Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:
Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:
And as someone else said on this page, the Joker also mentioned a mayor. Now, there can be an interesting correlation there... did Meanas named the de-recruiter a mayor by accident or random choice, did he name a mayor because he read in the Penguin message and it stuck (by accident or deliberately), or did he post the Penguin message and then later capitulated on it? Am I correct in assuming that the Penguin post was before Meanas mentioned a mayor? Because that would eliminate the chance that the Penguin is digging Meanas an extra comfy snug deep grave through his message.
Despite my own fixation on the whole Meanas thing (he just rubs me the wrong way, seems extremely scummy and in addition to that there are plenty of quotes that support that feelingno matter whether or not there will be a modkill), I am quite satisfied so far with day 1.
The Osseric = BM/Joker thing can be wifom, but I bet it will be tested at some point, probably if we fail to lynch a CL/BM in the first 2-3 days, which is going to make Osseric a quite valuable asset for further analysis - if he's a dead man walking, cult may not want to touch him, BM won't jump into him and we will know who or what he was and how to read his statements.
That aside, we have several other statements, a good few quote posts, some active posting, little spam, and generally decent activity.
And now I'm out for a while.
This post stood out to me quite strongly, specifically the underlined section. Eloth is trying to get us to lynch Osseric at some point without explicitly stating that he finds Osseric scummy himself. If someone smart was trying to push an Osseric lynch, this is how they'd go about it - realising the lack of evidence to work with at the moment, they create an expectation and inevitability about his lynch in the future, all the while making it seem like they didn't have much to do with it. Knowing how to read Osseric's statements serves us no better than knowing how to read the statements of anyone else at this point.
I could see Eloth as a cult leader based on this post - trying to set up recruitments down the line while providing something his future followers could look over and interpret as orders. Key in the cults' thinking will be how to avoid recruiting the same player as someone else, and lo and behold Eloth is also trying to imply that the cult leaders should avoid picking Osseric.
I don't have much time, but I'm going to have a quick spin through the rest of Eloth's posts to see if there's anything there.
Or, le sigh, you just pick a single line from a post, tear it out of the context (which follows upon that sentence) misread it and present it as a case by someone smart setting someone else up for a lynch.
Now read it not as setting a lynch up (which is a symp's work, and to my knowledge this game doesn't have any) but in light of how Mafia games usually go on this forum. You see, there's this thing where we feel we let people off the hook, then we lynch them after all because of nagging suspicions: 'why would they point out person X? There must be something about person X!' My whole line about Osseric is that this is going to happen because of what the Joker coded about him. For reference, see also the post I made earlier about regular patterns taking over (Silencer being lynched for being too smooth, Vengey exploding, et cetera). There, explained?
Furthermore, to show my expectation is not coming out of left field, other people (and if you read back you will note that I have been almost completely silent on the issue of Osseric = BM/the Joker) have already mentioned chances of him being bad or not.
And even if he is random name X selected for shit and giggles by the Joker, he can still be a bad guy - it just seems less likely he is the Joker but all other options are as open as they are for you and me. I specifically called it wifom somewhere and I also said that The Joker would not target Osseric if he didn't stand to benefit by it. So, unless I am the Joker and I am indeed being oh so clever, why would I press on this? And if I am the Joker, why would I press on this and stand out?
Secondly, what motive could I possibly have for lynching Osseric specifically and setting that up halfway through day 1, or even earlier? It doesn't compute. As a townie, I don't care which big bat (see what I did there? tee hee for wordplay) we lynch but prefer any big bad evil dude over another townie.
If I were a big bad/bat, I wouldn't care who got lynched as long as it wasn't me. As such, there is no advantage whatsoever for setting Osseric up apart from trying to do it through an anonymous message. In a regular game, sure, you might have a point and I might be a symp. But here? Explain to me, if I am so fucking clever (which is just the way to make me seem dangerous through a compliment, so thank you not so much), why the flying fuck would I set up someone for lynching in 2-3 days time in a game with multiple recruits, kills, big ben jumps and god knows what?
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But on the whole I agree with what you're saying. I was *going* to remove my vote in one post earlier before I left for work, but I forgot to do so, and then Meanas shovelling that insincere "I can change" bullshit topped off a rough night at work. Thus, I'm being petulant right now. I intend to keep being petulant for a while. But don't fret, I'm keeping an open mind and perusing the thread for other options.
