[Kaschan]

Atrahal, on 31 July 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 31 July 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

If he CFs Inno, Kalse is the symp. And two killers at large. A fair trade for a symp to make.

Had we killed Kalse, and he CFed finder, we win. CFed Inno, we know he's the symp. And at least we killed a symp insted of a town. Stupid move even if he is right.

You're an idiot. What if PS isn't including roles in the CF? Then that leaves us no wiser as to where the scum is hiding.

Really . You guys said if SL CFs Inno, you just kill Kalse. If he's symp he CFs Inno, too. So you lose 3 town for one symps play.

Thank you, drive thru. You've been schooled.

I said nothing at all about lynching Kalse. In fact, I think this play is much more likely to be the work of a symp than scum, in which case there is no point at all in lynching him. We'd be better to look at who he was trying to protect.

Has anyone found the answer to this question? I think this needs to be a priority

[Telas]

Hey guys, I think my workplace blocked the Web vpn I normally use to get on here so I'm posting from my phone. I will be able to properly participate when I get home, which should be before day end. Sorry.

[Tellan]

Yes Kaschan, from what it looks he was clearly trying to protect myself or rashan, as we were the only players with votes at the time, and it was close to lynch time out.



I stand by he was fake symping to cause us to go after innocent people. Hence the case on Atrahal.

[Telas]

Also kaschan you act as though you are unbelievably oblivious to everything. we have spent half of the last three pages discussing that path.

[Kaschan]

Kalse, on 31 July 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

kaschan is scum!! hes a killer, my main thoughts now are on the 2nd killer

Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

I say we lynch SL, as I believe this may be a play by Kalse to clear him. I find him the more suspicious of the pair anyway.

remove vote

Vote Sheltatha Lore

I think tellan is the other killer. and he used this post to switch from the killer to the symp
no find to back this up however as i expect to die tonight I thought i point it out while i still can

Since I believe Kalse was a symp, then this pointing at Tellan makes me feel less slightly suspicious of him.

[Kaschan]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Kaschan, conveniently doesn't weigh in on what's going on at all. Awesome, thanks for muddying up the waters more if you are inno.

not my intent, apologies if my playing is bad - how did I muddy up waters specifically?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 13 hours and 26 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Atrahal ( Tellan )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Sorrit )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Telas

[Liosan]

Atrahal, on 01 August 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

Liosan, on 01 August 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

I put a solid few hours of each day into this except for last Friday when I got slammed at work. It's a shame that I'm not able to be around when everyone else is all the time, but that's the way it is when you have a job and friends! That being said, I'm not one to sit here and vomit out everything that comes to mind. I make a case, and refute when I can, and move on when I'm convinced. I try to put only useful information on thread, make my accusations, and not create pages and pages of useless garble like some other unnamed princesses.

That all being said, I don't really believe that Atrahal ever made any great effort to defend himself from me... This is what he said:

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In terms of what Lio is saying against me, I find it laughable that he can say he is happy to add to a lynch train to get a lynch, but finds me suspicious for doing the same. If I was switching my vote around a lot I could understand his suspicion, but I haven't been doing that at all.

He's right, he hasn't been switching his vote around a lot, but he didn't at all respond to the real case I made, which was that he spent most of Day 2 making random cases (against two confirmed innos if I am not mistaken) and all around just throwing suspicion around until he can safely throw a vote at Tellan again (because Eloth brought him back up).

I spent that day making cases in an attempt to get some conversation going. It did serve some purpose, I came to the conclusion that Eloth was an innocent newbie. No one was interested in either of the cases I made, and in the end I voted along with everyone else to get the lynch.

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And then Day 3 he throws out comments like...

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You're an idiot. What if PS isn't including roles in the CF? Then that leaves us no wiser as to where the scum is hiding.

..which just seems like deliberately misunderstanding how these games are played as a standard to muddy up people's choices and thoughts. A finder CFs Finder in every M&P game I've ever played... and....

How many games have you actually played? I've only played a few, but in ONLY ONE has the finder CF-ed as such, and that was commented on as unusual during the game. It was a valid point, as Sorrit's entire play was based on the fact that we would know whether Kalse was inno or not when lynched, which certainly wasn't the case.

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I said nothing at all about lynching Kalse. In fact, I think this play is much more likely to be the work of a symp than scum, in which case there is no point at all in lynching him. We'd be better to look at who he was trying to protect.

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Who said anything about lynching Kaschan? And we don't have to lynch the symp, just scum. It's not D-day yet, and your fatalistic attitude and insults are not going to help anyone.

...which is pretty much dumb as far as I am concerned. If we are sure someone is the symp, why leave them around? It automatically gives us an extra day before D Day, and once it's as obvious as it was that Kalse was the symp, why would they do anything to symp and possibly have their killers caught? They'd just be around creating havoc onthread that wouldn't help anyone who is town.

I maintain that lynching Kalse was a bad move. It was a waste of a lynch, it gave us no further information on who the killers were, it gave the killers another night to reduce our numbers and we lost the opportunity to lynch a killer. I can see the reasoning behind the choice to lynch Kalse and I would have voted for him if it was necessary for the lynch, but I don't agree with the lynch of a symp.

