strange. You thought Fener was becoming less likely to be vord due to Fener's reveal info. But then you hammer. At the last possible second. So yes I think ther was something off about it.

I don't think Tellan did that maliciously. If he wanted to be quiet and not reveal he was in control of alts, he wouldn't have voted at all; then the day would have ended a minute later, possibly without a hammer, and there was a chance we wouldn't have known what was going on. In Tellan's position I would have done the same, because CF is better than no CF.

My self-hammer was written out in another tab waiting on me to submit it, I was typing out another bit of info to go on, posted it early when realising the time, saw the hammer had come in, deleted last post and closed my own hammer tab. So if anyone was wondering the deleted post wasn't a self-hammer, that never made it as far as the board. Then realised I wasn't actually dead.

It was definitely not malicious on my part, and as Trake graciously pointed out, I wanted both a CF and to wait as long as possible to allow Fener to tell us what he wanted to. Imo, it was wifom-y to assume Fener really was going to self-vote (sorry, this is mafia and you never know), hence me hammering in the last minute. And of course, if no one hammered, we wouldn't even know at this point that there is some sort of double alt on the train and/or Fener has an LP (the latter I don't think so but whatever).

Popped in to say I really doubt Tiam's claims. Unfortunately, I have nothing to back that up, but then again, I'm not the one telling everyone I'm Alera and whatnot in the first place. >___>

I don't know if I have anything else to say, I've been sort of keeping up with the thread throughout the day, but lemme read back over these last few pages.

[Tellan]

Tiamatha, on 27 June 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

-snip-

Edit 2: I've been allowed to add a bit more now as I should have told you this bit too:

IF THERE IS A TIE BETWEEN TWO OR MORE, MODS CHOOSE THROUGH RANDOMISER.

^This edit... I mean, that's either a really good move for someone faking it, or it's a sign she's not bullshitting us? I honestly can't tell which, but I thought it was interesting enough to point out at least...

[Kedeviss]

Mockra said:

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-snip-

From what I understand from the wiki with regard to Alera, she's a fury who Gaius Sextus and Tavi interact with, is that correct? Doesn't sound like something with an 'everyone vote' angle to me. And these two guys at least might know whether this is all make-believe or not, though I don't expect them to share.

I'm willing to wait and see if Tiam comes back again in however many hours to answer more questions before deciding on what I'm going to do. Someone (I think Nimander?) said what sounded like a good point to me - why is Alera an alt and not just a mechanic - that's a question I'd like to see answered.

this is basically the point I was making. And yes, you are correct about Alera, which is why I thought the everyone votes mechanic is weird. If anything, I would have thought Alera as an alt would be lovers with Sextus and Tavi, who both would have some method of accessing her powers.

Like I said though, I'm willing to give it a day and see what happens. I'd like to see the questions that Fener posed answered too.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 14 hours 38 minutes remaining.

Players alive: Alkend, Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nimander Golit, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

2 votes for Tiamatha (Ryllandaras, Nimander Golit)
1 vote for Tellan (Ultama)
1 vote for Nimander Golit (Korbas)
1 vote for Barghast (Trake)
1 vote for Okaros (Emurlahn)


Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, Demelain, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Tiamatha 

[Nimander Golit]

Kedeviss, on 28 June 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Since its provable within 1 cycle I'm going to trust it for now.

AFAIR Alera hasn't said anything about her supposed ability being provable. Where did she say that?

1 cycle takes us to day 3, by that point its a safe hypothesis that we will have been informed by the mods that a fury has been empowered. If it has not been empowered then we know that Tiam is talking out of her precious little ass.

I don't recall Tiam making any promises that we would be able to observe any difference in our furies, just the vague promise that she could "enhance" them. I am sure that if we wait until day 3 she will then say that she did it but there's no direct mod message telling us so and/or that the element that got the most votes must not be the one we think it is, or some other crap.

It sounds like the reason the power-up takes another cycle to go into effect is so that we know which one was enhanced. Otherwise, it would just be a guessing game as to which fury got more powerful. The quote from Tiam below implies that we will find out.

