[Emurlahn]

The inital case against Rashan is weak and I don't think it is worth a vote, but Tellans attack of Atrahal and therefore his defense of Rashan make it more interesting.However the rainbow argument between Tellan and Atrahal strikes me as innocent headbutting more than anything else.
I could be completely off here though.

In the argument between Karosis and Okaros I can see both points. I like to see how Karosis reacts before I make up my mind about them.

I find Liosans summary strange. What was it good for? The only time I recall him giving an opinion is in the post where he votes and that seems to be a rather lazy vote, as he only seemed to consider between Rashan and Fener, who where leading in votes and have been targets all day long. An easy way to go with the flow.

vote Liosan






I also dislike that the train on Fener is the largest one right now. All the votes there stem from the "Let's lynch the Fener alt" thing and it gives us no information whatsoever.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1
14 auspicious hours and 40 minutes are left in the day.

21 players are left alive:
Atrahal, Barghast, D’riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Ruse Serc, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan, Tennes

3 votes Fener: Rashan, Korvalain, Barghast
2 votes Rashan: Atrahal, Liosan
2 votes Karosis: D'riss, Okaros
1 vote Mockra: Sorrit
1 vote Okaros: Karosis
1 vote Atrahal: Tellan
1 vote Liosan: Emurlahn


Players not voting: Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Mockra, Omtose, Olar Ethil, Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Tennes

[Gamelon]

Liosan is bothering me, but for now I'm putting it down to the excessive RP. I'm all for a bit of RP, Lio, but not to the point where it's makes what you're saying obscure.

I'm surprised Tellen is still talking about Rashan, to be honest. I'm unsure what it is that gives Tellen their level of certainty. But the colours are hurting my eyes, and will require rereading, I'm assuming it's in there. Not gunna lie, I skim read the shit out this last bit of thread.

Like Emur I dislike that Fener currently has the most votes. Joke votes are good and well, but we've got a couple of cases floating, and quite frankly if day one is going to be a "crapshoot" I'd rather it was one which generates some discussion.

Tired. Sleep time. Good night.

[Rashan]

Liosan, on 14 March 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

Barghast, on 14 March 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

I cannot help but wonder, at the risk of inciting the ire similar to that which threatens Rashan, whether or not the gods have demed it fit to place amongst us those vested with the ability to dispose of life, or whether such destiny is reserved solely to the Imperial executioners.

At last, and right before I leave for bed.

I would assume that Silanah has a kill, actually. If not that then a find, with an unrecruitable killer pair under his command.

Suspicions of Imperial assassins dancing across rooftops in the night belied just how mislead the Senior Eunuch Rashan was in these times. While such bloodshed was common in the countryside and provinces of his youth, here in the court the game was of a different sort. There were no bandits or murderers which one could chase after shouting "scum!" at. This was a game of influence and factions, with each side seeking to recruit its membership, rather than eliminate the competition outright. What need the court for night-time assassins against such a threat, when the democratic voice of its day-time court sessions were sufficient?

I appreciate the quality of speech you strive for, but you seem to have taken all of your time to sound good while your reasoning suffers. Do you really think there will be a game of Mafia where no one dies at night?

Liosan, on 14 March 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

The Emperor, unsure what to make of the accusations flying across the court, sequestered himself with the three ducal lords for counsel. To each, he asked their views of the allegations heard that day. The Imperial Historian replied thus:

"My liege, the histories teach us that a scoundrel once does not ensure a scoundrel twice. Surely we can keep watch over the Minister of Education, Fener, without the need to debase him without evidence based solely upon his record? Meanwhile, I concur with the rhetoric that the Senior Eunuch Rashan's eagerness to speculate on the nature of the outer factions' methods of lobbying may be indicative of an attempt at hiding his own cronyism. The historical texts of our past struggles teaches us that this behaviour has occurred before, and further his rebuttals to these arguments have been of a heated sort intended to deflect rather a defence upon himself. For these reasons do I suspect him, lord."

