[Sorrit]

Telas, on 01 August 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

I'm back.

So Sorrit, Liosan--why am I suddenly your 3rd option for scum again? Waiting for more than "he's reasonable," because i seriously hope that we aren't lynching people for good town play now.


Kaschan, it has been something like 12 hours since you returned and said you were catching up. Good god you are slow. If tomorrow weren't d-day I'd want to push a lynch on you or rashan for being so utterly useless to town, so people (both town and scum) start to realize this kind of coasting is unacceptable.

We only have two shots left. Doesn't really matter One and Two CF Inno, which is probably what it would tId to shift my suspicions your way, because game would be over. I hate having Tellan as my number scum based on things that aren't really his fault, but it is what it is. Tennes and I were talking about our votes putting Tellan at 3 votes(6 to Lynch) with 8 left to still lay votes. Tellan would have been already half way there. Tennes posts that he thinks Kalse is symp, Tellan and SL are killers, then 6 minutes later, Kalse does his blow up insane finder reveal routine.

I think that this made Kalse POSSIBLY feel desperate to act. If Tellan is scum, and we Lynch Kalse next, that's two scum down, one to go. May have spooked him. MAY HAVE. Speculation. I admit.

Yet if Tellan is innocent, sitting L-3, then Kalse could of put him at L-2, or just not voted, and let him get lynched. Tellan dies, IMO, if Kalse doesn't do his thing. So why does Kalse not let Tellan just die, if hes town? THEN the next day pull his finder routine. Which would have been the BCS day for that stunt. He popped a day early.

I HAVE had to consider, though, that Kalse was insane, and even more so than I, and just went nuts by miscalculating timeline, or game mechanic, etc...

I'm still debating. I've been looking through posts, and am studying the altrahal case. I should be done in a little while.

[Tellan]

I'm very confident that one or both of Atrahal and Liosan will be scum.


I know I'm not, but I understand the case against me. I just can't stand by and let myself go despite that it would help clear the heads of the remaining town. I'd rather lynch a scum today than D-day.

[Sorrit]

Reposting this, because it shows tennes post that came right before Kalse's finder reveal post.

Sorrit, on 01 August 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

The first train

8 Votes for Emurlahn ( Sorrit, Tellan, Kalse, Osseric, Kaschan, Rashan, Liosan, Sheltatha Lore )

it's the first few votes that makes it happen. You might have picked Emur first but Tellan then Kalse follow. One killer, one symp, then the last killer votes later on (Rashan, Lio or Shelly)

More and more i am not thinking it is Lio.

That second lynch is down to the swing. Shelly removes and Tellan removes and adds to Ozzy.

killer pair, shelly and tellan?

kalse as symp

This post by tennes is the last post before Kalse decides to do his finder reveal, 6 minutes later. He had been on for about a half hour when he revealed. Posted once, claiming he had some thoughts, about 30 mins before finally revealing. I think it was Tennes post right before his that spooks him into action. We know of the three Tennes said were scum, he was right about Kalse as symp, SL CFs town, and we don't know Tellans.

If we assume he was also right about Tellan, and with Tellan about to have 3 votes, and tennes claiming Kalse symp, this could be the reason for Kalse's insane reveal, which we've been wondering about.

Edit for underline.

So is it Tellan plus X? Or is it Atrahal and Liosan? Telas Rashan? Oh well, ill check back later.

[Sorrit]

Tellan, on 01 August 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

I'm very confident that one or both of Atrahal and Liosan will be scum.


I know I'm not, but I understand the case against me. I just can't stand by and let myself go despite that it would help clear the heads of the remaining town. I'd rather lynch a scum today than D-day.

I know it sucks, especially when it's not based on your mistakes. Yet I haven't reviewed all options, yet. Doing a full re-read. Will decide well before time out.

[Telas]

So, I repeat myself: what makes you think I am Rashan's partner? Or Atrahal's partner? That's to you, Sorrit, and Liosan (though I think Sorrit insinuated that I was atrahal's partne, not Liosan)

[Tellan]

I really don't see why Tennes's post implicates me at all. There are better posts to do so. He had Shelly as my partner, and shelly is inno.

[Sorrit]

Tellan, on 01 August 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

I really don't see why Tennes's post implicates me at all. There are better posts to do so. He had Shelly as my partner, and shelly is inno.

Tennes post doesn't implicate you. Tennes post is the post that came 6 minutes before Kalse's fake finder stunt. It gives a possible reason as to why Kalse may have felt the need to flip crazy mode.

ASSUMING you are scum, AND half way to being lynched , it would give credit to tennes post. He'd nailed 2 of 3 scum. If you cf scum, he had Kalse pegged as your symp. Even if we had chose not to test that, Kalse may have felt pressured.

