[Traveller]

Yep me too. Just met up with my brother, we both agreed about how much we enjoyed it. We also agreed on how properly bizarre it is to watch people in their 40s like us picking it to bits for..reasons, while the kids loved it. Like we would have done at that age.

Looking back I'm kind of happy that I got to close the saga at the cinema, with my kids, with the same sense of sheer enjoyment I got from the originals.

This post has been edited by Traveller: 03 January 2020 - 08:38 PM

[polishgenius]

Yeah this thread is the exception to the motherfucking crowd. I'm glad some people enjoyed it at least.

[Mezla PigDog]

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 22 December 2019 - 04:45 PM, said:

Traveller, on 19 December 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

Just come out!

No spoilers or anything here, I'll just say that the kids absolutely loved it, and I enjoyed the hell out of it. There were tears, leaving happy though.

That is all.

I think you and I had roughly the same experience of the film. I really loved it, for me it's by far the best of the three and does everything I want a Star Wars film to do.

There were also tears for me. I remember watching Return of the King at the cinema as a teenager and feeling so bereft at the end because there would be no more Middle Earth films. Not to anything like the same level, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel a tiny bit of the same for the end of the saga.

Also, there were some tears I knew would be coming for:

Spoiler

Leia. That character means a lot to me and I'm so pleased they handled her passing so beautifully, particularly when they no longer had Carrie. I really liked that she faded away when Ben did. The last Skywalkers left together.

Quite a bit of what I liked I suspect is what will be denounced as fan service..... but I loved it, I don't care

Just saw it. Cried every time Leia was onscreen. Think we may feel the same about her, RTB. Sob. I wonder how it might have ended if Carrie hadn't died.

I enjoyed it. Not stellar but a satisfying ending considering the hours of my life invested in the original trilogy.

[QuickTidal]

People on TikTok are doing the...

Spoiler

BenSoloChallenge now....which is recreating the 'Saber Pass' from TROS and the first few moves of that fight....and It. Is. GLORIOUS!

That is all.

[QuickTidal]

Fuck yes!

Spoiler. I may gave watched this a lot of times so far.

http://youtu.be/LqV6yeXrRDM

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 11 January 2020 - 02:03 AM

[Morgoth]

I watched it and thought it was ok. It had scenes I liked, one I thought was great (the sabre pass, I agree completely with QT on that one), and lots and lots of mediocrity that I felt I could tolerate because Star Wars.

Spoiler

This movie needed to let itself breathe. They could have skipped a bunch of scenes to give more time to the ones that really mattered. When Rey entered the Death Star, found the throne room and all. They should have given that time to make an impact. She's walking through the corpse of the original trilogy! There's so much history and emotion tied to that place and Abrams managed to convey exactly none of it in his rush to get to the next scene. Same with Palpatine, he's great, but he needed more time. More buildup, more time with Ben, more time with Rey, more time for the showdown to feel meaningful. That issue was further exacerbated by JJ Abrams inability to present time in any meaningful way. The galaxy of Star Wars is so very very tiny when he's at the helm.


I think my issue with this movie can be illustrated by a single line of dialogue. When, at the end, Rey escapes from the Sith fortress in her Tie Fighter, and Finn sees her. He yells to Poe (quoted from memory) "It's Rey, people are rising up all over the galaxy". They didn't have time to let him celebrate the survival of his friend for an entire sentence! Got to squeeze in some info about what's going on in the galaxy, and this was seemingly the best place to put it.

[QuickTidal]

Morgoth, on 16 January 2020 - 08:36 AM, said:

I watched it and thought it was ok. It had scenes I liked, one I thought was great (the sabre pass, I agree completely with QT on that one), and lots and lots of mediocrity that I felt I could tolerate because Star Wars.

Spoiler

This movie needed to let itself breathe. They could have skipped a bunch of scenes to give more time to the ones that really mattered. When Rey entered the Death Star, found the throne room and all. They should have given that time to make an impact. She's walking through the corpse of the original trilogy! There's so much history and emotion tied to that place and Abrams managed to convey exactly none of it in his rush to get to the next scene. Same with Palpatine, he's great, but he needed more time. More buildup, more time with Ben, more time with Rey, more time for the showdown to feel meaningful. That issue was further exacerbated by JJ Abrams inability to present time in any meaningful way. The galaxy of Star Wars is so very very tiny when he's at the helm.


