[Atrahal]

Tellan, on 13 September 2011 - 01:38 AM, said:

And after a whole page, we are up to 7 on the lynch train. Any of the lurkers wish to polish this off so we can move on? And if not, why?

Fair enough

Vote Kalse

Tennes, on 13 September 2011 - 12:42 AM, said:

Tellan, on 13 September 2011 - 12:35 AM, said:

You know Tennes, I am about > < that close to voting for you. You are insufferable. You switch your vote to someone else entirely (not even a low poster, which in past posts seemed to be you primary focus). I would love to see you out of this game, and the only thing holding me back is thinking you are stupid townie. Only thing man.

I switched to the person I think most likely to be scum.

My dislike of low posters is that town doing it (and I doubt they're all roled), makes it harder to catch roled players, it gives them somewhere to hide where we've nothing to go on to tell them apart from town. But this is the very thing that makes me wary of voting them. While I'm certain there are roled players amongst the low posters, what is there to go on to say which are more likely to be town and which roled? I'd rather vote someone that I have more of a read on and reasons to suspect that person, than take a stab into the dark at a group where I have reasons to suspect there are roled players but no reason to suspect any one over another.

I'll switch skin and try and fix my posts.

I think You are FBI -, I dont think that is enough get you lynched just yet, as I don't think we could swing the train around in time, but the "Im looking for SCUM part" makes me think that you think FBI are the "good guys" and the Mobster are "scum" with town in the middle. So there you have it ladies and gentlemen, Tennes is mad that he's a man down, and is looking to even the odds. Like I said, probably FBI, and probably not gonna get the train to swing.

Edit - clarity and spelling

This post has been edited by Atrahal: 13 September 2011 - 02:10 AM

[Serc]

Tennes, on 13 September 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

Tellan, on 13 September 2011 - 01:35 AM, said:

And yet another waffle from the man with too much drama, too much bluster, too little useful content, and too little thinky-meatz.

Frankly, I could level the same accusations at your own content.


You state the obvious a few times. Then you get into the "intriguing" connection between Anthras and Kalse, and then you get into moaning about me and how little content I provide.

So you complained about me not providing content, then went after a single low poster out of the group who I had been complaining about for quite some time prior.

And now you're back to complaining about my content.

I have given you the details of who I find most suspicious, along with taking a look at the 10 or so lowest posters and looking at their content. Tell me, where is your assessment of their content that led you to choose Kalse? Indeed, in a post about half an hour after you said you thought Kalse was a good candidate, and linked to all his posts, you "just finished going through his posts" and were "retracting your assumption". So wait, had you even read his posts the first time around? Because your first post implied you had. And I certainly can't see much evidence that you considered other people.

And what are your thoughts on Serc, while we're at it.

You say when you were pointing out the similarity in Kalses and Anthras' posts that:

"I was mainly pointing out blatant celebrations of successful kills of roled players that were almost so townie they were sickening"

What do you think about Sercs comment about being happy there were no town deaths, which seems rather contrived to me.

You are making a lot of accusations wit nothing to back them up.

My thoughts, about your long post where you examined low posters: You clearly put work into it. It just affirmed Kalse as who seemed the best lynch target to me. Although, it did brig Anomandaris into the light for me. He seems fishy, and I didn't notice until your post.

[Tennes]

Atrahal, on 13 September 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:

Tellan, on 13 September 2011 - 01:38 AM, said:

And after a whole page, we are up to 7 on the lynch train. Any of the lurkers wish to polish this off so we can move on? And if not, why?

Fair enough

Vote Kalse

Tennes, on 13 September 2011 - 12:42 AM, said:

Tellan, on 13 September 2011 - 12:35 AM, said:

You know Tennes, I am about > < that close to voting for you. You are insufferable. You switch your vote to someone else entirely (not even a low poster, which in past posts seemed to be you primary focus). I would love to see you out of this game, and the only thing holding me back is thinking you are stupid townie. Only thing man.

I switched to the person I think most likely to be scum.

My dislike of low posters is that town doing it (and I doubt they're all roled), makes it harder to catch roled players, it gives them somewhere to hide where we've nothing to go on to tell them apart from town. But this is the very thing that makes me wary of voting them. While I'm certain there are roled players amongst the low posters, what is there to go on to say which are more likely to be town and which roled? I'd rather vote someone that I have more of a read on and reasons to suspect that person, than take a stab into the dark at a group where I have reasons to suspect there are roled players but no reason to suspect any one over another.

