[Telas]

fuck! i posted and the damn server timed out or something. here is what i wrote:


and a second thought i noted while digging back through for d'riss quotes. the other person i would like to lynch, albeit less so than d'riss at the moment hence my prior vote, is silanah. i agree he is riding smooth and never seems to get brought up that much. i think that with the scum, there are potentially two killers, and would hazard that on killer is silent and the other is more vocal. it's harder to pick out the silent ones for obvious reasons, but i think the representative quotes below demonstrate someone who posts enough not be be a lurker or low-poster, but who also stays away from controversy while looking like he is contributing something

Silanah, on 18 August 2011 - 03:51 PM, said:

Well...interesting day 1 developments.

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 18 August 2011 - 07:51 AM, said:

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 01:27 AM, said:

Remove vote

Vote karatallid

I think TS looks like he's symping more strongly than Osseric did, Osserics reaction was pretty reasonable, and my vote always had an element of trying to get the game going involved.

I think TS has some questions to answer. The timing of the vote looks dodgy aswell. It comes just after a big discussion about whether cult could be M&P and accusations of people trying to confuse the thread, which is pretty serious. TS had been on for quite some time, so the vote doesn't seem right for a jokey/casual vote. Also, as D'riss pointed out, there are several players who made that sort of post.

I like the way you are forcing him into some corner as if he now HAS to answer to these allegations to prove ME innocent?
I mean...who is getting the votes here? He doesnt care. For all he knows i am scum. Why should he put any effort in.
For all i know HE is scum....BAH


"You think TS has some questions to answer" but what then?....you are just forcing him to stick up for me.
Then you are going to come back and say "look he is sticking up for the him again"

I dont like this reasoning of yours....its like almost orchestrated.
Nothing he says is going to look good with the way you guys are painting this simple vote he put on a random low poster.

As you pointed out, the initial vote isn't to do with your own actions, but TS'.

So I was putting pressure on him to see a reaction.

Technically, you were putting pressure on Kara. We haven't heard from TS since you made that post asking him to answer some questions. I'm not totally sure I buy the business about a symp signaling his master by voting for him... It seems a bit forced, and I don't know what you're looking for from TS, exactly. My initial thought was that it was a standard "apply pressure" vote. However, I'm reserving final judgment until he does come back and we hear from him.

Osseric's reveal...bad idea, I think. Why stir up so much confusion on day 1 like this? If you were really getting heat and L-2 or L-1 or something, ok, maybe, but even then...It's not as big of a deal because he's a guard, but assuming there is a healer out there, they now have to choose between healing an obvious target that isn't that valuable or letting Osseric hang out there on his own. Although this is M&P it may be hard to pin down exactly what roles are active here...the Fener being silenced thing is throwing things off for me right now. There's been no counter-reveal, so I'm willing to buy it for now, but we'll see.

questioning osseric, but not really following up, a good move to show input without putting one's neck on the line

Silanah, on 18 August 2011 - 04:03 PM, said:

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 04:00 PM, said:

Silanah-the highlighted words were to put pressure on TS.

The vote was not to put pressure on Kara, but because when you think someone is being symped you don't vote the symp you vote the master.

I realize that was your stated intention, but I'm saying that it doesn't necessarily play like that. TS hasn't even shown up since your vote, and all of the "pressure" has fallen on Kara. On day 1 with little evidence I'm saying that there may not have been enough substance for the Kara vote to actually put pressure on TS.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have voted Kara if you thought TS was symping him, only that the supposed symp is sorta out of the equation at this point.

smoothing things over, being more of the calm rational player

Silanah, on 18 August 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

Anthras, on 18 August 2011 - 10:08 PM, said:

Thyrllan are you gonna continue this through the entire duration of the freakin game?
And now blame drunkeness... and penguins?

WTF

Maybe he's been cursed to only speak in the third person and he can't reveal it. Fener's loquacious counterpart...

and having fun commenting, joking, but again, conspicuous lack of content.

[Kalse]

I mentioned Silanah earlier in my "who Anthras may be symping" post.

The problem is, he is one of several quiet, non controversial players.

Silanah, Tulas, Barghast, Emur, and Shadow are all pretty under the radar.

[Telas]

you know, i expressed concern over TS on day one, but everyone seemed to think at worst he was symping and people wanted a bigger cheese. i'll note that despite there being 4 votes on d'riss, no one else seems to be voting, so i am open to suggestions, but only seeing pissing matches ( i know i had mine yesterday, but i will point out that i let it go after it was obviously overblown for day 1)

[Telas]

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 06:20 PM, said:

I mentioned Silanah earlier in my "who Anthras may be symping" post.

