[Atrahal]

 Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

That's fine my friend, it's just quite opposite of my viewpoint. Expect to be on the opposite side of the majority of lynches.

I think I'd already come to the same conclusion. Which is not to say I can't be brought around by a sound case. Seems my definition of 'sound' is rather more demanding than others'.

[Sheltatha Lore]

 Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

That's fine my friend, it's just quite opposite of my viewpoint. Expect to be on the opposite side of the majority of lynches.

I think I'd already come to the same conclusion. Which is not to say I can't be brought around by a sound case. Seems my definition of 'sound' is rather more demanding than others'.

[Atrahal]

 Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

I could see Eloth as a cult leader based on this post - trying to set up recruitments down the line while providing something his future followers could look over and interpret as orders. Key in the cults' thinking will be how to avoid recruiting the same player as someone else, and lo and behold Eloth is also trying to imply that the cult leaders should avoid picking Osseric.

I don't have much time, but I'm going to have a quick spin through the rest of Eloth's posts to see if there's anything there.

This is an excellent point.

[Emurlahn]

With 8 hours to timeout i'd say we need to buck our ideas up. Sheltatha has laid down his 6th vote of the day so far how exciting. Not much content from him still though just a bunch of votes and i've responded to Telas.

Galain the reason I think Meanas is town based on his first post. Have a look and see what you think

[Atrahal]

 Sheltatha Lore, on 05 June 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

 Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

That's fine my friend, it's just quite opposite of my viewpoint. Expect to be on the opposite side of the majority of lynches.

I think I'd already come to the same conclusion. Which is not to say I can't be brought around by a sound case. Seems my definition of 'sound' is rather more demanding than others'.

[Emurlahn]

 Path-Shaper, on 05 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 6 hours and 38 minutes left

22 people are still alive : Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Sheptatha Lore, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 to go to night.

1 votes for Omtose (Karosis)
1 vote for Fener (Rashan)
1 vote for Eloth (Galain)
1 vote for Spite (Emurlahn)
1 vote for Rashan (Meanas)
4 votes for Meanas (Spite, Galain, Eloth,D'riss)
1 vote for D'riss (Atrahal)
2 vote for Emurlahn (Telas, Sheltata Lore)

-Liz

Does Galain have some sort of double voting powers? He is voting both Meanas and Eloth.

If not, Galain why did you originally vote for Eloth. Karosis makes an interesting point and if yours was different it would solidify the best case so far.

[Galain]

 Emurlahn, on 05 June 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

With 8 hours to timeout i'd say we need to buck our ideas up. Sheltatha has laid down his 6th vote of the day so far how exciting. Not much content from him still though just a bunch of votes and i've responded to Telas.

Galain the reason I think Meanas is town based on his first post. Have a look and see what you think

Hrm, marginal. I think I get where you're coming from, but honestly, that could have been a random intro, too. But at this point I'm more being petulant than anything else - Meanas should be dead by modkill, he is not, therefore I'm voting for him as scum. Even though Ment as good as said he was town when mentioned talking it over with Liz.


Honestly, I don't see many alternatives on the table anyway. *shrug*

[Galain]

 Emurlahn, on 05 June 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 05 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 6 hours and 38 minutes left

22 people are still alive : Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Sheptatha Lore, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 to go to night.

1 votes for Omtose (Karosis)
1 vote for Fener (Rashan)
1 vote for Eloth (Galain)
1 vote for Spite (Emurlahn)
1 vote for Rashan (Meanas)
4 votes for Meanas (Spite, Galain, Eloth,D'riss)
1 vote for D'riss (Atrahal)
2 vote for Emurlahn (Telas, Sheltata Lore)

-Liz

Does Galain have some sort of double voting powers? He is voting both Meanas and Eloth.

If not, Galain why did you originally vote for Eloth. Karosis makes an interesting point and if yours was different it would solidify the best case so far.