I'll switch skin and try and fix my posts.

I think You are FBI -, I dont think we'll get you lynched just yet, but the "Im looking for SCUM part" makes me think that you think FBI are the "good guys" and the Mobster are "scum" with town in the middle. SO there you have it ladies and gentlemen, Tennes is mad that he's a man down, and is looking to even the odds. Like I said, probably FBI, and probably not gonna get the train to swing.

It's what people who the town are hunting are commonly called.

[Karosis]

Not in a faction game.

[Serc]

Atrahal, on 13 September 2011 - 02:03 AM, said:

Tellan, on 13 September 2011 - 01:38 AM, said:

And after a whole page, we are up to 7 on the lynch train. Any of the lurkers wish to polish this off so we can move on? And if not, why?

Fair enough

Vote Kalse

Tennes, on 13 September 2011 - 12:42 AM, said:

Tellan, on 13 September 2011 - 12:35 AM, said:

You know Tennes, I am about > < that close to voting for you. You are insufferable. You switch your vote to someone else entirely (not even a low poster, which in past posts seemed to be you primary focus). I would love to see you out of this game, and the only thing holding me back is thinking you are stupid townie. Only thing man.

I switched to the person I think most likely to be scum.

My dislike of low posters is that town doing it (and I doubt they're all roled), makes it harder to catch roled players, it gives them somewhere to hide where we've nothing to go on to tell them apart from town. But this is the very thing that makes me wary of voting them. While I'm certain there are roled players amongst the low posters, what is there to go on to say which are more likely to be town and which roled? I'd rather vote someone that I have more of a read on and reasons to suspect that person, than take a stab into the dark at a group where I have reasons to suspect there are roled players but no reason to suspect any one over another.

I'll switch skin and try and fix my posts.

I think You are FBI -, I dont think we'll get you lynched just yet, but the "Im looking for SCUM part" makes me think that you think FBI are the "good guys" and the Mobster are "scum" with town in the middle. SO there you have it ladies and gentlemen, Tennes is mad that he's a man down, and is looking to even the odds. Like I said, probably FBI, and probably not gonna get the train to swing.

I hesitate to defend someone who vehemently tried to get rid of me for an hour or so, but I do not agree with him being FBI. He is a concerned towny. If Kalse comes back roled (even Outfit), my opinions on Tennes will change drastically.

[Atrahal]

Tennes, on 13 September 2011 - 02:10 AM, said:

It's what people who the town are hunting are commonly called.

Agree to disagree. I call FBI team 1. Mob team 2. and Town team 3. If you were "hunting for scum" then you would be looking for team 1 or 2, correct? yet your winning conditions might change and make you "scum". doesn't work like that. And its funny that you think it does. Bad explanation, care to try again. This time with a little more fire in your loins?

[Tennes]

Karosis, on 13 September 2011 - 02:12 AM, said:

Not in a faction game.

Most faction games don't have a town faction. We don't have much hope of differentiating between FBI and Outfit when the lynches aren't based on direct connections, so we are simply hunting roled players. The mentality I've approached it with at this stage is that of town vs scum, because we are simply looking for anything that suggests a player is non town.

[Atrahal]

Serc, on 13 September 2011 - 02:12 AM, said:

He is a concerned towny. If Kalse comes back roled (even Outfit), my opinions on Tennes will change drastically.

Could you tell me how you've come to this conclusion? I think this is twice you've stated this, and honestly, I don't see it. By my reading, he was a little angry that 2 FBI agents were killed, and took it to the thread. But maybe I am reading this wrong. Not asking you to go out of your way defending him, but if you say something, you should be able to back it up. If you say it twice, well, it seems to be more than a gut feeling.

Edit - fucking typing!!!

This post has been edited by Atrahal: 13 September 2011 - 02:20 AM

[Tennes]

Atrahal, on 13 September 2011 - 02:14 AM, said:

Tennes, on 13 September 2011 - 02:10 AM, said:

It's what people who the town are hunting are commonly called.

