[goofy5507]

Damn this teaser really makes me want to read Assail. Hope Esslemont is up to this since it is now confirmed that a lot of threads will come together in this one, both set up by Erikson and himself. I mean Silverfox has disappeared since the book three, and Assail has been hyped ever since. Also Calbrinn has been hyped since a long way back. As to the identity of the Tiste Andii I have no idea but why do you guys think it could be Andarist? Didn't he die defending the throne of shadow way back in Hoc or MoI? And yeah it better not be Rake, he should stay dead, his sacrifice was just way to epic to bring him back though he is one of my 5 favorite characters in series, and though dead is never really definitly dead in the Malazan world, I would just hate to see him brought back. As to whiteblade being Kyle that does seem plausible though I don't really remember how his story ended after he and Greymane ended up at Korel, but the phrase 'who once fought for the Malazans' does make it less likely to me, though I have clue who it could be otherwise. Also hope we get to see some familiar faces in the group Fisher is bringing with him!!


Damn really can't wait, another 6 months to go, will be an ideal christmas present though!!

[Abyss]

Kyle was Greymane's aide in SW and helped the malazans himself a few times. It's totally him. I think.

The mystery Andi... Tough call. Rake is plausible but too obvious. Gallan was a poet, not a mage or warrior. Draconus, or possibly his echo Morn are possible. Orfantal seemed pretty dead. Clip was just sitting in Nimander's basement...

[tiam]

Abyss, on 14 June 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

Kyle was Greymane's aide in SW and helped the malazans himself a few times. It's totally him. I think.

The mystery Andi... Tough call. Rake is plausible but too obvious. Gallan was a poet, not a mage or warrior. Draconus, or possibly his echo Morn are possible. Orfantal seemed pretty dead. Clip was just sitting in Nimander's basement...

Gallan was actually high seneschal of the order of the mages in Kharkanas or some such title that escapes me. In other words it could easily be Gallan and he would be powerful.

[Abyss]

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 14 June 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

Abyss, on 14 June 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

Kyle was Greymane's aide in SW and helped the malazans himself a few times. It's totally him. I think.

The mystery Andi... Tough call. Rake is plausible but too obvious. Gallan was a poet, not a mage or warrior. Draconus, or possibly his echo Morn are possible. Orfantal seemed pretty dead. Clip was just sitting in Nimander's basement...

Gallan was actually high seneschal of the order of the mages in Kharkanas or some such title that escapes me. In other words it could easily be Gallan and he would be powerful.

Quote/ref?

[tiam]

My quote fu is low atm. Id say main arc likely toll the hounds. Im sure its mentioned someone with a kindle or some such could find it.

[nacht]

In DoD

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Yedan said, ‘The Watch commanded the legions, and we held until we were told to withdraw. It’s said there were but a handful of us left by then, elite officers one and all. They were the Watch. The Road was open then—we but marched.’

‘It was open because of Blind Gallan.’

‘Yes.’ ‘Because,’ she looked up at him, ‘he was told to save us.’

‘Gallan was a poet—’

‘And Seneschal of the Court of Mages in Kharkanas.’

[Gnaw]

Spoilsport Stonny, on 11 March 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

They should call it "The Hot Tyrant who was Human or Maybe Some Kinda Jaghut" and make it an erotic novel. Nevermind. I'm writing that one.

Eh. That plot brings new meaning to:
Silverfox vs Kyle
Silverfox
Whitesword
The bard Fisher
Amnesiac Tiste Andii

[Gnaw]

Defiance, on 16 April 2013 - 02:22 AM, said:

I was just about to post that, Jussi. Very interesting to hear how Esslemont may continue writing Malazan books after the Assail novel, with a large possibility of learning more about the forming of the Malazan Empire. I'm wonder, considering that feelings toward ICE on this forum are mixed: how do you all feel about this? Would you rather Erikson be the one to write about the formation? Would you rather it not be covered at all and just left up to speculation? Or do you think ICE has grown enough as a writer that he'll be able to successfully tell the tale?