Vote Rashan

I have an idea. Let's NOT talk about the primary mechanic that is part of this game. Are you people serious? Again, I understand the need for a day 1 lynch, but this is not an okay reason. So the first person to be bored of day 1 bullshit and tries to start a serious conversation about our the scum faction is being targeted. I'll keep that in mind for future games. I would hope you're truthfully ignorant and not playing yourself off as such.

Fener, on 14 March 2012 - 04:34 AM, said:

Ye gods, what a futile and unproductive pissing match. It's a particularly useless variant of "You said that I said that he said that I said that they said that you said something completely fucking irrelevant!!1!"

And the rainbow thing makes my brain hurt. For that alone, I hate this particular bitch fest.

As Fener points out, this is pointless. Lynch me or don't, there's nothing of substance to this case so there's nothing to be defended against. That someone as well spoken as Liosan would see any merit in it is disturbing.

It's one thing to vote for a day 1 lynch, it's another to take a case that is based on a nonsensical premise and agree with it.

Olar Ethil, on 14 March 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 13 March 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Yes but on day one there is usually scant little and the reasons and cases are almost always bullshit, and wrong. It is not always vocal players that are lynched either, or not ones that were massively vocal before being targeted, sometimes it is for a small exchange, a joke etc. I am not suggesting we should lynch a vocal player but that it seems considering it is day one and people generally don't fully kick into gear at this point that going after someone who is seen as non-commital is at this point more likely to hit a town player. That player hasn't had a massively volume of posts and isn't saying something out there, lets lynch them, just seems strange. Which is the way what you said came across to me, even if you didn't mean it as such. Also, some people generally have less agressive play styles which against more aggressive ones may seem non-commital.

Also by that reasoning it is just as sensible to go after an actual low poster as opposed to a mild one.

The reason I was feeling that the pool of players who are around but not coming to any decisions was a better bet was simply that I tend to find scum have more enthusiasm for at least being part of the game. But of course that doesn't rule out people who are schedulistically challenged, so it's a fair point that the actual low posters are just as much fair game.


I get the impression that you still have the paradigm wrong here. You are still worrying about possibly hitting an inno with a playstyle that fits the profile I'm proposing we target. This is not the right mindset to be in - when we have such a huge majority, you should not be worrying about getting it wrong, but rather thinking about what you could try doing to get it right with the lynch.

It was not so much that, though clearly my point was not well made, as that just going on those criteria alone were counter-productive, because surely the best thing to do is to look at and make cases, which have the added advantage of giving us more to go off once we have information back on them, even if they were crap they usually give us things to explore further and connections to make.

Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

Here's the post from OE that bothered me:

Olar Ethil, on 13 March 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

I've also been getting a certain vibe from Rashan, from almost their first post, there is just a scummy feeling to him. As far as discussing mechanics goes though it doesn't seem overly involved though, still, i'll defintly be paying attention there.

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Well I'm bored. Shall we lynch someone, then?

Oh dear, Fener is in this game. Goodbye, old enemy.

Vote Fener

Ah, good old Fener'eal disease. Not a bad pick.

Personally I want to lynch someone who is trying to keep a low profile. Make a change from the standard "lynch both sides of the first shouting match to appear" paradigm.

underlined made me chuckle/

Hard to lynch a low profiler on day one as its diffucult to determine who hasn't checked in/ the game started at a weird hour for them, between those laying low.

Ah, but there's a difference between people who are not posting much and people who are laying low. I mean, you're not going to lynch someone who has said nothing, but someone who posts but is non-committal...those you can go after.

What Karosis said here also made me uneasy. Going for someone who seems non-committal, not someone who hasn't posted but someone who is not making waves? It is day one. Day one generally does not see very many strong cases and it can be understandable then why people are non-committal, many are even though they vote a certain player on day one. I'm not saying non-commital players do not warrant attention but I think that they become more apparent and more likely to be scum or role later in the game. On day one it can be a combination of not much to comment on, weak cases and time constraints. I think going after that on day one makes it just as likely to hit town.

The first part is so damned noncommittal, but there are quite a few people who have posted like that today. So I'm willing to ignore it, I suppose.

