[Tattersail_]

I gave explored three times and influenced twice. So 5 discs so far. My upkeep from the board without me colonising money planet, is this. 2 (what I start with) + 6 (my income) - 5 (I think, actions used)

[Tattersail_]

Your income gnaw is 2 plus 4, so 6. The numbers are blurred but I think your actions will be minus 5 at.the moment, I need to be on a computer to see better. It's hard to look on mobile.

[Gnaw]

Ganoes Paran, on 12 May 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Your income gnaw is 2 plus 4, so 6. The numbers are blurred but I think your actions will be minus 5 at.the moment, I need to be on a computer to see better. It's hard to look on mobile.

2 base + the number revealed by pop cubes? I thought it was just the number uncovered.


Edit: from game 2 "1. Mentally compute your net money: [Money in bank] + [Income money] - [Upkeep]


(Upkeep is the left-most negative number showing on your influence track. The more hexes you control and actions you take, the higher it will be.)

(Your income is the left-most number showing in your population tracks. The more population cubes you place on the board through colonization, or put on ambassadors through trade pacts, the higher your income will be.)"

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 12 May 2013 - 09:40 PM

[Gnaw]

And is placing the muon source an upgrade action?

Edit: from game 2

"Ancient Ship Parts - When you discover any of the ancient ship parts, you can immediately place it upon your ship blueprints for free. You can remove one ship part tile in order to replace it with the ancient ship part. Alternatively, you can keep the ancient ship part beside your player board and add it later using the upgrade action, but even if you never use it you will not gain the 2 VP from having skipped the bonus. Once an ancient ship part has been placed on your blueprints, if it is ever removed it is discarded."

That's where I got the idea it was a one time use thing. Should have read closer. So, since I didn't immediately place it to do so now will cost an upgrade. bummer.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 12 May 2013 - 09:47 PM

[Gnaw]

Snape, now that we've got a couple of turns under out belt go back and reread D'rek's posts in the game 2 thread. They make much more sense now.

[Gnaw]

Gnaw, on 12 May 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 12 May 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 12 May 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Explore south from Epsilon,

Gnaw, you know how upkeep works right?

Currently you have done 3 explores, and have claimed 3 systems, plus your homesystem... that leaves you at -7 upkeep, which you can't afford (you only have 6 income) now that isn't necessarily a bad thing as it means you can remove one influence disc from the empty tile you colonised. However if you do another explore that puts you at -10 upkeep, or -13 if you colonise the system you discover. Even if the tile you discover has a money planet, you'd still only be able to afford an upkeep of 8, so you would have to remove a influence disc from your empty system and one of your brown planet systems, if it doesn't have a money tile you still have to remove one influence disc from a brown planet system or both your influence discs from these two planets if you choose to colonise the system and keep it.

Now this is a valid strategy as you could find a very good system or a useful discovery tile, but just wanted to make sure you knew exactly what you are risking when you do another explore, you will have to lose one of the systems you claimed.

Also did you decide where you are putting you muon source? i don't see it in your first post

Do I know what I'm doing? Doh. No.

You're saying simply doing the explore costs an infulence? Was not aware of that. heh. So when CF updates the map, I'll lose one for exploring and one for colonizing? Taking me to -10. Pulling the influence disc from Epsilon takes that back to -7. The pop cube will take me to 6 income. Meaning as it stands, I'll lose one money from storage, right?

The muon source is a one time use thing right; it only applies to one specific ship not all of them and is destroyed if that is destroyed? I was going to save it for a starbase or dreadnaught.

Oh fuck. Money is orange not brown. :

I be dum.

So no exploring for me.

[Gnaw]

I pass. same rotation.

[Gnaw]

If I pull the influence disc from the empty disc during upkeep, I can't explore from it next round without putting a disc back on it right?

[Gnaw]

Since CF hasn't actually did the update does anyone mind if I switch my diplomacy cube color? If somebody does just say so or send a PM to CF.

[Solidsnape]

I don't mind one jot.