Uhm, good question. No, I don't have weird double-voting powers. Why does everyone keep forgetting to do things involving me? *sigh*


This is why I voted Eloth, heh:

 Galain, on 04 June 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 04 June 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

 Karosis, on 04 June 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 04 June 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

The same might be true of Greek obligations

I'll obligate your Greeks if you know what I mean.

I'm sure my fields don't need fertalising (to quote the Lysistrata).


As for SL's overabundance of eagerness: they're probably new. Everyone here knows we'll lynch randomly in the last 90 seconds of the day, then day 2 we lynch whoever protested the most against yesterday's lynch for its randomness (which is likely to be HD, as he never survives past day 2 whenever he does sign up), day 3 Silencer goes down (probably for low posting but he'll interprete it as for being too smooth) and he'll huff and puff in SH and perhaps even close the game thread in anger before Grief unlocks it again, then day 4 Vengeance explodes on thread for some reason or other and then we're in end-game.

Vote Eloth


Purely because I think that we should lynch you in the first 6 hours just to prove you wrong. This game's all about change, yo'.

[Path-Shaper]

Oops. Thanks for pointing my mistake out, Emur.

It is Day 1. 6 hours and 16 minutes left

22 people are still alive : Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Sheptatha Lore, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 to go to night.

1 votes for Omtose (Karosis)
1 vote for Fener (Rashan)
1 vote for Spite (Emurlahn)
1 vote for Rashan (Meanas)
4 votes for Meanas (Spite, Galain, Eloth,D'riss)
1 vote for D'riss (Atrahal)
2 vote for Emurlahn (Telas, Sheltata Lore)

-Liz

[Karosis]

Had a quick spin through the rest of Eloth's posts, and noticed this one:

 Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

Well, that kind of invalidates all the energy I put in piling pressure on Meanas. The risk of doing a dkt, I suppose. The fact remains however that their defense is no defense, but just whining and grasping for straws. Usually, that's a case of where there is smoke, there is fire. Even if they're town, it is a good object lesson in how to put together a defense and how to play.

Eloth seems to be saying that it doesn't matter if Meanas is town, we should still lynch him! But in this game more than most, the consequences of being wrong are severe. We have to get quite a few lynches right in order to win this game, AND we have a finite time limit in which to do it (either the cults become too strong, or Batman eliminates all the cult leaders before we can get rid of him). In the early going, it's in the interest of the cults to leave each other alone as much as possible, since they need to cut down the number of town quite significantly in order to achieve a majority and the easiest way to do that is to rely on each other to recruit for the first few days. I think Eloth could be a cult leader who is trying to lead us astray.

Remove Vote

Vote Eloth

[Emurlahn]

I'll have a look and see if anything else jumps out.

Regarding Meanas, if we leave him alone knowing he is town we can take him out after either a CL or BM has been removed because they could choose him to hop into. Watch him closely that sort of thing.

[Karosis]

 Galain, on 05 June 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

 Emurlahn, on 05 June 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

With 8 hours to timeout i'd say we need to buck our ideas up. Sheltatha has laid down his 6th vote of the day so far how exciting. Not much content from him still though just a bunch of votes and i've responded to Telas.

Galain the reason I think Meanas is town based on his first post. Have a look and see what you think

Hrm, marginal. I think I get where you're coming from, but honestly, that could have been a random intro, too. But at this point I'm more being petulant than anything else - Meanas should be dead by modkill, he is not, therefore I'm voting for him as scum. Even though Ment as good as said he was town when mentioned talking it over with Liz.


Honestly, I don't see many alternatives on the table anyway. *shrug*

Petulance has no place here. Pragmatism is the order of the day. If you are town, you should be trying to find the player you think is most likely to be scum and trying to convince us that that is who we should be voting for. If you think that on the balance of probabilities Meanas is town, you should not be voting for him. Simple as that.

[Karosis]

 Emurlahn, on 05 June 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

I'll have a look and see if anything else jumps out.

Regarding Meanas, if we leave him alone knowing he is town we can take him out after either a CL or BM has been removed because they could choose him to hop into. Watch him closely that sort of thing.