What bothers me more is the strangeness of the last paragraph there. It doesn't make much sense, I could refute all of it if I wasn't so sure someone had done it already. It reads as scum, or someone who doesn't quite know what's going on. Either way I'd prefer them gone, as of right now.

I don't know how it indicates I don't know what is going on, I am trying to say using one criteria and basing a lynch on it is a bad idea, you shouldn't focus on one thing at the risk of missing something else in another bracket.

As for non-commital...well my gut was telling me from pretty much your first post that you were scummy but I wasn't exactly seeing that case as oh so damning, though I still think you are suspicious. Should I vote purely off my gut when there were about 30 hours still to go?

Just up, i've read over the thread, I'm going to put my thoughts on players/cases in another post though otherwise this will become too quotey and long.

I prefer to not comment on a case that I have no opinion on unless it's imperative to do so. Maybe that's just me, but I tire of reading "Yes, but..." "Maybe..." "Well, kinda".

Tellan is either fake symping me or has no clue what he's doing. Everyone should know by now that you let people defend themselves. The part defending me could easily be taken out of his argument against Atrahal. So, again, he either doesn't know what he's doing or wants me dead so that when I CF inno he'll be looked at in a better light. If I AM lynched, I would urge you to not give any beneficial treatment to Tellan.

Emurlahn, on 14 March 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

The inital case against Rashan is weak and I don't think it is worth a vote, but Tellans attack of Atrahal and therefore his defense of Rashan make it more interesting.However the rainbow argument between Tellan and Atrahal strikes me as innocent headbutting more than anything else.
I could be completely off here though.

In the argument between Karosis and Okaros I can see both points. I like to see how Karosis reacts before I make up my mind about them.

I find Liosans summary strange. What was it good for? The only time I recall him giving an opinion is in the post where he votes and that seems to be a rather lazy vote, as he only seemed to consider between Rashan and Fener, who where leading in votes and have been targets all day long. An easy way to go with the flow.

vote Liosan






I also dislike that the train on Fener is the largest one right now. All the votes there stem from the "Let's lynch the Fener alt" thing and it gives us no information whatsoever.

That's the problem. It can be played of as RP, he trying to be some kind of historian. But it's also a summary. Which has been a scummy thing to do lately, for some reason. Summaries should also be short and succinct if they're actually supposed to be helpful. He covered the entire game in about as many posts as the game has. Annoying.

It's too close to time out now for Fener to be the top train. I'm going to.

Remove Vote

[Olar Ethil]

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Interesting stuff on Rashan. I personally don't find early role spec to be all that much of a scum tell, but worth bearing in mind.

The one who caught my attention was actually Kalse. His first post felt like he was trying too hard:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

And So I arrive to a scene of poetry, innuendos and poorly executed Haikus. How far our mighty court has fallen. How do we expect to make any money with such drivel. Calligraphy is where it's at. Left handed Calligraphy is all the rage these days! So I give to you my gift. The most excellent calligraphy in the land. All for the glory of the empire!

He starts off with an off-the-cuff summary, which always triggers my warning flags, and then he proceeds to try and continue the RP, but in a manner that feels forced. It's almost as if he was saying to himself: "I must blend in with the other RPers!" as he typed it.

Remove Vote
Vote Kalse

Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

Omtose, on 13 March 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

I don't have much time to play until Friday. Having read up, the Rashan case does have merit, well as much merrit as any day one case.

Koralain has also pinged my radar with his post saying he was ready to "whore himself out" (post #51)

I will be back in time for a vote. For now I will wait.

I think you mean post #42 (at least, that's what it says on my view), which is this:

Korvalain, on 13 March 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

Well I guess I could whore myself out to earn a few extra bucks. Earn me a nice new cushion to sit on to make all this artsy stuff to sell.

So Omtose, why does this ping your radar? What could it mean in your opinion? A minister who's looking to be recruited? I can see that later in the game when it might look like town won't win, and some townies (scoundrel players) might be looking to switch to what they perceive to be a winning side, but on day 1 I don't see it.


I actually quite like the Karosis case - it's exactly the kind of thing I'd normally vote on on day 1 if I hadn't already made my own thing

Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

:yawn:

I can already tell I'm going to be lynched today, unless someone does something crazy.