No, I'm not even certain I want to see more SE Malazan.
Pratchetting Wu would disappoint me terribly. I'd rather have unanswered questions.
Maybe a couple of Malazan short storiy collections from SE.

[goofy5507]

Gnaw, on 15 June 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Defiance, on 16 April 2013 - 02:22 AM, said:

I was just about to post that, Jussi. Very interesting to hear how Esslemont may continue writing Malazan books after the Assail novel, with a large possibility of learning more about the forming of the Malazan Empire. I'm wonder, considering that feelings toward ICE on this forum are mixed: how do you all feel about this? Would you rather Erikson be the one to write about the formation? Would you rather it not be covered at all and just left up to speculation? Or do you think ICE has grown enough as a writer that he'll be able to successfully tell the tale?

No, I'm not even certain I want to see more SE Malazan.
Pratchetting Wu would disappoint me terribly. I'd rather have unanswered questions.
Maybe a couple of Malazan short storiy collections from SE.

I would like to see first how ICE finshes ASSAIL. If he does that well I have no problem with him writing further in the malazan empire. Though writing about the formation of it, does seem to be tricky because he would need to get a lot of the characterizations right, but if he can do it for ASSAIL then I will trust him with that story. Granted his writing is less fluent as SE and somehow his sense of trying to forebode serious conversions in not on par with SE, but I do find his books enjoyable to read, certainly in the context of the other books. Or maybe he could right about some other things, I would love to read something about the time of Dessimbelackis and the first heroes and all, seems like a storyline that could really be exploited.

[joshbhoy]

Picked up an interesting quote from ROTCG on my re-read. Very early on Stalker talking to Kyle as they wait to ascend the tower.

"The tall lean scout clasped Kyle's arm in a grip as sharp as the bite of a hound. They stopped, and the silence seemed to ring in Kyle's ears. "But I'll tell you this," he said leaning close , the shadows swallowing his face , "there are those in this Crimson Guard who have wandered the land a very long time indeed. They have amassed power and knowledge. And I don't believe they intend to let it go. Its an old story - one I had hoped to have left behind."

This points to the theory that there are lots of avowed or similar running around.

Crazy theory time**

Perhaps the people of the north are avowed to the tyrants. The theme of elder monsters had me thinking what if the said "Gold deposits" are in a region of Assail similar to Himitan or something like a blur between the past and present hence the monsters and the tyrants are avowed to defend it and the gold deposits at the same time. Or are fighting each other over said area.

But yea thats just one of my many crazy theories.

Also Kyle said at the end of Stonewielder he is going to look up Stalker and Badlands etc and entios Assail so Kyle is a given. Also the treasure hunting party got me thinking of Antsy and the Tiste girl from OST (i cant for the life of me remember what happened to them in that book, its been a while.

This post has been edited by joshbhoy: 17 June 2013 - 01:46 PM

[Abyss]

goofy5507, on 17 June 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 15 June 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Defiance, on 16 April 2013 - 02:22 AM, said:

I was just about to post that, Jussi. Very interesting to hear how Esslemont may continue writing Malazan books after the Assail novel, with a large possibility of learning more about the forming of the Malazan Empire. I'm wonder, considering that feelings toward ICE on this forum are mixed: how do you all feel about this? Would you rather Erikson be the one to write about the formation? Would you rather it not be covered at all and just left up to speculation? Or do you think ICE has grown enough as a writer that he'll be able to successfully tell the tale?

No, I'm not even certain I want to see more SE Malazan.
Pratchetting Wu would disappoint me terribly. I'd rather have unanswered questions.
Maybe a couple of Malazan short storiy collections from SE.

I would like to see first how ICE finshes ASSAIL. If he does that well I have no problem with him writing further in the malazan empire. Though writing about the formation of it, does seem to be tricky because he would need to get a lot of the characterizations right, but if he can do it for ASSAIL then I will trust him with that story. Granted his writing is less fluent as SE and somehow his sense of trying to forebode serious conversions in not on par with SE, but I do find his books enjoyable to read, certainly in the context of the other books. Or maybe he could right about some other things, I would love to read something about the time of Dessimbelackis and the first heroes and all, seems like a storyline that could really be exploited.