I think my issue with this movie can be illustrated by a single line of dialogue. When, at the end, Rey escapes from the Sith fortress in her Tie Fighter, and Finn sees her. He yells to Poe (quoted from memory) "It's Rey, people are rising up all over the galaxy". They didn't have time to let him celebrate the survival of his friend for an entire sentence! Got to squeeze in some info about what's going on in the galaxy, and this was seemingly the best place to put it.

I agree with all of this. Well said Morgoth.

Sadly, even the writer Chris Terrio says he wishes Disney/LFL had allowed them to split it into two films to let it truly breathe. But they didn't. I'm unsure why or who made that call, but it was a bad call.

[paran falcon]

Has anyone else run across the details of the supposed Colin Trevorrow script that apparently some people have seen and are discussing the last couple of days? I usually don't get into the weeds on these things, like for instance QT can (not a criticism!) but my daughter found someone describing the whole script on youtube and showed it to us last night. The most fascinating thing to me was that Mortis was to be brought into Ep IX, as in Rey and Kylo end up there, I believe. Things like this, that really tie even minor details from both animated series to the big screen, are what really keep me interested in the SW franchise these days. Mortis ties the Clone Wars series and Rebels to a degree into the mainline story, which brings those who have invested the time into ALL the SW material a lot of satisfaction. At least that's how I feel about it. I mean, just a 2 second glimpse of a Lothcat in The Mandalorian gave me a thrill! I can't help feeling (maybe hoping is a better word?) that the next season of The Mandalorian may contain some ties, or even just mentions, of people we know from Rebels. And if the rumors of a Rebels sequel show coming are actually true, that could put both shows in nearly the same timeline. The possibilities are endless if the right people are doing the writing...

[QuickTidal]

paran falcon, on 16 January 2020 - 02:00 PM, said:

Has anyone else run across the details of the supposed Colin Trevorrow script that apparently some people have seen and are discussing the last couple of days? I usually don't get into the weeds on these things, like for instance QT can (not a criticism!) but my daughter found someone describing the whole script on youtube and showed it to us last night. The most fascinating thing to me was that Mortis was to be brought into Ep IX, as in Rey and Kylo end up there, I believe. Things like this, that really tie even minor details from both animated series to the big screen, are what really keep me interested in the SW franchise these days. Mortis ties the Clone Wars series and Rebels to a degree into the mainline story, which brings those who have invested the time into ALL the SW material a lot of satisfaction. At least that's how I feel about it. I mean, just a 2 second glimpse of a Lothcat in The Mandalorian gave me a thrill! I can't help feeling (maybe hoping is a better word?) that the next season of The Mandalorian may contain some ties, or even just mentions, of people we know from Rebels. And if the rumors of a Rebels sequel show coming are actually true, that could put both shows in nearly the same timeline. The possibilities are endless if the right people are doing the writing...

So I have SERIOUS doubts that the script is anything close to Trevorrow's plans. The least of which is that Trevorrow was writing before TLJ even came out, and left/was fired (not sure the real answer here) because after Carrie's death, and because he learned that RJ had killed off Luke ect. that he could not write the film he was trying to write (and a lot of this supposed script sounds like it works off the back of TLJ which Trevorrow NEVER did), so he bailed.

The Mortis arc being present was last noted as a Lucas-originated idea, not a Trevorrow one. And it didn't look like this. In Lucas's outlines Matt Smith was going to be the Son from Mortis, and HE would be the final bad guy of the series, not a resurrected Palpatine (who Geoirge Lucas maintains DIED aboard the 2nd Death Star in ROTJ) and Rey and a turned back Ben Solo would face him (whether that was on Mortis or not, I don't know). It would have been a greta way to try to go, and would not have discounted what had come before. But I feel like someone grabbed this notion of Mortis being involved and cobbled it into other ideas that became this "leaked Trevorrow script"...

Lastly, I don't think Trevorrow ever got close to COMPLETING a script for Episode IX.