If you are scum, pathetic attempt. If you are town, then fight goddamn you! Remember you're part of a team and if you're lynched, it hurts the whole team and not just your lazy ass. Yes, even on day 1. I would prefer to think you're silly scum - you do want to earn my respect don't you?

Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

For the record, when I said I quite like the Karosis case, I meant I quite like the Karosis case ON Kalse, rather than voting for Karosis. I realise this is confusing

Karosis, on 14 March 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

:yawn:

I can already tell I'm going to be lynched today, unless someone does something crazy.

If you are scum, pathetic attempt. If you are town, then fight goddamn you! Remember you're part of a team and if you're lynched, it hurts the whole team and not just your lazy ass. Yes, even on day 1. I would prefer to think you're silly scum - you do want to earn my respect don't you?

+1

These exchanges here stood out to me, there seems to be a lot of agreement between Karosis and Atrahal, stopping short of back patting at times, at least this is how it comes across to me. They are both being rather dominant personalities on thread, Athrahal is leading one of the more substantial cases and Karosis is voting all over the place but his main case seems to have been on Kalse. They both agree with each other on the Kalse thing, him seeing scummy/trying too hard to RP, which sounded quite weak as far as cases go. On the one hand Karosis agrees with Atrahal you should fight to save yourself and commends the post saying this much that is aimed at Rashan and yet when Kalse defends himself he is being too defensive and trying too hard. Just the whole thing feels off.

On a re-reading the thread the possible symping of Rashan by Tellan really stands out as well, now Rashan is pretty dead set against there being a connection between them, so possibly it is fake symping and if it was fake symping and an attempt to throw more suspicion on Rashan then it is interesting to think who Tellan is trying to divert attention away from. Of course he could just be an overzealous/clumsy symp that is not taking Rashan's hints. Karosis is sitting on the same number of votes as Rashan at the moment so I wonder if it is a possible way to distract from Karosis, his abrasive play and his erratic voting behaviour.

[Tennes]

I've been reading up the last two hours or so and have a few comments. I'm going to grab some lunch and post when I get back.

[Tennes]

Rather than covering what most people have covered so far I want to mention Serc. My initial read through a few players stood out for different reasons. One of those that stood out to me was Serc



Post No 20

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

I'm here

Hail the Emperor

(since when is Steve a Japanese name?)

This seems to be against the grain to what is on thread. Reading through the first few posts it appears out of context. Like he is trying but failing to fit in.



Post number 80/81 something like that

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

I have changed my avatar - How does it look?

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

I have changed my avatar - How does it look?

It looks like two people firing lasers out of their asses at a discombobulated garden gnome.

Quickly, we must steal his technology!

Remove Vote
Vote Serc

Really? Because on my screen its still the grumpy Chinese man

EDIT: fixed now

The discussion on thread at the time was about Rashan. Silanah had just voted for him. Atrahal had just made a case on Rashan (which resonated with me). Karosis had mentioned voted off "coasters" or those trying to keep a low profile. Following this case on Rashan by Atrahal both kalse and Korv immdeiately agree. serc agrees but doesn't add any of his own thoughts, he just posts those two posts about avatars.



I cannot remember these post numbers as i'm half way through but these last two posts show one liners against Tellan. It is like he wants to avoid confrontation and conflict but add to the amounting pressure on Rashan.

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

Tellan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

People seem quick to hop on the bandwagon with Rashan.

It's possible I suppose, but seems just like setting RP to me...

discussing mechanics is not RP, imo

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

Steve? No, Silanah is Go-Kashiwabara, our Emperor.

I highly doubt my fellow Ministers would be so ignorant as all previous posters seem. Too many to vote now, I will sulk in my own despair.

What manner of recruiter will attempt to bribe us, I wonder. Certainly nothing civil so far.

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

I, for one, consider it interesting that there may be more than one lowly briber. A single entity taking advantage of our temporary lack of funds does not surprise me, but multiple? Perhaps we will be able to play them against each other.