When the KT is done SE has a Toblakai Trilogy lined up that's supposed to pick up Karsa's story post-TCG.
I speak only for myself, but as much as i'm enjoying the KT, i'm pretty psyched for that.

As for ICE writing more Malaz, i'm totally good with that.
It would be interesting to see what he could do by going back in time to tell the Empire's origins, similar to how SE went back to delve into the Tiste and co, rather than forwards.

joshbhoy, on 17 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Picked up an interesting quote from ROTCG on my re-read. Very early on Stalker talking to Kyle as they wait to ascend the tower.

"The tall lean scout clasped Kyle's arm in a grip as sharp as the bite of a hound. They stopped, and the silence seemed to ring in Kyle's ears. "But I'll tell you this," he said leaning close , the shadows swallowing his face , "there are those in this Crimson Guard who have wandered the land a very long time indeed. They have amassed power and knowledge. And I don't believe they intend to let it go. Its an old story - one I had hoped to have left behind."

This points to the theory that there are lots of avowed or similar running around.

Crazy theory time**

Perhaps the people of the north are avowed to the tyrants. The theme of elder monsters had me thinking what if the said "Gold deposits" are in a region of Assail similar to Himitan or something like a blur between the past and present hence the monsters and the tyrants are avowed to defend it and the gold deposits at the same time. Or are fighting each other over said area.

But yea thats just one of my many crazy theories.

It's not an entirely crazy theory if you factor in:
- the hint in TtH that Assail is the site of an ongoing conflict between JA and Jaghut, both species known to survive almost anything.
- the hint in MoI that the Tyrant-Kings are human - we've seen enough humans grabbing power to the point of denying death, and specifically the Tyrant of Darujhistan in OST.
- There was the suggestion towards the end that the Tyrants immortality was similar to Jaghut soul-riding.
- Various hints that dead isn't death on Assail.
- Tthe suggestion in B&B that the Vow that created the Avowed was somehow linked to, or reflective of, the Imass Tellan Ritual

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Also Kyle said at the end of Stonewielder he is going to look up Stalker and Badlands etc and entios Assail so Kyle is a given.

Agreed.

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Also the treasure hunting party got me thinking of Antsy and the Tiste girl from OST (i cant for the life of me remember what happened to them in that book, its been a while.

Antsy ended up back in Darujhistan.
Orchid was taken in by the Tiste Andii priestesses.

[Sciz]

Uh when you say Jaghut vs JA, what do you mean by JA? I cannot think of anything with that acronym

[Black Winged Lord]

Sciz, on 20 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Uh when you say Jaghut vs JA, what do you mean by JA? I cannot think of anything with that acronym

Pretty sure it was just a typo - FA = Forkrul Assail

[Abyss]

Black Winged Lord, on 21 June 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

Sciz, on 20 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Uh when you say Jaghut vs JA, what do you mean by JA? I cannot think of anything with that acronym

Pretty sure it was just a typo - FA = Forkrul Assail

Yep. My jistake.

[worry]

Jistake ---> Jistakel ---> Jhistakel ---> Jhista'l ---> Jhistal

Hmmm.

[Deragoth]

Whiteblade is obviously Richard Cypher. This will combine the Malazan and Sword of Truth series. Soon all fantasy books will combine! You heard it here first.

[Kanese S's]

champ, on 11 March 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

As long as there is a ship on the cover I couldn't care less what it is called.

YES.

I would prefer a return to boat covers for the Assail novel. I was not pleased with OST's cover, with some guy with a sword in the foreground while the nautical vessels languished sadly in the background, and the cover of Blood and Bone was a huge missed opportunity for a boat cover. Instead of some guy with a sword, they could have had the ship the Avowed rode on looking all spooky and beat up in the river.

When it comes to covers of Esslemont novels,

Boats > some guy with a sword

[Salt-Man Z]

Planning his covers for OST and B&B, Steve Stone's probably all like, "Mock my boat covers, will they?"

[Kanese S's]

I have never mocked his boat covers. They're quite nice.

Especially in comparison to the non-boat covers.

[tiam]

Any chance of a prologue or opening chapter like we usually get?