[QuickTidal]

polishgenius, on 22 December 2019 - 02:54 PM, said:

I understood it, I just hate that trope presented in that way. That’s not how memory works!

I mean for some people it is. I don’t know that you can carts Blanche say what someone’s memory process is just because it’s not your own.

Beyond that, it let them have the actors share another scene together and it was beautiful and cyclical.

I don’t see what that’s an issue myself.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 22 December 2019 - 07:22 PM

[polishgenius]

You saw beautiful and cynical, I saw lazy (I've rarely seen that trope used in a situation where I didn't think it was because the director couldn't think of a way to show a character's internal struggle and choices without giving an external figure to project them onto) and cynical. Just don't like it.


Each to their own I guess...

[QuickTidal]

Fair enough. I think it gave those two actors a lovely scene to do. Shrug. Made me weepy.

[Tsundoku]

I don't think he has the lazy $10+ billion that would require these days.

Plus, do you really want the guy who gave us the prequel trilogy because he believed his own bullshit and was surrounded by yes-men (non-gendered) to be in charge once again?

Give it to Dave Filoni with top cover from somebody decent at Disney. Yes that's a hard ask.

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 23 December 2019 - 03:28 AM

[Tsundoku]

I'm sure every time he hears a fanboy cry and has those thoughts he consoles himself with a relaxing dip in his money pool and a massage from hot naked ladies as he looks out over the view from one of his opulent mansions.

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 23 December 2019 - 03:30 AM

[QuickTidal]

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I want a Ben Solo (good side, obvs) skin for Battlefront II so bad I can taste it. He’s going to do that little shrug as an emote too! Like I know it’s definitely coming...but man I SOOOOOO wants it now!

[Aptorian]

Saw Episode 9 yesterday.

On it's own it's not entirely terrible, just very flawed and poorly written, but as the finale of a trilogy the film is an utter failure.

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I've heard there were problems with changing directors but they had to have had an outline for the trilogy's manuscript. Even a novice writer should get that if you want to reintroduce the emperor and reveal an evil Sith planet, you plant those seeds in the first film. Not the last one.

And why weren't the Knight's of Ren in the first two films as mini-boses the other characters could have struggled with making Kylo Ren look stronger? Giving that final, way too short, fight actual meaning?

And seriously they kiss at the end? He's a mass murderer! Buhuu the dark side corrupted me, it's not my fault we exterminated those planets, uuuhhuuhu.

Give me a fucking break.

[rant]

Is the plan to post in the forum until there are no objections to ep 9? Cuz I object.

Honestly, I am wondering if JJ Abrahms can actually tell a story. Like, without mystery boxes and 'survive; reveals'

This post has been edited by rant: 28 December 2019 - 06:45 AM

[Malankazooie]

Come back in about a year and everyone will change their initial opinion and routinely hate it. Right now it's booger eating, fanboy emotional protection response you're only going to get.

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The series has been taken in a direction lacking in creativity and works far too hard to please the masses instead of defining itself #DisneyJustWantsYourMoney

[Aptorian]

Isn't there plenty of posts on this very page criticising Episode 9?

[Traveller]

Malankazooie, on 28 December 2019 - 05:10 PM, said:

Come back in about a year and everyone will change their initial opinion and routinely hate it. Right now it's booger eating, fanboy emotional protection response you're only going to get.

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The series has been taken in a direction lacking in creativity and works far too hard to please the masses instead of defining itself #DisneyJustWantsYourMoney

Why does everyone that hates it or is indifferent to it want everyone else to hate it?

I had a great time. Best SW cinema experience since the originals!

This post has been edited by Traveller: 28 December 2019 - 07:40 PM

[Khellendros]

Saw it, thought it was meh.

I flat out did not like the previous one, but in some ways this was worse in that it didn’t really make me feel anything. I think I will probably forget anything that happened in about a week. It just seemed like everyone involved in it was going through the motions. They tried to reintroduce some of the snappy dialogue from TFA, but the delivery was half-hearted. They again didn’t know what to do with Finn, he was just sort of present. It says something that I thought the best and closest to being affecting scene was the one where they essentially recreate the Han-Ben scene from TFA. It did not feel, to me, like the epic end of a trilogy, but why that is is pretty obvious at this point.