This is what is being referred to, previously quoted by someone else, Atrahal maybe
I would like clarification on the underlined part

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Tellan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

Tellan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

People seem quick to hop on the bandwagon with Rashan.

It's possible I suppose, but seems just like setting RP to me...

discussing mechanics is not RP, imo

I can't really see anything in his posts that I would describe as properly discussing mechanics though.

discussing mechanic = vague Maybe role speculation would be more accurate

I am going to have another look to see if there is anything else added by Serc but I don't think there is. My point is that Serc seems to want to avoid notice. He stands out from the thread because he does not participate with what is being said.



That being said I have only had one full read through the thread.



Posts 15 and 17 between D'riss and Barghast could be just banter but it could also be looked at as signalling as they talk about food. Karosis votes for D'riss then Serc then Kalse then Okaros. Is that them all? His plays screams that any body will do as long as it isn't him. His vote becomes less strong due to this fact. Rashan mentioned the recruiter and also a killing pair under silanah's leadership which came out of no where, rashan also mentioned in one of his posts, in fact, post 94 that there may only be one scum and a symp whereas it states in the OP that there are multiple scum. Korv mentioned multiple scum and how he thinks they would play in post number 131.



That is all I have at the moment. My top 3 for scum today would be Rashan, Serc and Karosis. Karosis seems to have his fingers in the most pies at the moment. If he is scum we could look at who he hasn't voted. His first vote on Serc though smacked of a hello.



For now I am going to



Vote Serc



I should be back later to change my vote if needed.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1
12 auspicious hours and 38 minutes are left in the day.

21 players are left alive:
Atrahal, Barghast, D’riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Ruse Serc, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan, Tennes

2 votes Fener: Korvalain, Barghast
2 votes Rashan: Atrahal, Liosan
2 votes Karosis: D'riss, Okaros
1 vote Mockra: Sorrit
1 vote Okaros: Karosis
1 vote Atrahal: Tellan
1 vote Liosan: Emurlahn
1 vote Serc: Tennes


Players not voting: Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Mockra, Omtose, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Silanah

[Karosis]

Back briefly, but unfortunately I'm snowed under at work at the moment so I can't really hang around. But reading through the thread, a couple of points:

- If you're going to have a big debate/quote fest, please don't do replies in line. The colours hurt everyone's eyes and make it hard to read and follow the arguments involved. Before you post, stop and decide if your post is going to be easily readable and if it isn't, go back and make it so. Otherwise you're causing needless eye pain for everyone involved. Feel free to snip out prior discussion - people can go back and read the previous posts if they want that, it's all there. Quote minimally and pertinantly, but do use the quote boxes - in moderation, they make understanding a conversation much easier.

- Liosan, your RP is getting annoying. It all seems designed to obfuscate the fact that you aren't actually contributing, just summarizing. The only opinion you have given is the vote on Rashan:

Liosan, on 14 March 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

The Emperor, unsure what to make of the accusations flying across the court, sequestered himself with the three ducal lords for counsel. To each, he asked their views of the allegations heard that day. The Imperial Historian replied thus:

"My liege, the histories teach us that a scoundrel once does not ensure a scoundrel twice. Surely we can keep watch over the Minister of Education, Fener, without the need to debase him without evidence based solely upon his record? Meanwhile, I concur with the rhetoric that the Senior Eunuch Rashan's eagerness to speculate on the nature of the outer factions' methods of lobbying may be indicative of an attempt at hiding his own cronyism. The historical texts of our past struggles teaches us that this behaviour has occurred before, and further his rebuttals to these arguments have been of a heated sort intended to deflect rather a defence upon himself. For these reasons do I suspect him, lord."

Vote Rashan

Once you strip away all the flowery prose, there's really not that much here. And what evidence you do use doesn't really stack up. It feels like you're just partaking in an elaborate form of coasting, and this makes me suspicous.


I'll talk more when I've got the time.

[Rashan]

Quote

Rashan mentioned the recruiter and also a killing pair under silanah's leadership which came out of no where, rashan also mentioned in one of his posts, in fact, post 94 that there may only be one scum and a symp whereas it states in the OP that there are multiple scum.