Quote

YOU HAVE TO SEND YOUR VOTE BY THE END OF NIGHT - AND THE BUFF WILL COUNT NOT TOWARDS THE FOLLOWING DAWN, BUT THE DAWN AFTER (so that you know which buff you have, if any, and how best to use it)

Still that said, this is a strange addition to the game. No notes on this mechanic in the OP, no mod discussion/clarification saying to send in votes. In the books, Alera interacts with Sextus and Tavi alone. They work together to decide how to best use Alera's power for the benefit of the realm. It is no democracy, and I doubt the other lords even know of her existence. For a 10+ game, I'm willing to go benefit of the doubt and see if we get an announcement as to which fury is empowered tomorrow. Still, it's odd.

I see, but that makes even less sense, then. Why would there be no mention/confirmation of it by the mods beforehand if they then have to confirm it on the in-between day? I'll give you 99% odds that if Tiam is alive tomorrow she says "Oh no, silly, the mods STILL won't say anything about it, now I will tell you what the vote result was from last night."

It's all just way too fishy for me.

As for what someone said above about how in the books she helps the First Aleran - that is only because Tavi happens to be the one speaking with her. Alera states that she flat out doesn't give a shit about anyone, and so far Tiam is following on that. So if she were a character in this game, what are her VCs? Either she's a member of the First Aleran and has those VCs, which is contradictory to her nature in the book, or else she is an independent and you can trust her about as much as Pai Mei or Spysat117. It's really, really easy to fake reveal when you're an independent like that - you just reveal your entire role as normal but change the VCs/faction to match the most "innocent" faction. Go read the Kill Bill game to see a great example. So either you shouldn't trust Tiam because she's an independent, or else you shouldn't trust her because her reveal doesn't make sense.

[Trake]

Nimander Golit, on 28 June 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

Kedeviss, on 28 June 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Since its provable within 1 cycle I'm going to trust it for now.

AFAIR Alera hasn't said anything about her supposed ability being provable. Where did she say that?

1 cycle takes us to day 3, by that point its a safe hypothesis that we will have been informed by the mods that a fury has been empowered. If it has not been empowered then we know that Tiam is talking out of her precious little ass.

I don't recall Tiam making any promises that we would be able to observe any difference in our furies, just the vague promise that she could "enhance" them. I am sure that if we wait until day 3 she will then say that she did it but there's no direct mod message telling us so and/or that the element that got the most votes must not be the one we think it is, or some other crap.

It sounds like the reason the power-up takes another cycle to go into effect is so that we know which one was enhanced. Otherwise, it would just be a guessing game as to which fury got more powerful. The quote from Tiam below implies that we will find out.

Quote

YOU HAVE TO SEND YOUR VOTE BY THE END OF NIGHT - AND THE BUFF WILL COUNT NOT TOWARDS THE FOLLOWING DAWN, BUT THE DAWN AFTER (so that you know which buff you have, if any, and how best to use it)

Still that said, this is a strange addition to the game. No notes on this mechanic in the OP, no mod discussion/clarification saying to send in votes. In the books, Alera interacts with Sextus and Tavi alone. They work together to decide how to best use Alera's power for the benefit of the realm. It is no democracy, and I doubt the other lords even know of her existence. For a 10+ game, I'm willing to go benefit of the doubt and see if we get an announcement as to which fury is empowered tomorrow. Still, it's odd.

I see, but that makes even less sense, then. Why would there be no mention/confirmation of it by the mods beforehand if they then have to confirm it on the in-between day? I'll give you 99% odds that if Tiam is alive tomorrow she says "Oh no, silly, the mods STILL won't say anything about it, now I will tell you what the vote result was from last night."

It's all just way too fishy for me.

As for what someone said above about how in the books she helps the First Aleran - that is only because Tavi happens to be the one speaking with her. Alera states that she flat out doesn't give a shit about anyone, and so far Tiam is following on that. So if she were a character in this game, what are her VCs? Either she's a member of the First Aleran and has those VCs, which is contradictory to her nature in the book, or else she is an independent and you can trust her about as much as Pai Mei or Spysat117. It's really, really easy to fake reveal when you're an independent like that - you just reveal your entire role as normal but change the VCs/faction to match the most "innocent" faction. Go read the Kill Bill game to see a great example. So either you shouldn't trust Tiam because she's an independent, or else you shouldn't trust her because her reveal doesn't make sense.

If she tells us what the vote result is, we can all simply put down what we voted for, and if it doesn't match up, we can lynch her senseless. If she doesn't tell us, we can lynch her senseless. It's too risky a play this early.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 13 hours 34 minutes remaining.