TL;DR: This is likely high bullshit made up of different plans/ideas from the last few years of info. EDIT: I also feel like it's been created by the people who hate the Sequels and want to see TROS deep sixed even more than they did TLJ...so someone has created this script [which they feel sounds better than TROS] and Called it Trevorrow's leaked one...just to rile the hate.

that said, I agree that Mortis Arc and the Son as the villain of IX would have been a great idea that would have tied things together nicely.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 16 January 2020 - 03:14 PM

[paran falcon]

QuickTidal, on 16 January 2020 - 02:51 PM, said:

paran falcon, on 16 January 2020 - 02:00 PM, said:

Has anyone else run across the details of the supposed Colin Trevorrow script that apparently some people have seen and are discussing the last couple of days? I usually don't get into the weeds on these things, like for instance QT can (not a criticism!) but my daughter found someone describing the whole script on youtube and showed it to us last night. The most fascinating thing to me was that Mortis was to be brought into Ep IX, as in Rey and Kylo end up there, I believe. Things like this, that really tie even minor details from both animated series to the big screen, are what really keep me interested in the SW franchise these days. Mortis ties the Clone Wars series and Rebels to a degree into the mainline story, which brings those who have invested the time into ALL the SW material a lot of satisfaction. At least that's how I feel about it. I mean, just a 2 second glimpse of a Lothcat in The Mandalorian gave me a thrill! I can't help feeling (maybe hoping is a better word?) that the next season of The Mandalorian may contain some ties, or even just mentions, of people we know from Rebels. And if the rumors of a Rebels sequel show coming are actually true, that could put both shows in nearly the same timeline. The possibilities are endless if the right people are doing the writing...

So I have SERIOUS doubts that the script is anything close to Trevorrow's plans. The least of which is that Trevorrow was writing before TLJ even came out, and left/was fired (not sure the real answer here) because after Carrie's death, and because he learned that RJ had killed off Luke ect. that he could not write the film he was trying to write (and a lot of this supposed script sounds like it works off the back of TLJ which Trevorrow NEVER did), so he bailed.

The Mortis arc being present was last noted as a Lucas-originated idea, not a Trevorrow one. And it didn't look like this. In Lucas's outlines Matt Smith was going to be the Son from Mortis, and HE would be the final bad guy of the series, not a resurrected Palpatine (who Geoirge Lucas maintains DIED aboard the 2nd Death Star in ROTJ) and Rey and a turned back Ben Solo would face him (whether that was on Mortis or not, I don't know). It would have been a greta way to try to go, and would not have discounted what had come before. But I feel like someone grabbed this notion of Mortis being involved and cobbled it into other ideas that became this "leaked Trevorrow script"...

Lastly, I don't think Trevorrow ever got close to COMPLETING a script for Episode IX.

TL;DR: This is likely high bullshit made up of different plans/ideas from the last few years of info. EDIT: I also feel like it's been created by the people who hate the Sequels and want to see TROS deep sixed even more than they did TLJ...so someone has created this script [which they feel sounds better than TROS] and Called it Trevorrow's leaked one...just to rile the hate.

that said, I agree that Mortis Arc and the Son as the villain of IX would have been a great idea that would have tied things together nicely.

What you say could be entirely true as I'm only stating things I heard from a single person on youtube. In fact, I'll post a link here: https://www.youtube....h?v=5ShS32kJclU

For the record, I know nothing at all about this guy. But he sounded like he had legitimately read something that was complete that (he says) Trevorrow co-wrote and was completed just the week before Carrie Fisher passed. She featured more prominently in this "version" which could have contributed to why it had to be scrapped. Something you mentioned reminded me of something else he said. Force Ghost Luke was appearing to both Kylo and Rey in this version. "Haunting" Kylo it was described as, trying to talk him into turning away from the dark side, while trying to encourage and assist Rey. And for what its worth, this guy was not spewing hate on TRoS.


We went back and watched the 3 ep Mortis arc from the CW to refresh our memories. The Father, Daughter and Son were all dead, apparently, when the arc ended. So who knows how that could've played out. It was just interesting to think about. But I agree, especially after the re-watch last night, that the Son would've made an outstanding villain.

[QuickTidal]

paran falcon, on 16 January 2020 - 04:20 PM, said:

Force Ghost Luke was appearing to both Kylo and Rey in this version. "Haunting" Kylo it was described as, trying to talk him into turning away from the dark side, while trying to encourage and assist Rey. And for what its worth, this guy was not spewing hate on TRoS.