[paran falcon]

We saw TRoS on Friday. I don't have much to add to what others have expressed. I liked some of it and I seriously disliked some of it. One thing I haven't seen anyone here mention

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that set me off in the first seconds was the first three words of the crawl. "The dead speak!" Now I get that we've all seen the previews going in and should all be aware of Palpatine's re-emergence. But once we're in the theater isn't the movie's job to bring us into the story? And for something that momentous for the entire galaxy to get that short shrifted I felt was ridiculous. There are any number of ways they could have given us that moment in less than five minutes. I later saw in a Youtube video that you could get the actual "voice message" Palpatine delivered...in Fortnite? Oookaaayyyy...?! So if we don't play Fortnite we just get the off screen announcement. The Ben-Rey connection is interesting but I wish we had heard of this "dyad" thing prior to this movie. Seems like a lot to explore in relation to that. The other things I didn't like have mostly all been mentioned. How do so many people miss the obvious failures in simple logic during editing? Like Finn and Jannah getting picked up on the hull of the Falcon and just standing there while the Falcon goes vertical in escaping the star destroyer blast? Just too many things like that. I still just can't believe Disney had no overarching plan for the three movie storyline. They have butchered nearly every aspect of SW they have touched. The thing I think speaks the loudest in reference to this is that after we got home from the movie, we watched the finale of the Mandalorian and then 3 or 4 eps of Rebels (S3 on our 3rd rewatch) and BOTH of those were better than TRoS.


QT: I also thought that Rey's new lightsaber looks like it was created from her staff. I noticed first that it looked like it was all black, which I think is rather uncommon in the better known sabers. I also like that the blade is yellow even though it may not be entirely clear what exactly that means.

Despite the things I didn't like about this movie and the overall trilogy, where the very end leaves us is wide open for plenty of storytelling going forward. The problem is, I don't
trust Disney to make any good decisions on that front. Unless Jon Favreau or Dave Filoni write the story(ies), it could easily continue to be no more than meh. And that's really unfortunate because when SW is done well (Rebels, Mandalorian, Rogue One, to a lesser degree) they still have the ability to get my attention and my $.

This post has been edited by paran falcon: 30 December 2019 - 03:01 PM

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Yea, not including Palps message really rankled me. I was completely pulled out of the story for like 10 mins trying to figure out if there was some homework I had failed to do before going in lol. Good to know the message exists somewhere lol. What a missed opportunity though. Imagine a cold open, with Palps 5 minute rant as the start of the movie. Starting with a black background, cutting to reactions of various rebels (obviously this would have had less impact because they had killed off [or lost] the original trilogy actors.........but thats what happens when you do a big reveal like this in the 3rd act of a story, without planning for it in the previous installments). That would have been really cool.

But I get it, opening without a scrawl: Is nOt StAr WaRs

Other random but major disappointments for me:
1) Chewie getting a his ANH medal in blatant fan service, and then in the background of the celebration: brandishing it victoriously as if that was the only thing that mattered. All after having lost 3 of his oldest friends, not getting ownership of the ship he co-piloted for like 60 years (How many years? I forgot they didn't have the falcon for a while), and learning that the only son of his oldest friends [whom he previously watched murder his best friend and was forced to shot], was 'redeemed', only to die immediately after. Also Leia died with that fucking medal in her hand. Bleh.

But I get it: fOr dA fAnS

2) Reys dual lightsabers deflecting the force lightning that had been taking out thousands of ships in a radius of like 20 kilometers

All I could think that Mace Windu's force ghost was probably wishing he had had dual lightsabers.....cuz maybe he would have been able to kill the emperor before Anakin betrayed him in ROTS.
But I get it: sYmBoliSM (forced and rushed symbolism imo)

3) Leia giving up her lightsaber because she saw that the end of her Jedi training he son would die or something? Didn't really understand this lol...but basically, she knew that something was gonna happen?
But I get it: WE NEED A RETCON TO EXPLAIN WHY LEIA USED FORCE POWERS IN TLJ (Admittedly that is on Rian)

4) Ben bringing Rey back to life.
All I could think was was Anakins force ghost being like: GODDAMNIT!!! If I had known Jedi could bring people back from the dead, I'd never have gone to the darkside in the first place...completely circumventing the entire Original Trilogy.
But I get it: We want Rey to sacrifice herself to defeat the big bad.....but we also want the Jedi to continue in the future, and shes the only one. Time for the 7th death fakeout of the movie!

