[Path-Shaper]

Another message from Two-Face:

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I'm sure we can come to a mutually beneficial deal. SL and Emurlahn are mine.

[Omtose]

You guys are killing me with posts today. Hard to read and decide when there are constantly new ones. I really don't see any point to voting for Meanas YET. I am buying that he is town expecting to be recruited, and I felt like Ment's response confirmed that. We really can't trust anyone to be town from one day to the next so how does this change much in how we play going forward? The strategy is clear and simple: A lynch of BM or a CL would be GOOD a townie BAD. I think BM and CLs will be playing pretty similarly. While I like the idea of BM helping us take out the CLs we do need to get him eventually, and with his ability to come back its still going to be hard to take him out of the game completely.

Looking at the other two trains building, I don't want to put my vote where Sheltatha is. Shelly has been bouncing around with no real content so I don't feel particularly good with any of his decisions. Eloth made some reasonable speculation on game mechanics at the beginning. Sometimes scum do that to keep their posts looking like real content without sticking their necks out on anything else. I guess I can see that he could be Joker or Penguin distancing himself but still trying to maintain interest in Osseric.

[Eloth]

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 05 June 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

As far as it goes, I will be suspicious of anyone who continues to push for lynching Meanas merely to teach him a lesson, rather than for any other more substantive reason. It would clearly be advantageous for CLs and BM to divide us in this way.


As such, I'm finding the case for Eloth to be more substantial than that of my own case for D'riss.

Remove vote

Vote Eloth

What about Emur?

I'm inclined to consider Ano and Galain over those opportunistic votes.

I haven't seen enough to sway my vote towards Emurlahn, honestly. And Eloth's defence is not that of an innocent accused, IMO. I read it as a desperate man clutching in several different directions for safety, hoping one will be firm enough. Not convinced.

Funny. When I said that about Meanas people said I was whining .


As for clutching into different directions: the case on me is about my alledged motivations and tactics. In other words, I will have to debunk those motivations as strategically improbable. Which means you explore every angle. And do so with time running out, too. As such,better too much than regret leaving one.

Anyway, tell me then, since I am clearly hurting my own cause according to you, how should I defend myself in the future? Make puppy eyes and say I got the whole thing wrong and I'm so sorry, please let me off the hook? Post pictures of puppies or threaten to drown a kitten for each vote on me?

[Eloth]

Rashan, on 05 June 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Wow, so much happens over night! Anyway, I'm all caught up...

PS - I removed my vote last night. But just to be clear.

REMOVE VOTE

Now, having read through all the arguments and stuff, and the more I think about it, I'm liking Meanas less and less for a Cult Leader. He has just made a few too many small mistakes regarding the rules thing, I think he's just a newb who didn't realize that town was its own faction. To be honest, until Korbas made it very clear that it was, I wasn't sure of that either. Anyway, all that to say that I'm happy not putting my vote there.

Regarding the cases on Eloth and Emurlahn, I find both to be very slim. That being said, because of how I feel about Meanas, and because Eloth seems to still be sure, by his own admission, that Meanas is a recruiter, well, I think he might just be a recruiter trying to direct a lynch train. For that reason, I'm going to

VOTE ELOTH

Did you even read my defense? Why would a cult leader direct a lynch on day 1?

[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on 05 June 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Another message from Two-Face:

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I'm sure we can come to a mutually beneficial deal. SL and Emurlahn are mine.

What is this supposed to mean? I almost feel like we should be completely ignoring these messages. These guys are just trying to muddy the water and get us confused. More WIFOM.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 4 hours and 49 minutes left

22 people are still alive : Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Sheptatha Lore, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 to go to night.

5 votes for Eloth (Karosis, Emurlahn, Anomandaris, Galain, Atrahal, Eloth)
1 vote for Rashan (Meanas)
3 votes for Meanas (Spite, Eloth, D'riss)
3 vote for Emurlahn (Telas, Sheltata Lore)

-Liz

[Atrahal]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 05 June 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

As far as it goes, I will be suspicious of anyone who continues to push for lynching Meanas merely to teach him a lesson, rather than for any other more substantive reason. It would clearly be advantageous for CLs and BM to divide us in this way.


As such, I'm finding the case for Eloth to be more substantial than that of my own case for D'riss.

Remove vote

Vote Eloth

What about Emur?

I'm inclined to consider Ano and Galain over those opportunistic votes.

I haven't seen enough to sway my vote towards Emurlahn, honestly. And Eloth's defence is not that of an innocent accused, IMO. I read it as a desperate man clutching in several different directions for safety, hoping one will be firm enough. Not convinced.

Funny. When I said that about Meanas people said I was whining .


As for clutching into different directions: the case on me is about my alledged motivations and tactics. In other words, I will have to debunk those motivations as strategically improbable. Which means you explore every angle. And do so with time running out, too. As such,better too much than regret leaving one.

