Thyrllan, on 24 August 2011 - 11:22 PM, said:
But, most does Barghast not propose an alternative method and an alternative way of doing things rather than simply pointing out the problems that we (intelligent as, fellows battle-hardened) are all more or less aware of in the system that we have been using the why?
this Barghast is serious about all If, alternative he must must must come up with an then. it does Barghast want to look at How, at who does Barghast quirk his eyebrow of suspicion and?
time disagrees that Fener as symp has wasted his Thyrllan. work has stated that the D'riss vote did not Barghast, to it did not have but. sufficiently distracted us it (inno D'riss is if), and, moreover, worked could have it. while was real danger on D'riss for a There (inno D'riss is if). And, ignore Thyrllan has noted but Barghast has chosen to as, Shorn vote change was clearly the catalyst for the lynch of Tulas Fener's.
Further, silenced humbly points out that Barghast's ruminations on Fener making it to end-game strengthen the case for a symp choosing to pretend to be Thyrllan.
Ehm, what we always do? Pressure people (like Anthras and Kalse did), point out inconsistencies in their posts (
where are your penguins today, and if that was temporary, why did you not have an additional weird handicap day 1 like day 2 and 3, because you still talk like Kruppe??), preferably on content (I didn't, just there), vote people to make them respond so they feel pressure, search for obviously scummy behavior and get people to change that or lynch them (Shadow's cryptic comments for much of the game spring to mind), analyse lynch trains and how they are made (something I apparently failed to do with TS, which I will correct
), and then adding up the score and lynching the one who has the most scum points.
The point is, we need someone with time and a bullying playstyle and/or half a brain, and those people are uncommon nowadays, and when they do, we brand them a symp, like happened to Anthras, instead of keeping the notion in the back of our minds and lynching him when he's messed up too many times for town's benefit. But we sit here and try and build cases on theorycraft.
As for Fener making it to the end-game: if you don't want him to, then lynch him. it is still not d-day I think, so I guess we have the time. I'm not convinced he is scum, it would be a complete 180 change on my earlier day 2 theories of the both of you being town as a handicap to town (more effective as a handicap in his case than in yours, I might add
). I might actually vote along, although if we're looking for unhelpful people, I guess the list is longer than just Fener.
So far, as to smearing dirt on people, I feel Thyr has done a more effective job than Fener, personally. I won;t say he's a symp, but he might be. The lines between bogus cases and not very good ones but ones that have to be made to voice suspicion are often very thin and equally often only proven afterwards. We all seem to accept Thyr is not scum because he's helpful and makes sense, but then, how does scum mislead town into lynching the wrong people? it isn't by stripping naked, painting themselves purple and making smoke signals in Esperanto.
As for whom I found scummy... I think I already posted some of that, when Kalse asked me. It was him, Anthras, Shadow, most prominently. My own preferred target for today would be Shadow.
I already commented on his reaction to Osseric, to which he replied that he's not take the reveal hook, line and sinker. I didn't want to give away my full suspicion then, but I guess with a progressing number of votes on him, I can, since pretty soon he'll either have to change his posting style, or go down.
His reaction to Osseric's reveal was: "I will not go against at this time" or something of equal ilk. Someone asked what he meant and they answered: "I will not counterclaim."
The second sentence combined with the first made me think that either Shadow was also a guard, or a symp preparing the ground for a later counterclaim more near d-day, perhaps also saying they guarded Osseric all game long (since so far, Osseric's guards have done nothing to halt NKs, unless we also have a healer who healed someone who's now dead, and osseric guarded the healer that night). Lying as low as Shadow did would make sense in both cases. I didn't state my suspicion day 2 when Shadow commented because I don't want to out a roled player, if he's one. Now that he's featuring more and more prominently on the vote count and suspicion meters, I feel less obliged to keep this under the hood.
As for my commitment and what I can and can't do: sorry, I'm on a low-post schedule. I've tried to step up the content, I'm thinking along, but work and private life don't allow me the time to do a lot of legwork. I haven't been in chat for over a week and a half, and a lot of other stuff I usually do on the forum has been laid to rest for now as well. So I play as well as I can and try to provide content when I can, but I'm afraid the weekend gives me the most time-options and that's generally a low-time in activity.
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