This is the most telling bit that tells me that it's not Trevorrow's though, as this works off the back of Luke's death and statements in TLJ ("See you around kid")...which Trevorrow would have had no knowledge of when he was in the writing process. It's also been pretty clear from Trevorreow that Luke being killed off was a big bone of contention as Luke was alive in his treatment...Carrie's passing may have been the death knell to his treatment, but I think Luke's death was the tipping point of him walking away...so I doubt he tried to adapt that into his script at all as a force ghost.

paran falcon, on 16 January 2020 - 04:20 PM, said:

But I agree, especially after the re-watch last night, that the Son would've made an outstanding villain.

He REALLY would have, and Matt Smith could have played him to perfection. Would love to have seen it!

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 16 January 2020 - 04:42 PM

[paran falcon]

QuickTidal, on 16 January 2020 - 04:41 PM, said:

paran falcon, on 16 January 2020 - 04:20 PM, said:

Force Ghost Luke was appearing to both Kylo and Rey in this version. "Haunting" Kylo it was described as, trying to talk him into turning away from the dark side, while trying to encourage and assist Rey. And for what its worth, this guy was not spewing hate on TRoS.

This is the most telling bit that tells me that it's not Trevorrow's though, as this works off the back of Luke's death and statements in TLJ ("See you around kid")...which Trevorrow would have had no knowledge of when he was in the writing process. It's also been pretty clear from Trevorreow that Luke being killed off was a big bone of contention as Luke was alive in his treatment...Carrie's passing may have been the death knell to his treatment, but I think Luke's death was the tipping point of him walking away...so I doubt he tried to adapt that into his script at all as a force ghost.

paran falcon, on 16 January 2020 - 04:20 PM, said:

But I agree, especially after the re-watch last night, that the Son would've made an outstanding villain.

He REALLY would have, and Matt Smith could have played him to perfection. Would love to have seen it!

Fair enough. I cede to your superior knowledge of the details of this.

[QuickTidal]

paran falcon, on 16 January 2020 - 05:39 PM, said:

Fair enough. I cede to your superior knowledge of the details of this.

It could still be his, but I await to see if he denies it or not.

[Morgoth]

Taika Waiti (possibly) directing a new Star Wars movie is the best news I’ve heard all week!

https://www.hollywoo...m_medium=social

[Traveller]

I really hope he gets it.

Y'all have probably seen this already but I never noticed this before, and I love it

https://twitter.com/...9806947334?s=09

[Malankazooie]

Now this is a version of Star Wars I think we all can get behind <<<<< see what I did there?

In this scene Hand Solo and ChewMe are running from the galactic butthole inspectors, and so take the Thrilltinnium Falcon into hyperspace to hide out in the giant space colon, until the dingle berries start clinging to the ship, forcing them to flee, barely make it out with their lives, escaping a little browner and stinkier for the experience.

[Malankazooie]

[QuickTidal]

paran falcon, on 16 January 2020 - 04:20 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 16 January 2020 - 02:51 PM, said:

paran falcon, on 16 January 2020 - 02:00 PM, said:

Has anyone else run across the details of the supposed Colin Trevorrow script that apparently some people have seen and are discussing the last couple of days? I usually don't get into the weeds on these things, like for instance QT can (not a criticism!) but my daughter found someone describing the whole script on youtube and showed it to us last night. The most fascinating thing to me was that Mortis was to be brought into Ep IX, as in Rey and Kylo end up there, I believe. Things like this, that really tie even minor details from both animated series to the big screen, are what really keep me interested in the SW franchise these days. Mortis ties the Clone Wars series and Rebels to a degree into the mainline story, which brings those who have invested the time into ALL the SW material a lot of satisfaction. At least that's how I feel about it. I mean, just a 2 second glimpse of a Lothcat in The Mandalorian gave me a thrill! I can't help feeling (maybe hoping is a better word?) that the next season of The Mandalorian may contain some ties, or even just mentions, of people we know from Rebels. And if the rumors of a Rebels sequel show coming are actually true, that could put both shows in nearly the same timeline. The possibilities are endless if the right people are doing the writing...