Anyway, tell me then, since I am clearly hurting my own cause according to you, how should I defend myself in the future? Make puppy eyes and say I got the whole thing wrong and I'm so sorry, please let me off the hook? Post pictures of puppies or threaten to drown a kitten for each vote on me?

As we have no indication of best strategy, only guesses, the best defence for you (IMO) would be to accept that suspicion is going to be thrown around fairly randomly, and therefore be calm and rational about your allegiances. Bluster and counter-accusation does not a defence make. Your more recent posts have been far more reasonable, and as I was only slightly more in favour of the case against you than that against anyone else, I'm now fairly equal. I'll likely go back to D'riss eventually, but for now:


Remove vote

[Atrahal]

Path-Shaper, on 05 June 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

3 vote for Emurlahn (Telas, Sheltata Lore)

-Liz

That would seem to be 2 votes, not 3

[Rashan]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Rashan, on 05 June 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Wow, so much happens over night! Anyway, I'm all caught up...

PS - I removed my vote last night. But just to be clear.

REMOVE VOTE

Now, having read through all the arguments and stuff, and the more I think about it, I'm liking Meanas less and less for a Cult Leader. He has just made a few too many small mistakes regarding the rules thing, I think he's just a newb who didn't realize that town was its own faction. To be honest, until Korbas made it very clear that it was, I wasn't sure of that either. Anyway, all that to say that I'm happy not putting my vote there.

Regarding the cases on Eloth and Emurlahn, I find both to be very slim. That being said, because of how I feel about Meanas, and because Eloth seems to still be sure, by his own admission, that Meanas is a recruiter, well, I think he might just be a recruiter trying to direct a lynch train. For that reason, I'm going to

VOTE ELOTH

Did you even read my defense? Why would a cult leader direct a lynch on day 1?

If you're a recruiter trying to get rid of a townie, it'd be good to try to convince people to vote a townie. Makes sense to me! Either way, I feel confident in my belief that Meanas is NOT a recruiter, which makes him BM or town. I doubt he's BM - I still think BM is probably one of the low posters with little content like Tulas, Omtose, Anthras, Liosan or Anomandaris - so I'm guessing he's town. You are trying to lynch a townie, and that makes you scummy. Thus, my vote.

[Eloth]

Rashan, on 05 June 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Rashan, on 05 June 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Wow, so much happens over night! Anyway, I'm all caught up...

PS - I removed my vote last night. But just to be clear.

REMOVE VOTE

Now, having read through all the arguments and stuff, and the more I think about it, I'm liking Meanas less and less for a Cult Leader. He has just made a few too many small mistakes regarding the rules thing, I think he's just a newb who didn't realize that town was its own faction. To be honest, until Korbas made it very clear that it was, I wasn't sure of that either. Anyway, all that to say that I'm happy not putting my vote there.

Regarding the cases on Eloth and Emurlahn, I find both to be very slim. That being said, because of how I feel about Meanas, and because Eloth seems to still be sure, by his own admission, that Meanas is a recruiter, well, I think he might just be a recruiter trying to direct a lynch train. For that reason, I'm going to

VOTE ELOTH

Did you even read my defense? Why would a cult leader direct a lynch on day 1?

If you're a recruiter trying to get rid of a townie, it'd be good to try to convince people to vote a townie. Makes sense to me! Either way, I feel confident in my belief that Meanas is NOT a recruiter, which makes him BM or town. I doubt he's BM - I still think BM is probably one of the low posters with little content like Tulas, Omtose, Anthras, Liosan or Anomandaris - so I'm guessing he's town. You are trying to lynch a townie, and that makes you scummy. Thus, my vote.

Yes, yes, scum wants to get rid of townies. Apart from the simple fact that in this game, they don't particularly want to do that. They want to get a majority and vote of Batman. Just like us, only we want to keep our majority.

If I were a recruiter, my priority lynch list would be as follows: 1A) fellow recruiter. 1B) batman 2) recruit of fellow recruiter 3) townie. Because today's townie is tomorrow's minion.

YOU'RE PLAYING A CULT GAME, RASHAN.

[Path-Shaper]

Suddenly voices are raised in rage and people are going at each others throat, intending to beat each other to death.
Then a shot falls and one of the men is lying on the floor not to ever get up again.

Sheltata Lore is dead. She was Shinrei and Solomon Grundy (Town)

It is Day 1. 4 hours and 33 minutes left

21 people are still alive : Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

takes 12 votes to lynch or 11 to go to night.

5 votes for Eloth (Karosis, Emurlahn, Anomandaris, Galain, Rashan)
1 vote for Rashan (Meanas)
3 votes for Meanas (Spite, Eloth, D'riss)
1 vote for Emurlahn (Telas)

-Liz

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 05 June 2012 - 05:27 PM

[Korbas]

Okay, so i forgot I had an optometrist app today. I have to go. I SHOULD be back before timeout.

Also, LOL @ day vig failure. Dummy.