Let me take this and explain to you why all the accusations against me are nonsense.

1.

Speculating is good. And you read selectively. It did not come out of nowhere. It was in response to this post:

Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

Barghast, on 14 March 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

I cannot help but wonder, at the risk of inciting the ire similar to that which threatens Rashan, whether or not the gods have demed it fit to place amongst us those vested with the ability to dispose of life, or whether such destiny is reserved solely to the Imperial executioners.

At last, and right before I leave for bed.

I would assume that Silanah has a kill, actually. If not that then a find, with an unrecruitable killer pair under his command.

Barghast speculated on the existence of a killer. I agreed that there is most likely a killer, but it is more likely to be the Emperor or under his command, their mission to eliminate the dissenters and those who bribed them to begin with.

Tell me again what's wrong with this?

2.

Actually, I said this:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

[snip]

The "he who smelt it dealt it " rule (crude, by the way) does not apply here, as I was attempting to discuss the scum faction(s) overall, not any specific role. The specific rule is actually that whomever talks of a >role< first tends to be that role. It is, of course, not always true, but scum often use it to target roled players, and it is again widely used in faction games. In a game where there appears to be only 1 role for scum (maybe a symp, do you think?) discussing the the opposing factions without bringing up their role would be impossible, I'm afraid.

[snip]

I see nowhere in there that implies only 1 scum, except the underlined. And that comes from the OP.

The slightly enlarged text says that there appears to be only 1 role for scum. That's EACH FACTION. Did you read the OP? Recruiters are clearly the danger here, not the normal killer as the one we hunt. So me saying 1 role for scum, then saying maybe a symp too makes perfect sense. In fact, I'd guarantee there are symps which are, flavor wise, Ministers that have already been corrupted before the game begun.

3.

You're right, it does say there are multiple scum in the OP, leaving the possibility of multiple factions open. I still don't see the problem here. It says scum are "mostly recruiters". So what other roles would be in this type of game besides recruiters and symps? A killer would make much more sense on the Emperor's side.

Still not seeing anything you posted about me as valid. And I felt the need to dispel this one because it had a few new things that people had yet to regurgitate, better to do it now than later.



On your Serc case, I don't necessarily disagree, but I can find plenty of people who are coasting around here. I'd rather lynch someone else, preferably Olar Ethil.

[Path-Shaper]

Night, by the way, will be stated as 8 hours, but in principle I am hoping provisionals will be in early and confirmed quickly since I don't want nights that drag on forever kthxbai

[Atrahal]

Tellan versus Atrahal

Atrahal: Tellan might be defending Rashan a little
Tellan: I'm not defending Rashan, Rashan's a saint who can't do no wrong!
Atrahal: You seem a little touchy, Tellan, I'm keeping my eyes on you
Tellan: No, I'm keeping my eyes on you! You're scummy, your posts are scummy.
Atrahal: Well, your responses to my responses are scummy!
Tellan: You're not answering my questions!
Atrahal: You're ignoring my responses!
Tellan: You smell!
Atrahal: No, you smell!


Having read over our conversations, consider the above my acknowledgement that Tellan and I are simply repeating each other's accusations back at each other

[Rashan]

hehehe.

[Path-Shaper]

Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Tellan versus Atrahal

Atrahal: Tellan might be defending Rashan a little
Tellan: I'm not defending Rashan, Rashan's a saint who can't do no wrong!
Atrahal: You seem a little touchy, Tellan, I'm keeping my eyes on you
Tellan: No, I'm keeping my eyes on you! You're scummy, your posts are scummy.
Atrahal: Well, your responses to my responses are scummy!
Tellan: You're not answering my questions!
Atrahal: You're ignoring my responses!
Tellan: You smell!
Atrahal: No, you smell!


Having read over our conversations, consider the above my acknowledgement that Tellan and I are simply repeating each other's accusations back at each other

AAAAHHH MY EYES!!!