Agree to disagree. I call FBI team 1. Mob team 2. and Town team 3. If you were "hunting for scum" then you would be looking for team 1 or 2, correct? yet your winning conditions might change and make you "scum". doesn't work like that. And its funny that you think it does. Bad explanation, care to try again. This time with a little more fire in your loins?

At this stage in the game we aren't distinguishing between teams 1 and 2. That makes it more like team a vs team b, and one team is called town. Later in the game, I expect I will approach it more like a faction game.

[Karosis]

True, most faction games don't have town. But some do. Just easier not to use the scum label in them, especially where we will eventually join one of the factions.

Edit: x-post

This post has been edited by Karosis: 13 September 2011 - 02:20 AM

[Serc]

Atrahal, on 13 September 2011 - 02:18 AM, said:

Serc, on 13 September 2011 - 02:12 AM, said:

He is a concerned towny. If Kalse comes back roled (even Outfit), my opinions on Tennes will change drastically.

Could you tell me how you've come to this conclusion? I think this is twice you've stated this, and honestly, I don't see it. By my reading, he was a little angry that 2 FBI agents were killed, and took it to the thread. But maybe I am reading this wrong. Not asking you to go out of your way defending him, but if you say something, you should be able to back it up. If you say it twice, well, it seems to be more than a gut feeling.

Edit - fucking typing!!!

That's fair. If he's FBI, he's doing an extremely bad job of covering it up. Maybe he's playing the it's too obvious to be true game. If he is, it's working on me. That's my reasoning behind it.

[Korbas]

First, I'll vote:

Vote Kalse

I just finished reading up and I think Kalse is a decent target. I would almost prefer Serc, actually, but the train did not swing his way. Kalse's posts were summarized pretty well; very little content, semi-low poster. Not much else to be said, really, and I think the odds are good that he isn't town.

Serc, on 13 September 2011 - 12:48 AM, said:

Karosis, on 13 September 2011 - 12:46 AM, said:

No scum. Factions.

Voting town out doesn't really hurt anybody (except for that player). It doesn't help, but it doesn't hurt.

What about down the line when town has winning conditions? The more town alive (with the same winning conditions), the better our odds are at victory.

Wait...what? Do you understand what the town victory conditions are? Every town member's conditions are entirely independent of each other. Basically, every town member is on his own team until you vote on enough trains where your win conditions can be determined. If you don't vote, you lose, as P-S made pretty clear earlier. I'm kind of surprised no one has really brought this up yet. Town is not a consolidated front like it is in most games; if you're town, you don't win just because other town members win. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see that behind the scenes your faction changes to FBI or Outfit when you qualify for win conditions.

For this reason, as someone said, lynching town members doesn't hurt town; the only reason not to lynch town is that town should be trying to lynch one faction and side with the other. But it's still every man for himself.

[Tennes]

Atrahal, on 13 September 2011 - 02:18 AM, said:

Serc, on 13 September 2011 - 02:12 AM, said:

He is a concerned towny. If Kalse comes back roled (even Outfit), my opinions on Tennes will change drastically.

Could you tell me how you've come to this conclusion? I think this is twice you've stated this, and honestly, I don't see it. By my reading, he was a little angry that 2 FBI agents were killed, and took it to the thread. But maybe I am reading this wrong. Not asking you to go out of your way defending him, but if you sy dsomething, you should be able to back it up. If you say it twice, well, it seems to be more than a gu feeling.

That's your big theory?

If I were an FBI agent, why would I ever decide that the best way to recover from my faction going a man down was to draw tons of attention on thread? Cases that rely on the accused being utterly brainless to make sense are poor cases.

[Atrahal]

Tennes, on 13 September 2011 - 02:19 AM, said:

At this stage in the game we aren't distinguishing between teams 1 and 2.

We aren't? Huh. All along I thought we were looking for 2 factions. With multiple people on the lynch train of the FBI, I assumed that this meant that they (we) would be looking for the same thing once again. Well then, shows what I know about faction games. Oh wait, I may not be mistaken after all, I am pretty sure the term Culture hunt was said. And that would mean that in fact we are looking for team 1a (FBI) and not 1b (Mob). and we (team 2) are trying to take out the bastards and hopefully we (team 2) live longer to gain a numerical advantage on team 1a and become a part of team 1b.