[Tattersail_]

We can wait and see what CF says. I don't think it will be a problem.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 10 May 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

@GP/Tatts - this may be a bad time, but I'm curious as to what you're planning to do next and whether you are going to explore north of Pollux. I've been staring at the map a bit too much today, I don't like the idea of you taking that hex and then us making diplomatic relations. If you did, then I would take the tier 2 hex below my homeworld, and I am very unlikely to get a hex there that I can orient away from both the hex north of Pollux and Morgy's tier 2 hex (I assume he wants that one). Thus, I end up with both that tier 2 hex and Beta Leonis as border hexes with at least 4 wormhole routes into them, and if I ever want to take the GC I then end up with 3 border hexes and even more wormholes. Yeah, we'd have diplomatic relations, but I'd be very worried about you using that as a foothold to jump to Rigel and I'd have to spread my forces out a lot to cover that possibility.

In short, I don't think I'd be comfortable with it and I'll end up attacking you to reduce my border hexes and consolidate my defenses better.

I'd much rather grab that hex myself, and orient my tier 2 hex south of Rigel away from Morgy so that that one hex can be my sole border hex to both you and Morgy. Being able to plop a couple starbases in a single "doorway" hex would ease my nerves a lot more and allow us to keep a harmonious diplomatic relations and exchange going.

I just seen this, I was very drunk on Friday. I am going to explore north of Pollux, from what you said here it'd probably be wise for me to orient away from you so that you do not immediately attack me. It will most likely be an ancient anyway. I already have two players with access to my hexes. I would open Diplo with you if I get the chance but it looks like you would rather have my hexes than be friendly.

[D'rek]

Ganoes Paran, on 13 May 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

D, on 10 May 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

@GP/Tatts - this may be a bad time, but I'm curious as to what you're planning to do next and whether you are going to explore north of Pollux. I've been staring at the map a bit too much today, I don't like the idea of you taking that hex and then us making diplomatic relations. If you did, then I would take the tier 2 hex below my homeworld, and I am very unlikely to get a hex there that I can orient away from both the hex north of Pollux and Morgy's tier 2 hex (I assume he wants that one). Thus, I end up with both that tier 2 hex and Beta Leonis as border hexes with at least 4 wormhole routes into them, and if I ever want to take the GC I then end up with 3 border hexes and even more wormholes. Yeah, we'd have diplomatic relations, but I'd be very worried about you using that as a foothold to jump to Rigel and I'd have to spread my forces out a lot to cover that possibility.

In short, I don't think I'd be comfortable with it and I'll end up attacking you to reduce my border hexes and consolidate my defenses better.

I'd much rather grab that hex myself, and orient my tier 2 hex south of Rigel away from Morgy so that that one hex can be my sole border hex to both you and Morgy. Being able to plop a couple starbases in a single "doorway" hex would ease my nerves a lot more and allow us to keep a harmonious diplomatic relations and exchange going.

I just seen this, I was very drunk on Friday. I am going to explore north of Pollux, from what you said here it'd probably be wise for me to orient away from you so that you do not immediately attack me. It will most likely be an ancient anyway. I already have two players with access to my hexes. I would open Diplo with you if I get the chance but it looks like you would rather have my hexes than be friendly.

Oh sure, make me the bad guy when I express concerns about you putting an obvious giant foothold towards me.

And you can't orient it away from me - all the tier 1s left will end up with you having to put wormholes towards the N in that spot since you are exploring from the south.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 13 May 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 13 May 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

D, on 10 May 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

@GP/Tatts - this may be a bad time, but I'm curious as to what you're planning to do next and whether you are going to explore north of Pollux. I've been staring at the map a bit too much today, I don't like the idea of you taking that hex and then us making diplomatic relations. If you did, then I would take the tier 2 hex below my homeworld, and I am very unlikely to get a hex there that I can orient away from both the hex north of Pollux and Morgy's tier 2 hex (I assume he wants that one). Thus, I end up with both that tier 2 hex and Beta Leonis as border hexes with at least 4 wormhole routes into them, and if I ever want to take the GC I then end up with 3 border hexes and even more wormholes. Yeah, we'd have diplomatic relations, but I'd be very worried about you using that as a foothold to jump to Rigel and I'd have to spread my forces out a lot to cover that possibility.