(quoted deliberately)

[D'riss]

Tennes, on 14 March 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

Posts 15 and 17 between D'riss and Barghast could be just banter but it could also be looked at as signalling as they talk about food. Karosis votes for D'riss then Serc then Kalse then Okaros. Is that them all? His plays screams that any body will do as long as it isn't him. His vote becomes less strong due to this fact. Rashan mentioned the recruiter and also a killing pair under silanah's leadership which came out of no where, rashan also mentioned in one of his posts, in fact, post 94 that there may only be one scum and a symp whereas it states in the OP that there are multiple scum. Korv mentioned multiple scum and how he thinks they would play in post number 131.



That is all I have at the moment. My top 3 for scum today would be Rashan, Serc and Karosis. Karosis seems to have his fingers in the most pies at the moment. If he is scum we could look at who he hasn't voted. His first vote on Serc though smacked of a hello.

LOL at using skittles as signalling. If I could work out how that actually would work, it could be GENIUS! The colors alone could be signals between players... BUT WAIT! Haven't we been talking in rainbows all night? Let me get out my decoder ring and I'll get back to you all on that one.

Tennes, you nailed my feelings about Karosis with this line "His plays screams that any body will do as long as it isn't him. " Karosis is either a 'kill anyone but me' townie, or scum. I still get the same scummy feelings about Rashan regarding his talk of bribes. I'll have to do another reread to make a decision on how I feel about Serc.

[Atrahal]

So my suspects at the moment, as well as Rashan (duh), are Omtose, because of his questioning of one of Korvalain's posts which I found strange (and which Tellan also took umbrage over ). It struck me as someone trying too hard to think as a townie and pointing out something as signalling which would only make sense if the person doing it (Korv in this case) was in fact a townie himself. Yeah, I know this is a mega-stretch at the moment but I plead day 1.

My other suspects, according to a mathematical formula for finding scum which I have devised, are Kalse and D'riss. No case, no post analysis, no gut feeling, just pure and simple maths. Who can argue against the logic of mathematics eh?

[D'riss]

Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

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Rashan mentioned the recruiter and also a killing pair under silanah's leadership which came out of no where, rashan also mentioned in one of his posts, in fact, post 94 that there may only be one scum and a symp whereas it states in the OP that there are multiple scum.

Let me take this and explain to you why all the accusations against me are nonsense.

1.

Speculating is good. And you read selectively. It did not come out of nowhere. It was in response to this post:

Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

Barghast, on 14 March 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

I cannot help but wonder, at the risk of inciting the ire similar to that which threatens Rashan, whether or not the gods have demed it fit to place amongst us those vested with the ability to dispose of life, or whether such destiny is reserved solely to the Imperial executioners.

At last, and right before I leave for bed.

I would assume that Silanah has a kill, actually. If not that then a find, with an unrecruitable killer pair under his command.

Barghast speculated on the existence of a killer. I agreed that there is most likely a killer, but it is more likely to be the Emperor or under his command, their mission to eliminate the dissenters and those who bribed them to begin with.

Tell me again what's wrong with this?

2.

Actually, I said this:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

[snip]

The "he who smelt it dealt it " rule (crude, by the way) does not apply here, as I was attempting to discuss the scum faction(s) overall, not any specific role. The specific rule is actually that whomever talks of a >role< first tends to be that role. It is, of course, not always true, but scum often use it to target roled players, and it is again widely used in faction games. In a game where there appears to be only 1 role for scum (maybe a symp, do you think?) discussing the the opposing factions without bringing up their role would be impossible, I'm afraid.

[snip]

I see nowhere in there that implies only 1 scum, except the underlined. And that comes from the OP.

The slightly enlarged text says that there appears to be only 1 role for scum. That's EACH FACTION. Did you read the OP? Recruiters are clearly the danger here, not the normal killer as the one we hunt. So me saying 1 role for scum, then saying maybe a symp too makes perfect sense. In fact, I'd guarantee there are symps which are, flavor wise, Ministers that have already been corrupted before the game begun.

3.

You're right, it does say there are multiple scum in the OP, leaving the possibility of multiple factions open. I still don't see the problem here. It says scum are "mostly recruiters". So what other roles would be in this type of game besides recruiters and symps? A killer would make much more sense on the Emperor's side.