Mmm, the nature of a cult game is that you cannot trust your assessments of players from day to day - just because you have a read on a player's alignment one day doesn't mean that they'll have that alignment on the next. This is going to be the sort of game where we're looking for u-turns and connections between players (from Day 2 onwards).

[Path-Shaper]

Messed up post count is messed up. Please ignore.

-Liz

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 05 June 2012 - 02:12 PM

[Emurlahn]

Galain has a grudge against Meanas which is understandable, Meanas is willing to repent though so that does go in his favour. I think he didn't know about having to play for your team regardless of where the game is going. The other three voting for Meanas though smacks of people going for the "easy" lynch. Meanas has got some peoples' backs up and stood by his early decision to not play for his team. Yet he said he'd do a 180 which is good enough for me. I do think he is town and annoying people may think he is, town is not the best option for a lynch. Now Spite, Eloth and D'riss. I have found Spite to be suspect, Karosis has found Eloth and someone else has found D'riss. The odds of them all being recruiters? Slim I know. Yet Karosis makes some good points about Eloth and I only have that post by Spite.

Remove Vote

Vote Eloth

[Emurlahn]

 Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

 Emurlahn, on 05 June 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

I'll have a look and see if anything else jumps out.

Regarding Meanas, if we leave him alone knowing he is town we can take him out after either a CL or BM has been removed because they could choose him to hop into. Watch him closely that sort of thing.

Mmm, the nature of a cult game is that you cannot trust your assessments of players from day to day - just because you have a read on a player's alignment one day doesn't mean that they'll have that alignment on the next. This is going to be the sort of game where we're looking for u-turns and connections between players (from Day 2 onwards).

I got this wrong. If I think he is town then he can only be a recruit unless BM picks him as a successor. Mucked up a bit in my reasoning but you get my drift which is good.

[Galain]

 Karosis, on 05 June 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

 Galain, on 05 June 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

 Emurlahn, on 05 June 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

With 8 hours to timeout i'd say we need to buck our ideas up. Sheltatha has laid down his 6th vote of the day so far how exciting. Not much content from him still though just a bunch of votes and i've responded to Telas.

Galain the reason I think Meanas is town based on his first post. Have a look and see what you think

Hrm, marginal. I think I get where you're coming from, but honestly, that could have been a random intro, too. But at this point I'm more being petulant than anything else - Meanas should be dead by modkill, he is not, therefore I'm voting for him as scum. Even though Ment as good as said he was town when mentioned talking it over with Liz.


Honestly, I don't see many alternatives on the table anyway. *shrug*

Petulance has no place here. Pragmatism is the order of the day. If you are town, you should be trying to find the player you think is most likely to be scum and trying to convince us that that is who we should be voting for. If you think that on the balance of probabilities Meanas is town, you should not be voting for him. Simple as that.

Well, as far as I'm concerned the game has already been broken, lol.


Simple pragmatism dictates that he is scum if still alive. But on the whole I agree with what you're saying. I was *going* to remove my vote in one post earlier before I left for work, but I forgot to do so, and then Meanas shovelling that insincere "I can change" bullshit topped off a rough night at work. Thus, I'm being petulant right now. I intend to keep being petulant for a while. But don't fret, I'm keeping an open mind and perusing the thread for other options.

[Korbas]

Actually, I pointed it out to Meanas right away. Then again. Then quotes the rules at him. Then again.

Either way, I'm liking the Eloth case, expect my vote to go that way once I get to my computer.

[Eloth]

 Liosan, on 05 June 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

I'm here, i'm queer and i'm catching up.

So you're Batman (as per my page 1 linkie)?

[Anomandaris]

Ok I am about to have to go to work and won't be back until after the timeout. I wont vote meanas becasue I think hes town, all mistakes in play style and team-spirit aside. Karosis makes a good point about Eloth, maybe it was just speculation on his part, but maybe not. Being day 1 we do not have much to go on, but id rather go with someone who i'm not sure about than someone who I feel is town. So...

Vote Eloth