Great now I am confused. could someone tell me if I am an idiot? Wait, forget I even asked.

[Korbas]

Karosis, on 13 September 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

You know, I found it really strange how quick Korbas was to change his avatar when I voted him for it. It may be because I was involved in it and that's why it stands out to me, but it's something that piqued my interest. He should have said "Fuck you, your avatar looks like a dip-shit and the statue things in the Neverending Story" and voted for me. Reciprocity and such. Instead he instantly switched it.

Just a thought. (A poor one at that, but not to much genius on thread to blind it in its brilliant light.)

I just have to comment because I think this is pretty funny - if you google image search for "dragon" or something, almost every avatar in use right now is on the first few pages of results.

Also, I chose this avatar because that red dragon looks fucking badass.

[Atrahal]

Tennes, on 13 September 2011 - 02:23 AM, said:

That's your big theory?

My theory was about your "scum" slip, little one. The rest was added on to defend my position. Now go get daddy a beer. There you go, that's a good lad.

[Serc]

Korbas, on 13 September 2011 - 02:22 AM, said:

First, I'll vote:

Vote Kalse

I just finished reading up and I think Kalse is a decent target. I would almost prefer Serc, actually, but the train did not swing his way. Kalse's posts were summarized pretty well; very little content, semi-low poster. Not much else to be said, really, and I think the odds are good that he isn't town.

Serc, on 13 September 2011 - 12:48 AM, said:

Karosis, on 13 September 2011 - 12:46 AM, said:

No scum. Factions.

Voting town out doesn't really hurt anybody (except for that player). It doesn't help, but it doesn't hurt.

What about down the line when town has winning conditions? The more town alive (with the same winning conditions), the better our odds are at victory.

Wait...what? Do you understand what the town victory conditions are? Every town member's conditions are entirely independent of each other. Basically, every town member is on his own team until you vote on enough trains where your win conditions can be determined. If you don't vote, you lose, as P-S made pretty clear earlier. I'm kind of surprised no one has really brought this up yet. Town is not a consolidated front like it is in most games; if you're town, you don't win just because other town members win. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see that behind the scenes your faction changes to FBI or Outfit when you qualify for win conditions.

For this reason, as someone said, lynching town members doesn't hurt town; the only reason not to lynch town is that town should be trying to lynch one faction and side with the other. But it's still every man for himself.

That is true, but we shouldn't be working alone. We should be trying to get as many town onto the correct side as possible. There is an advantage in numbers, time-wise atleast.

[Atrahal]

Korbas, on 13 September 2011 - 02:26 AM, said:

Also, I chose this avatar because that red dragon looks fucking badass.

I think it looks....Asian. Yeah, very Asian.

[Tennes]

Atrahal, on 13 September 2011 - 02:25 AM, said:

Tennes, on 13 September 2011 - 02:19 AM, said:

At this stage in the game we aren't distinguishing between teams 1 and 2.

We aren't? Huh. All along I thought we were looking for 2 factions. With multiple people on the lynch train of the FBI, I assumed that this meant that they (we) would be looking for the same thing once again. Well then, shows what I know about faction games. Oh wait, I may not be mistaken after all, I am pretty sure the term Culture hunt was said. And that would mean that in fact we are looking for team 1a (FBI) and not 1b (Mob). and we (team 2) are trying to take out the bastards and hopefully we (team 2) live longer to gain a numerical advantage on team 1a and become a part of team 1b.

Great now I am confused. could someone tell me if I am an idiot? Wait, forget I even asked.

Theoretically, we would much rather hit FBI than outfit.

In practical terms, this isn't much of an option. How do you suggest we go about identifying players who are FBI but not those who are outfit, when our main way of looking for either is looking for non town behaviour? The only way really is if they are found via direct connection with players whose CFs are known, as I mention in my other reply.

[Atrahal]

Serc, on 13 September 2011 - 02:29 AM, said:

That is true, but we shouldn't be working alone. We should be trying to get as many town onto the correct side as possible. There is an advantage in numbers, time-wise atleast.

Um, I agree with this. In fact, I am pretty sure its what I was saying, and why I think scummy mcscummerson is FBI. He wants to hunt non town and not just team 1a (or was it 1b.) Dammit!!! .