Still not seeing anything you posted about me as valid. And I felt the need to dispel this one because it had a few new things that people had yet to regurgitate, better to do it now than later.



On your Serc case, I don't necessarily disagree, but I can find plenty of people who are coasting around here. I'd rather lynch someone else, preferably Olar Ethil.

That's quite the list you've assembled...

[Atrahal]

LIST!!!!!



That's the final nail in the coffin for you, Rashan!

[Rashan]

Vote Tellan

The way he defends me so blatantly bothers me a lot. The fake symping stuff is something that symps usually do, but so could ballsy scum. I get a strong scum vibe from him, especially because he is setting himself up as a symp (ie no one we would lynch, we'd go for the big guy).

I like Tellan gone more than anyone else at the current moment.

[Olar Ethil]

Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

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Rashan mentioned the recruiter and also a killing pair under silanah's leadership which came out of no where, rashan also mentioned in one of his posts, in fact, post 94 that there may only be one scum and a symp whereas it states in the OP that there are multiple scum.

Let me take this and explain to you why all the accusations against me are nonsense.

1.

Speculating is good. And you read selectively. It did not come out of nowhere. It was in response to this post:

Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

Barghast, on 14 March 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

I cannot help but wonder, at the risk of inciting the ire similar to that which threatens Rashan, whether or not the gods have demed it fit to place amongst us those vested with the ability to dispose of life, or whether such destiny is reserved solely to the Imperial executioners.

At last, and right before I leave for bed.

I would assume that Silanah has a kill, actually. If not that then a find, with an unrecruitable killer pair under his command.

Barghast speculated on the existence of a killer. I agreed that there is most likely a killer, but it is more likely to be the Emperor or under his command, their mission to eliminate the dissenters and those who bribed them to begin with.

Tell me again what's wrong with this?

2.

Actually, I said this:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

[snip]

The "he who smelt it dealt it " rule (crude, by the way) does not apply here, as I was attempting to discuss the scum faction(s) overall, not any specific role. The specific rule is actually that whomever talks of a >role< first tends to be that role. It is, of course, not always true, but scum often use it to target roled players, and it is again widely used in faction games. In a game where there appears to be only 1 role for scum (maybe a symp, do you think?) discussing the the opposing factions without bringing up their role would be impossible, I'm afraid.

[snip]

I see nowhere in there that implies only 1 scum, except the underlined. And that comes from the OP.

The slightly enlarged text says that there appears to be only 1 role for scum. That's EACH FACTION. Did you read the OP? Recruiters are clearly the danger here, not the normal killer as the one we hunt. So me saying 1 role for scum, then saying maybe a symp too makes perfect sense. In fact, I'd guarantee there are symps which are, flavor wise, Ministers that have already been corrupted before the game begun.

3.

You're right, it does say there are multiple scum in the OP, leaving the possibility of multiple factions open. I still don't see the problem here. It says scum are "mostly recruiters". So what other roles would be in this type of game besides recruiters and symps? A killer would make much more sense on the Emperor's side.

Still not seeing anything you posted about me as valid. And I felt the need to dispel this one because it had a few new things that people had yet to regurgitate, better to do it now than later.



On your Serc case, I don't necessarily disagree, but I can find plenty of people who are coasting around here. I'd rather lynch someone else, preferably Olar Ethil.

It's good to be loved.

Also, as far as the me not being committal thing, well, I wanted to say I was getting a scummy vibe from you, because I was. It is gut. I try not to vote on gut alone though. Doesn't mean I'm not going to share my feeling though, especially when others have a similar reaction.

On role speculation I think you have made some good points, it certainly suggests there are multiple scum factions and they act as recruiters. It would make sense if they could recruit before day started, I'd also hazard a guess that if the killers are the emperors then the recruiter is going to have some kind of BP, at least a one time BP, this also makes sense considering the emperor cannot be killed/NK'd and would reduce the chances of a recruiter in a small faction being killed before they have much of a chance to recruit. I think there will be certain players that will be unrecruitable as well, killers maybe, or healers or guards.