Players alive: Alkend, Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nimander Golit, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

2 votes for Tiamatha (Ryllandaras, Nimander Golit)
1 vote for Tellan (Ultama)
1 vote for Nimander Golit (Korbas)
1 vote for Barghast (Trake)
1 vote for Okaros (Emurlahn)


Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, Demelain, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Tiamatha  


And with that, this mod is going to bed. Next update whenever Venge gets to it tomorrow morning!

[Sheltatha Lore]

@Trake, yeah, and we can just presume everyone will tell the truth about how we voted?

"Wait and see that what I said is true" is the sort of play for time that gets me jumpy and nervous. I want information more than I want promises of future information delivered. Maybe this early in the game we can afford it, but in tmdi 10 im not so confident.

I will probably vote tiam, because some allegedly neutral player pushing a message of necessity on all of us seems unreasonable in a game like this. Even if they are exactly who they say they are, which i give long odds on, i dont think it will hurt any particular teama chance of winning because im not sure how that could work for balance in the game design.

[Nimander Golit]

Trake, on 28 June 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 28 June 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

Kedeviss, on 28 June 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 June 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 27 June 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Since its provable within 1 cycle I'm going to trust it for now.

AFAIR Alera hasn't said anything about her supposed ability being provable. Where did she say that?

1 cycle takes us to day 3, by that point its a safe hypothesis that we will have been informed by the mods that a fury has been empowered. If it has not been empowered then we know that Tiam is talking out of her precious little ass.

I don't recall Tiam making any promises that we would be able to observe any difference in our furies, just the vague promise that she could "enhance" them. I am sure that if we wait until day 3 she will then say that she did it but there's no direct mod message telling us so and/or that the element that got the most votes must not be the one we think it is, or some other crap.

It sounds like the reason the power-up takes another cycle to go into effect is so that we know which one was enhanced. Otherwise, it would just be a guessing game as to which fury got more powerful. The quote from Tiam below implies that we will find out.

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YOU HAVE TO SEND YOUR VOTE BY THE END OF NIGHT - AND THE BUFF WILL COUNT NOT TOWARDS THE FOLLOWING DAWN, BUT THE DAWN AFTER (so that you know which buff you have, if any, and how best to use it)

Still that said, this is a strange addition to the game. No notes on this mechanic in the OP, no mod discussion/clarification saying to send in votes. In the books, Alera interacts with Sextus and Tavi alone. They work together to decide how to best use Alera's power for the benefit of the realm. It is no democracy, and I doubt the other lords even know of her existence. For a 10+ game, I'm willing to go benefit of the doubt and see if we get an announcement as to which fury is empowered tomorrow. Still, it's odd.

I see, but that makes even less sense, then. Why would there be no mention/confirmation of it by the mods beforehand if they then have to confirm it on the in-between day? I'll give you 99% odds that if Tiam is alive tomorrow she says "Oh no, silly, the mods STILL won't say anything about it, now I will tell you what the vote result was from last night."

It's all just way too fishy for me.

As for what someone said above about how in the books she helps the First Aleran - that is only because Tavi happens to be the one speaking with her. Alera states that she flat out doesn't give a shit about anyone, and so far Tiam is following on that. So if she were a character in this game, what are her VCs? Either she's a member of the First Aleran and has those VCs, which is contradictory to her nature in the book, or else she is an independent and you can trust her about as much as Pai Mei or Spysat117. It's really, really easy to fake reveal when you're an independent like that - you just reveal your entire role as normal but change the VCs/faction to match the most "innocent" faction. Go read the Kill Bill game to see a great example. So either you shouldn't trust Tiam because she's an independent, or else you shouldn't trust her because her reveal doesn't make sense.

If she tells us what the vote result is, we can all simply put down what we voted for, and if it doesn't match up, we can lynch her senseless. If she doesn't tell us, we can lynch her senseless. It's too risky a play this early.

Today is day 2. On day 3, Tiam will claim that the mods don't announce anything and only she knows what the vote result is. On day 4, she will claim that the mods don't announce anything or tell the players that their abilities were enhanced, and she'll give you some plausible explanation of it having been an enhancement effect that we can't tell (after all, she never said that if it was an Earth enhancement it would increase fortification power - she'll say it does something else that is not prove-able).

So you're going to just trust that the supposed independent player has magic beneficial effects and is helping you purely out of the kindness of their heart, and is not furthering their own agenda, all the way until day 4? Sounds real smart...