This is his case on Rashan. It's nothing I would personally call speculation (as I said at the time) because it isn't trying to spark any kind of role discussion, just RPing off the setting.
Atrahal, on 13 March 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:
Hail the Anti-Steve!!!!
Now:
Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:
Steve? No, Silanah is Go-Kashiwabara, our Emperor.
I highly doubt my fellow Ministers would be so ignorant as all previous posters seem. Too many to vote now, I will sulk in my own despair.
What manner of recruiter will attempt to bribe us, I wonder. Certainly nothing civil so far.
Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:
I, for one, consider it interesting that there may be more than one lowly briber. A single entity taking advantage of our temporary lack of funds does not surprise me, but multiple? Perhaps we will be able to play them against each other.
As someone in the newb game said - "He who smelt it, dealt it."
Vote Rashan
Some setting RP:
Atrahal, on 13 March 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:
I'm reading up your worshipfulness, if ye be here.
My profusiest of apologies for my lack of posting after the first one, but my calligraphy pen broke and I was unable to write more communiques until after it had been put back together. Right now, I will read up all these various messages which have reached us in the meantime.
"Rashan is still talking about something which, for now at least, only the out and out scum really know anything concrete about"
This seems a ridiculously misleading way of putting it. Anyone who'd read the OP could've done the same thing, and it's not like he's saying "Hey guys, I bet the recruiters can do X Y Z" and stirring shit up that way. Apparently my pointing out just how lame I think this case is counts as a defense. Sadly that's the problem with giving an opinion on cases.
Atrahal, on 13 March 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:
Well, I'm glad that my Rashan case is being seriously considered. Whether the role spec is specific or general (as Rashan argues) I believe makes no difference. Rashan is still talking about something which, for now at least, only the out and out scum really know anything concrete about. And yes, I'm a firm believer in those who know something being keen to put it out on thread, or lead conversation down that avenue, exactly because that's what they know something about and so can feel confident in talking about it, even if they're lacing their contributions with 'maybes' 'possiblys' and the like.
I was also interested to see Tellan and Barghast defend Rashan - not saying it's damning, but something I'd keep an eye on. Here's Tellan.
Tellan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:
People seem quick to hop on the bandwagon with Rashan.
It's possible I suppose, but seems just like setting RP to me...
Barghast is perhaps more interesting, in that he not only defends, but then also quickly latches on to the next proposed case, and tries to continue conversation about that instead. I realise his 'list' reference was a jest, rather than serious discussion of the other case, but it's still leading the conversation somewhere else.
[chopped a big quote nest from here]
"I agree":
Atrahal, on 13 March 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:
Silanah, on 13 March 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:
The only thing that stands out about Barghast right now is him saying to refrain from hasty actions. This to me seems like scum trying to seem super town because its day one and day one cases are shitty at best, downright random at worst
Ever wise are the prnonoucements of your magisterial, erm, majesty.
Some spam:
Atrahal, on 13 March 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:
Ruse, on 13 March 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:
Atrahal, on 13 March 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:
Silanah, on 13 March 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:
Atrahal, on 13 March 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:
I'm reading up your worshipfulness, if ye be here.
My profusiest of apologies for my lack of posting after the first one, but my calligraphy pen broke and I was unable to write more communiques until after it had been put back together. Right now, I will read up all these various messages which have reached us in the meantime.
Apologies. X-post
My lord emperor is far too kind. But please, never apologise, for you are the emperor, and the emperor does not make mistakes. We servants make mistakes by doing correct things at inappropriate times.
Dost thou propose that
thou, servant, can err only
in time and not truth?
Methinks a mindset
such as this may be worthy
of more attention.
Your poetry is hurtful to my ears and eyes. Methinks this is worthy of more attention.
As for myself, my suggestion was not a suggestion, but a statement - the emperor does not make mistakes. If we his humble servants should do something which makes it seem as if the emperor has indeed erred, then we, not he, are the ones at fault.
I really don't like this post. I don't like the shit he asks Ruse because it's just playing into being a "helpful townie", and contributing nothing while looking like content.