Or, just the fact that you were half way to being lynched, if you were town, why wouldn't Kalse, scum, not vote you, and push your Lynch, or at least just sit back and watch it happen. I know you can understand all this. I even am giving you the benefit of the doubt while I review atrahals posts and current case.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 4 hours and 49 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Kaschan, Liosan, Rashan, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Atrahal ( Tellan, Liosan )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Telas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Kaschan, Rashan, Sorrit

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 01 August 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

So, I repeat myself: what makes you think I am Rashan's partner? Or Atrahal's partner? That's to you, Sorrit, and Liosan (though I think Sorrit insinuated that I was atrahal's partne, not Liosan)

Telas I grouped you with Rashan because he was all that was left in my theory pairings. Those pairings aren't anywhere NEAR concrete cases. Simple guesses. You're a good ways off for me being able to vote you. I'd have to clear Tellan, and I still don't know who his partner would be, if he is scum. Why should I count you out? I'd be stupid to count anyone out at this point. I'm not saying this incriminates you, but you played a Damn good game, Telas. I commend you. I say that if you're town or scum. Well played. I just ain't ruling anyone out. Plus you know me. I like to test all waters for reactions. This seems to be, by far, the most concerned I've seen you all game. You ain't losing that cool are you? Like I said, you're still two more people lynched before I need to even think of testing you, yet. If it even comes to that.

[Telas]

Thanks bro. I'm just curious, since people have been saying I've been playing "too smooth" since day 2, and knowing your reasoning behind your suspicions of me tells me about your relations to other players based on your stated list of suspicion.

[Telas]

And no, you shouldn't trust me, though it would probably make things easier if I was CI somehow.

[Tellan]

Sorrit, on 01 August 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Tellan, on 01 August 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

I really don't see why Tennes's post implicates me at all. There are better posts to do so. He had Shelly as my partner, and shelly is inno.

Tennes post doesn't implicate you. Tennes post is the post that came 6 minutes before Kalse's fake finder stunt. It gives a possible reason as to why Kalse may have felt the need to flip crazy mode.

ASSUMING you are scum, AND half way to being lynched , it would give credit to tennes post. He'd nailed 2 of 3 scum. If you cf scum, he had Kalse pegged as your symp. Even if we had chose not to test that, Kalse may have felt pressured.

Or, just the fact that you were half way to being lynched, if you were town, why wouldn't Kalse, scum, not vote you, and push your Lynch, or at least just sit back and watch it happen. I know you can understand all this. I even am giving you the benefit of the doubt while I review atrahals posts and current case.

Okay, this I understand.

[Tellan]

I'm suspicious of you because I had no suspicions of you until I realized I had no suspicions of you.

This is a strange game we play.

[Sorrit]

Tellan, on 01 August 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

I'm suspicious of you because I had no suspicions of you until I realized I had no suspicions of you.

This is a strange game we play.

I hope you suspect everyone. That's why I don't even like you clearing Kaschan, even if it is a good case. We just can't be sure of anyone but ourselves.

With symp dead, only the two scum know the faction of all remaining players.

Although getting town feelings is ok. Just no definites.

The two scum are the only two who can be positive about the faction of anyone else.

[Tellan]

There's absolutely no way Kalse was ballsy enough to vote for his own master first like that when we were obviously going to test his reveal. That's why I went after SL instead of Kaschan anyway.



If we can't trust this making Kaschan PI, we're driving ourselves crazy. We have to narrow down somehow.



Btw. Go check a certain tavern real fast.

[Sorrit]

7 players, 5 town 2 scum.. We miss tonight, it becomes 3 town 2 scum and d day. Miss again we lose.

I say we take our time, no hasty votes. Wait for debate. 2 town vote the wrong person, the 2 scum can hammer.

[Telas]

If the 2 scum rush a hammer that makes it easy to find the scum the next day imo. But we shouldn't let the timer run down too close, though, or people will make the excuse that they were voting to just to get a lynch.

[Tellan]

We have less than 4 hours left.



Just fyi.

[Sorrit]

Tellan, on 01 August 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

There's absolutely no way Kalse was ballsy enough to vote for his own master first like that when we were obviously going to test his reveal. That's why I went after SL instead of Kaschan anyway.



If we can't trust this making Kaschan PI, we're driving ourselves crazy. We have to narrow down somehow.



Btw. Go check a certain tavern real fast.

No I do also believe he wouldn't do that. Yet I can't be sure. I can WIFOM one possible line of thought he may have had. He puts one scum to buy our trust, and one town. He wanted us to Lynch Kaschan first. Kaschan CFs scum, and everyone would believe him. We them Lynch SL, he CFs town . Kalse claims him the symp, for he already said that he got a pm from ps stating he would get a scum find on the symp. I wouldn't have bought that, but I bet enough would had. SL down. He magically doesn't get NKed, and claims he finds the last scum, or he clears an obvious town, keeping him alive. He could have used Kaschans cf as scum to walk this group on his leash. Hell I BEGGED you guys not to trust him. So yeah, its still POSSIBLE he's scum.

Probable? Not really. I just don't want to rule him out completely is all I'm saying.

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 02 August 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

If the 2 scum rush a hammer that makes it easy to find the scum the next day imo. But we shouldn't let the timer run down too close, though, or people will make the excuse that they were voting to just to get a lynch.

Excellent fn point here. Excellent. 4 hours? I'm half way through full re-read. Be done less than hour.