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Anyway, I believe that Atrahal is one of the scum, but I am afraid to vote him just yet for fear that he's not and the 2 scum hammer. So I'll hold off for now, but unless something more compelling comes up, that's where my vote's going. If Atrahal CFs scum, I'm going to give you all a great big fuck you for not listening to me 2-3 days ago. If not, well, I won't.

I think you are blinded by the certainty of your case. You have barely even considered any other options, and this blinkering is dangerous. I'm not convinced you are scum so I'm not voting for you yet, but you're on my list of liklies.

I've played a few. Point is, finder usually CFs as finder, even if the RIs don't CF as RI. You can maintain what you want, I maintain you're continuing to try to throw us off your trail, so there's that. And I'm not blinded by the certainty of my case, I have taken the time to analyze other cases, and given my opinion on all the remaining people. I think you're scum, and your partner is probably Telas. I'm more confident that you're scum then Telas, so my vote goes to you. You've done nothing to convince me I shouldn't vote you.

vote Atrahal

[Kaschan]

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 31 July 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

ok, I have to focus on work now, this back & forth is just screwing my brain up

who is your top choice for killers?

Maybe Lio or Atrahal, but based on gut only - those two feel the smoothest to me



I’m trying to catch up as quick as I can, if I miss anything directed at me, please just say so.

[Kaschan]

I agree with the lynches of SL and Kalse, btw.

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

If Kalse was trying to deflect from Tellan/Rashan we should look at them.

If Kalse was trying to bait us into voting Tellan/Rashan we should look at the people not implicated in the reveal (atrahal, eloth, sorrit, liosan, telas).

Kaschan also fits into this somewhere, though the fact our probable symp accused him of being scum makes him seem pretty inno.

This WIFOM melts in your mouth, tasty – I found your theory interesting, and you follow through I guess...I hate trying to work with these maybes




I have to get back to work, I’ll try to get back soon, I’m not sure about time left

[Tellan]

Maybe start here and read backwards next time. The past is important, but what is happening right now is much more dire.

[Sorrit]

Kaschan, on 01 August 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

Kalse, on 31 July 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

kaschan is scum!! hes a killer, my main thoughts now are on the 2nd killer

Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

I say we lynch SL, as I believe this may be a play by Kalse to clear him. I find him the more suspicious of the pair anyway.

remove vote

Vote Sheltatha Lore

I think tellan is the other killer. and he used this post to switch from the killer to the symp
no find to back this up however as i expect to die tonight I thought i point it out while i still can

Since I believe Kalse was a symp, then this pointing at Tellan makes me feel less slightly suspicious of him.

I'm not leaning any direction just yet. Just saying that he could have been symping for Tellan. So he accuses Tellan of switching the Lynch, then finds him innocent with his fake finder powers. Could of been his plan all along. We won't know. If Tellan is scum, though, it could easily incriminate you as well Kaschan. I tend to believe your town based on Kalse's fake finds. Still, we can't rule out anything, yet.

I'm not removing my vote until you give us more.

Tellan, my BIGGEST worry, is that if you're town, and we were about to Lynch you, wth would make Kalse pull his finder routine? It makes zero sense. He could of just waited for one more town death, and done it. And had he done this, waited for you to be lynched ASSUMING you're Inno, it takes another day off towns chances, yet left enough to test his reveal. He jumped the gun for a reason.

[Sorrit]

Just wondering. Maybe he just made mistakes in his calculations of d-day.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 12 hours and 22 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Atrahal ( Tellan, Liosan )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Sorrit )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Kaschan, Rashan, Telas

[Sorrit]

Another thing that still plagues me is Kalse putting Liosan at L-1. That's dangerous play. Liosan was almost lynched instead of Osseric day 2. Kalse's vote almost seals it. The Liosan Lynch wasn't 'imminent', either. Especially considering they had Osseric at L-1 first, then both at L-2. If I was the symp, I'd make them work to Lynch a scum, instead of pulling the 'I better be on this Lynch train because I've been symping him' gamble. Just me, though.

[Sorrit]

Kaschan is worrying me. I understand being busy, but he hasn't stuck around for more than a few minutes very often. He is also capable of far better posts than he's letting on.

[Tellan]

I was thinking he pulled that because he thought we couldnt get a lynch that day, so we would waste the next 2 on him and his targets. Also, Rashan could very easily be scum. Wasn;t he an option at that point?

[Sorrit]

Liosan, if your first choice for atrahal doesn't happen, who is your pick for his partner? You said Telas?

[Sorrit]

Tellan, on 01 August 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

I was thinking he pulled that because he thought we couldnt get a lynch that day, so we would waste the next 2 on him and his targets. Also, Rashan could very easily be scum. Wasn;t he an option at that point?

Not likely. He had just my vote, I believe. Doesn't clear him, though. Still, why stall a possible town Lynch? You were technically at 3 votes, I had just discussed with tennes if we should vote you. 6 to Lynch. Halfway there, and still 8 people not voted. I'm pretty sure you die that day barring Kalse's routine. Still, if you're Inno, you can't help a madmans actions.

[Sorrit]

I also don't see him fake symping you when you were halfway to Lynch already. He could of just let you die, and revealed next day, which was the ideal day for his fake routine.