So I have SERIOUS doubts that the script is anything close to Trevorrow's plans. The least of which is that Trevorrow was writing before TLJ even came out, and left/was fired (not sure the real answer here) because after Carrie's death, and because he learned that RJ had killed off Luke ect. that he could not write the film he was trying to write (and a lot of this supposed script sounds like it works off the back of TLJ which Trevorrow NEVER did), so he bailed.

The Mortis arc being present was last noted as a Lucas-originated idea, not a Trevorrow one. And it didn't look like this. In Lucas's outlines Matt Smith was going to be the Son from Mortis, and HE would be the final bad guy of the series, not a resurrected Palpatine (who Geoirge Lucas maintains DIED aboard the 2nd Death Star in ROTJ) and Rey and a turned back Ben Solo would face him (whether that was on Mortis or not, I don't know). It would have been a greta way to try to go, and would not have discounted what had come before. But I feel like someone grabbed this notion of Mortis being involved and cobbled it into other ideas that became this "leaked Trevorrow script"...

Lastly, I don't think Trevorrow ever got close to COMPLETING a script for Episode IX.

TL;DR: This is likely high bullshit made up of different plans/ideas from the last few years of info. EDIT: I also feel like it's been created by the people who hate the Sequels and want to see TROS deep sixed even more than they did TLJ...so someone has created this script [which they feel sounds better than TROS] and Called it Trevorrow's leaked one...just to rile the hate.

that said, I agree that Mortis Arc and the Son as the villain of IX would have been a great idea that would have tied things together nicely.

What you say could be entirely true as I'm only stating things I heard from a single person on youtube. In fact, I'll post a link here: https://www.youtube....h?v=5ShS32kJclU

For the record, I know nothing at all about this guy. But he sounded like he had legitimately read something that was complete that (he says) Trevorrow co-wrote and was completed just the week before Carrie Fisher passed. She featured more prominently in this "version" which could have contributed to why it had to be scrapped. Something you mentioned reminded me of something else he said. Force Ghost Luke was appearing to both Kylo and Rey in this version. "Haunting" Kylo it was described as, trying to talk him into turning away from the dark side, while trying to encourage and assist Rey. And for what its worth, this guy was not spewing hate on TRoS.


We went back and watched the 3 ep Mortis arc from the CW to refresh our memories. The Father, Daughter and Son were all dead, apparently, when the arc ended. So who knows how that could've played out. It was just interesting to think about. But I agree, especially after the re-watch last night, that the Son would've made an outstanding villain.

So it turns out that the leak is mostly true and this WAS Trevorrow's plans for the 9th film.

Crazy.

[Traveller]

Mortis arc fascinates me. Mostly because I like to think the Son was dormant within Anakin until the moment he decides to join Palpatine - when he takes over. RotS Anakin looks just like CWs possessed Anakin - the eyes and the expression, everything. The Son takes over; Anakin is repressed in his despair and let's the son/Vader run wild until he realises he has a son, finally dispelling him in RotJ.

Also Ahsoka - after her trip there and the death of the daughter, she has the owl as her symbol, and her colours and style is very close to that of the daughters.

Almost like when they left they took on the roles regardless, even though they thought they'd escaped.

This post has been edited by Traveller: 27 January 2020 - 05:45 PM

[paran falcon]

Traveller, on 27 January 2020 - 05:39 PM, said:

Mortis arc fascinates me. Mostly because I like to think the Son was dormant within Anakin until the moment he decides to join Palpatine - when he takes over. RotS Anakin looks just like CWs possessed Anakin - the eyes and the expression, everything. The Son takes over; Anakin is repressed in his despair and let's the son/Vader run wild until he realises he has a son, finally dispelling him in RotJ.

Also Ahsoka - after her trip there and the death of the daughter, she has the owl as her symbol, and her colours and style is very close to that of the daughters.

Almost like when they left they took on the roles regardless, even though they thought they'd escaped.

I agree with this, especially about Ahsoka. The Daughter's last act before she "dies" is to give the last of herself/her life to Ahsoka to save HER life from the influence of the Son. I definitely think Ahsoka took on the Daughter's role, at least to an extent, after they left Mortis. If we ever get Ahsoka's missing years, up to her appearance in Rebels, and again after the events of the World Between Worlds, it will be interesting to see if any direct links to that are made. And Anakin had the full potential to become the Son, essentially, which he ended up doing.