In short, I don't think I'd be comfortable with it and I'll end up attacking you to reduce my border hexes and consolidate my defenses better.

I'd much rather grab that hex myself, and orient my tier 2 hex south of Rigel away from Morgy so that that one hex can be my sole border hex to both you and Morgy. Being able to plop a couple starbases in a single "doorway" hex would ease my nerves a lot more and allow us to keep a harmonious diplomatic relations and exchange going.

I just seen this, I was very drunk on Friday. I am going to explore north of Pollux, from what you said here it'd probably be wise for me to orient away from you so that you do not immediately attack me. It will most likely be an ancient anyway. I already have two players with access to my hexes. I would open Diplo with you if I get the chance but it looks like you would rather have my hexes than be friendly.

Oh sure, make me the bad guy when I express concerns about you putting an obvious giant foothold towards me.

And you can't orient it away from me - all the tier 1s left will end up with you having to put wormholes towards the N in that spot since you are exploring from the south.

I don't think it is as big a foothold as you mention, I already have two players connecting to my hexes. If I do explore I can orient it away from your tier 1 hex and you'd have to explore south of hex 232, that could also be an ancient or you may not be able to connect to the hex I draw.

[Morgoth]

D'rek, you forgot to finish that last sentence there with muahahahAHAHAHAHAHA.. ahem.

[cerveza_fiesta]

sorry. Had errands to run this morning. working on a board update now.

[D'rek]

Ganoes Paran, on 13 May 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

I don't think it is as big a foothold as you mention, I already have two players connecting to my hexes. If I do explore I can orient it away from your tier 1 hex and you'd have to explore south of hex 232, that could also be an ancient or you may not be able to connect to the hex I draw.

Well I think it is, and will act accordingly. I won't necessarily pursue into Pollux, but I'm not going to leave a big orange hex right on my doorstep, either. Especially considering you probably don't care about anything except obliterating me, this game.

As for orienting the hexes, good luck with that. The three tier 1s left are two 5-wormhole hexes and one two-and-two hex, so you're guaranteed a northern wormhole, while of the tier-2 hexes left there's only two hexes left that if I explored there would not give me a southern wormhole. So your hopes of avoiding a N-S wormhole is extremely optimistic.

Not to mention, you have a 66% chance of getting ancients when you explore north, so why even bother wasting the influence disc?

[D'rek]

Morgoth, on 13 May 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

D'rek, you forgot to finish that last sentence there with muahahahAHAHAHAHAHA.. ahem.

I didn't have enough money to afford the lung treatments to keep laughing like that...

[Khellendros]

Morgoth, on 13 May 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

D'rek, you forgot to finish that last sentence there with muahahahAHAHAHAHAHA.. ahem.

I watched Troll Hunter yesterday - very enjoyable film.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 13 May 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 13 May 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

I don't think it is as big a foothold as you mention, I already have two players connecting to my hexes. If I do explore I can orient it away from your tier 1 hex and you'd have to explore south of hex 232, that could also be an ancient or you may not be able to connect to the hex I draw.

Well I think it is, and will act accordingly. I won't necessarily pursue into Pollux, but I'm not going to leave a big orange hex right on my doorstep, either. Especially considering you probably don't care about anything except obliterating me, this game.

As for orienting the hexes, good luck with that. The three tier 1s left are two 5-wormhole hexes and one two-and-two hex, so you're guaranteed a northern wormhole, while of the tier-2 hexes left there's only two hexes left that if I explored there would not give me a southern wormhole. So your hopes of avoiding a N-S wormhole is extremely optimistic.

Not to mention, you have a 66% chance of getting ancients when you explore north, so why even bother wasting the influence disc?

I am not focused your way at all, in fact it is only because i'm in this position that I am discussing things with you. I am not Anti D'rek, I just wanted to explore that way rather than leave you with all the good hexes whilst I have to expand into tier 3.