Agrees with another persons suspicions without going into depth. This is exactly the kind of thing he finds so scummy in Okaros later.
Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:
Omtose, on 13 March 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:
I don't have much time to play until Friday. Having read up, the Rashan case does have merit, well as much merrit as any day one case.
Koralain has also pinged my radar with his post saying he was ready to "whore himself out" (post #51)
I will be back in time for a vote. For now I will wait.
I think you mean post #42 (at least, that's what it says on my view), which is this:
Korvalain, on 13 March 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:
Well I guess I could whore myself out to earn a few extra bucks. Earn me a nice new cushion to sit on to make all this artsy stuff to sell.
So Omtose, why does this ping your radar? What could it mean in your opinion? A minister who's looking to be recruited? I can see that later in the game when it might look like town won't win, and some townies (scoundrel players) might be looking to switch to what they perceive to be a winning side, but on day 1 I don't see it.
I actually quite like the Karosis case - it's exactly the kind of thing I'd normally vote on on day 1 if I hadn't already made my own thing
Don't like this. He makes a (in my opinion) weak case against someone that they can't really say much to, then tries to draw them into reacting more. Considering how we tend to view "over-reaction", this is a dodgy move.
Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:
Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:
:yawn:
I can already tell I'm going to be lynched today, unless someone does something crazy.
If you are scum, pathetic attempt. If you are town, then fight goddamn you! Remember you're part of a team and if you're lynched, it hurts the whole team and not just your lazy ass. Yes, even on day 1. I would prefer to think you're silly scum - you do want to earn my respect don't you?
A stretch to criticize Okaros imo. Okaros comes on, and comments in fair detail on a case, even if some of the post is fairly well-covered ground (the stuff about day one). Sure he doesn't make his own case. That doesn't equal non contribution. Okaros' evaluation in considerably more in depth than some of the earlier "Hey, I agree that Rashan looks a bit scummy" stuff, which makes this criticism on him just seem OMGUS. Karosis goes on to decide this post is outright scummy.
Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:
Okaros, on 14 March 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:
Geez, it's no wonder people are turning up to check in and then leaving again. We're not even halfway through day one and already people are getting jumped on!
On top of that, between Karosis and Atrahal no one can win. If you defend yourself too much that is suspicious, but if you don't defend yourself at all you're also suspicious!
Day one cases are a crapshoot, and I don't blame Rashan for his resignation. It's pretty much impossible to against a day one case because anything you do or say will be micro-analysed. Sure, scum can slip up on day one as much as any other day, but it takes the context of the following days to find anything useful.
So with that, I am going to head off to work on my kickass Noh Dancing. I'll be back in time to vote. Try not to get your collective knickers twisted too much.
Translation: "I'll criticise other people's attempts to highlight things, but I won't bother to actually contribute anything myself. In fact, I'm not sure why I even posted on day 1. I'll vote for whoever is going to get lynched at the end of the day, because frankly I can't be bothered about giving a shit today."
This is why I don't like Atrahal.
It's not really for the Rashan case. I think the Rashan case is bollocks, but it's more than that. It's the fact that he's playing up his own contribution (see the Okaros post), stretching to contribute, and also had a suspicious following (look at the people jumping up after his initial post saying "Oh yeah, I thought that too", or Sorrit's little defenceof him). I really don't like him trying to force Rashan to "fight god damnit!" against a case where there's not really much he could say.
And I really don't like how he's trying to push his Rashan case by claiming all dissenting opinion is defense. I started by saying I didn't really agree with it. In my opinion, it is a weak case, because at the end of the day, he just seems to me to have been RPing off an element of the setting. Is that an unreasonable opinion for me to hold? Is it unbelievable that I don't think it really is a strong indicator of scum? It is defense only in so much as it is a reasonable disagreement. Were it a much stronger case then perhaps that disagreement would be notable, worth pushing on, but to me it seems ridiculous to call someone disagreeing with such a weak case defensive. Pushing a weak case by claiming someone is being defended after it gets pointed out how weak your case is, is simply poor play.
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