[Ampelas]

here and catching up

[Ampelas]

Karosis, on 04 June 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

OK, so tracking back, I see there's been a lot of discussion about whether it's best to go after Batman or the Cults. According to Ment's clarification above, the Batman only needs to kill all the Cult leaders to win. If it weren't for that, I'd say it's a no brainer to go after the Cults first - they get stronger over time, whereas the Batman doesn't. But Batman's VCs throw that out the window. I think it's definitely in our interests to get rid of a cult or two, but given the mechanics about how information is revealed on cult members, I'm pretty sure that we're going to get information on thread that makes at least one of them a sure thing, so we can probably wait a little to see if any information comes out on that front. In the meantime, if we can force Batman to pull a Big Ben early, it will make his life a lot more difficult - having to emulate another player's style is pretty tough to keep up for a whole game. It's unclear whether an NK on Batman removes one of his lives...I hope so! But probably not something that's worth banking on.

Disagree. Yes, unless BM gets NK'd, we cannot lynch him the four times fast enough to still be the majority after the 4th time, unless we are really lucky with the cult leaders getting in each others' way and failing to recruit. But right now there are 17 of us working together so we can actually work to find batman now when the thread is fairly clear. Tomorrow there could be 8 cultists and batman vs 13 of us, with those 9 of them all muddying up the thread as batman goes for the CLs and the cults go for each others' throats. We've got a lot better chance of being productive and not getting side-tracked now when there's 5 roles hiding from the threat of a random day 1 lynch than we will have tomorrow with 9 non-town distracting us.

[Ampelas]

Galain, on 05 June 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

Alrighty, I've read up, everyone is running along smoothly. This game is nigh-unwinnable for town unless the cults are REALLY slow recruiters. Because by the time we get them down, and have to kill the Batman, to have plurality for town is going to be a one-in-a-thousand chance. We're fucked.

Ment was pretty confident the town can win. I expect there is a way to get back the cultists. Not necessarily a decoder.

Galain, on 05 June 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

Also, why is everyone ignoring my post about the fact that the OP only states there are four, confirmed, cultists? "

Because it's stupid? Stick to what you know from the OP, which doesn't seem to be hiding anything. If you go and make up hidden roles and mechanics you're just fearmongering. I don't KNOW that the Joker isn't also a Jester role, but since there is no reason to believe he is I will definitely lynch him given the opportunity!

[Eloth]

Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 05 June 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Another message from Two-Face:

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I'm sure we can come to a mutually beneficial deal. SL and Emurlahn are mine.

What is this supposed to mean? I almost feel like we should be completely ignoring these messages. These guys are just trying to muddy the water and get us confused. More WIFOM.

That might be best, indeed.

[Rashan]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

If I were a recruiter, my priority lynch list would be as follows: 1A) fellow recruiter. 1B) batman 2) recruit of fellow recruiter 3) townie. Because today's townie is tomorrow's minion.

That would be a priority list of anyone besides Batman, so I don't take that as a good argument. I think you're going after a townie, and I don't think it makes sense to go after a townie. It's suspicious, and seeing as there is pretty much no way we can figure out exactly who the cult leaders are, and because I still stand by my belief that Meanas is town, I still think you're the scummiest of the likely candidates. Thus, my vote stays.

[Rashan]

Eloth, on 05 June 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 June 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 05 June 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Another message from Two-Face:

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I'm sure we can come to a mutually beneficial deal. SL and Emurlahn are mine.

What is this supposed to mean? I almost feel like we should be completely ignoring these messages. These guys are just trying to muddy the water and get us confused. More WIFOM.

That might be best, indeed.

That's what, two people saying we should ignore Cult Leader messages? Trying to distance yourselves, perhaps?

[Atrahal]

Clarification: on the death of a CL, do their recruits revert back to Town? As that would be a huge incentive for us to go after CLs in the mid game.

[Ampelas]

Meanas, on 05 June 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

Ok, so here's the scoop: Apparently I misunderstood game mechanics. As per usual, I thought that town, having no chance of winning in my perspective, was more of a starting block for the rest of the soon to grow factions. I decided that the best strategy for myself and soon to be team was to go after batman, end up recruited (or not sense obviously I was being an idiot), and then play the dynamics of a continually changing faction game where only the recruiters were certainly on one team.

My mistake.


So if I'm around, I'll keep playing by Ment's ruling, but more than likely, I'm the first lynch. I apologize to waste your time townies. If somehow our faction wins, and I stand corrected, profuse apologies will abound. But as I so candidly said, the strategy seems in favor of cults and batman with town as an afterthought.

If I'm not lynched, you can be assured I'll play as if my misunderstanding is water under the bridge, and I'll do a 180. Your choice.

If this had happened right after the first slew of posts pointing out your "mistake" I might have believed it. But there's been 3 pages or so now of people explaining that this was counter-play, and NOW you apologize? So you were completely ignoring everyone correcting you on-thread?

That just makes you even fishier (like a CL who needed to get PS to clarify how playing town works so you can fake it better).