5) All the death fakeouts. Like seriously, there are other ways to add tension and stakes to a film. I think there were at least 6 in this film.
But I get it: When you fail to establish fully fleshed characters with true arcs, the only stakes that exist are life and death

6) Force Dyads being a thing that was completely unexplained and not described lol. Is this something from the nu-EU I am unaware of?

7) Finn needing to tell Rey something, and then not. JJ really can't help himself when it comes to mystery boxes LOL!


Anyways, I'm happy people liked it. I just didn't very much, and those are some of the reasons. That said, here are some things I did like:

1) Poe, Finn, and Reys dynamics. The main 3 really had good chemistry and interactions. I wish the entire trilogy had centred them more actively
2) Adam Driver. This man acted the shit out of this movie. I saw the difference between Ren and Ben in the like, 6 minutes that Driver acted Ben. Makes me wish they had adapted Jacens story-line from the books more directly. Watching Driver act out Jacen's arc from a paragon of Jedi to Caedus would have been amazing. Especially because it mirrors his grandads fall so well. Basically the reverse of the arc we had in the films I guess.
3) Cone face. I smiled everytime that droid said hello
4) Keri Russels character. The brief glimpse of Poes backstory was cool.
5) Rey stopping a fucking ship, that was epic.6) Rey very cleary being uncomfortable with a weapon that isn't a bowstaff, and Kylo pulling his punches in their fight because he really didn't want to kill her.
7) Finn getting the force? Hopefully that is the mystery box JJ set up in point 7 above.

[Chance]

Saw it today and I didn't have high hopes so it was a great positive surprise, not perfect by any means but about as good as I think can be expected. Easily the best of the new films except for Rogue One for me.

While there where a thousand things to nit pick about after it was enjoyable and fun, it had to carry two movies of poor decisions and characters that we didn't need but since it was pretty fun why go into details.


Hopefully now they can start over having learned that if you want to build a series of movies you make them connected and keep the same people working on them all the way or at least supervising it.

[QuickTidal]

Saw it again today. Even better the second go round!

And THAT scene is still my all time fave.

[Cause]

The last Jedi was a terrible movie but I mostly enjoyed this one. It’s a mess but it manages to hide it for the most part. Hides it with fun stars wars action, flash lights etc. I also think in general I was in a good mood for this one. My first movie in months and my first in America.

That said the first half was better than the second half I think. The longer the movie went on the harder it became to ignore the problems. The plot was driven by the plot for plots sake. Whatever the plot needed the plot got. No foreshadowing, no cause preceding effect.

[Slow Ben]

Cause, on 02 January 2020 - 03:26 PM, said:

The last Jedi was a terrible movie but I mostly enjoyed this one. It's a mess but it manages to hide it for the most part. Hides it with fun stars wars action, flash lights etc. I also think in general I was in a good mood for this one. My first movie in months and my first in America.

That said the first half was better than the second half I think. The longer the movie went on the harder it became to ignore the problems. The plot was driven by the plot for plots sake. Whatever the plot needed the plot got. No foreshadowing, no cause preceding effect.

This seems to be the consensus i've seen on here and elsewhere."its a mess but manages to hide it for the most part". If you all were singing its praises i'd probably bite my tongue and watch it, but as it is I'll wait for Disney+.

[Tiste Simeon]

Finally seen it and I flipping loved it. Going to ignore this thread anyway cos no doubt there is someone who'll tell me why I shouldn't like it haha

[QuickTidal]

Tiste Simeon, on 03 January 2020 - 07:24 PM, said:

Finally seen it and I flipping loved it. Going to ignore this thread anyway cos no doubt there is someone who'll tell me why I shouldn't like it haha

Actually, most of us thought it was great, myself included.