The problem is, he is one of several quiet, non controversial players.

Silanah, Tulas, Barghast, Emur, and Shadow are all pretty under the radar.

TS is not under the radar. he's been acting out all game long (as even you said on day 1)! i agree with the rest of your suspects though

[Kalse]

I don't like TS' vote, and if Anthras is symping then he'd probably be my guess for who.

Korlat is also under the radar, and made a dodgy vote, though Anthras dragged him a bit more into things.

[Korlat]

Fener, on 17 August 2011 - 09:32 PM, said:

Osseric, on 17 August 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:

Fener actually write something useful than spam the thread with pictures.

This post has me questioning whether it is fener's role or not that has him silenced, and if it's not his role i am gonna have to rethink my vote.

[Telas]

can you give us some quotes there Kalse?

[Kalse]

Telas, on 19 August 2011 - 06:24 PM, said:

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 06:20 PM, said:

I mentioned Silanah earlier in my "who Anthras may be symping" post.

The problem is, he is one of several quiet, non controversial players.

Silanah, Tulas, Barghast, Emur, and Shadow are all pretty under the radar.

TS is not under the radar. he's been acting out all game long (as even you said on day 1)! i agree with the rest of your suspects though

He wasn't that involved himself day one though, there was just a lot of discussion around his actions.

[Tulas Shorn]

D, on 19 August 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

@ Telas it was ONE careless remark. I misunderstood PS.. how many times do you want me to say it?

Also, if Fener was a silenced finder why would he be coming after me on day 1??? He wouldn't get a find until night time. You are just hopping on the train. Just convinces me more that you are up to no good.

Fener is misguided, Tulas is just lazy. You and Korlat.. you are Fishy, in votes, posts, and all else Scum.

Why are people calling me lazy? I put a vote on Kara to get a reaction and now because I follow fener's vote on d'riss I'm called lazy? Thryllan clearly pointed out my bonehead move to asking if fener might be a finder. Fener was right to not answer that request but since that thought is out there and I voiced it then maybe fener might actually be a finder. How do you test finder information? Well you lynch out who they are pointing to. if it turns out wrong then you vote out the finder. with fener's handicap I want to find out if he knows something but can't articulate it to the rest of us because of his limitations. if it turns out that d'riss is innocent then unless fener suddenly gains the use of the keyboard again we either completely ignore fener or vote his ass out as he is a worthless member of town or scum hiding behind his silence.

[Kalse]

Telas, on 19 August 2011 - 06:27 PM, said:

can you give us some quotes there Kalse?

For the symping part see my post on the previous page. It goes through Anthras' interactions with everyone.

My comment about Korlat was mostly directed at this post:

Korlat, on 19 August 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

I was questioning if it was informative, not the same thing as useless. 30 Minutes isn't gonna hurt anybody we had enough to make the lynch closer to the deadline. If he posted we might have learned something and i don't see why he didn't if he was inno(not in the last few minutes just in general when there was pressure). Potentially not allowed to post? There seem to be some weird posting rules in this one.

Personally i like the i am not allowed to talk but i know who it is idea so i am gonna go with it.

Vote Driss

Where he responds to Anthras' post(pity Anth didn't get into a pissing contest with one of the lower posters instead really) and makes a dodgy vote.

[Kalse]

If you want quotes of where Korlat is under the radar, just go onto his profile and do "find my content" and look at all his posts. Few of them are more than a couple of lines, lots of questions(which is a good way to seem involved) etc.

[Anthras]

I had a post readied, but went on to take care of some things, and now I come back to find more. Since it has nothing to do with the discussion currently taking place, and more with the possible game set up, I will save it for a bit later.

Also, I'd like to point out that people who are directing their suspicions towards TS, have yet to vote for him - surprisingly again starting with Thryllan, who so happened to initiate Galains train yesterday, and then laughed about it.

Tulas Shorn, on 19 August 2011 - 06:31 PM, said:

D, on 19 August 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

@ Telas it was ONE careless remark. I misunderstood PS.. how many times do you want me to say it?

Also, if Fener was a silenced finder why would he be coming after me on day 1??? He wouldn't get a find until night time. You are just hopping on the train. Just convinces me more that you are up to no good.

Fener is misguided, Tulas is just lazy. You and Korlat.. you are Fishy, in votes, posts, and all else Scum.

Why are people calling me lazy? I put a vote on Kara to get a reaction and now because I follow fener's vote on d'riss I'm called lazy? Thryllan clearly pointed out my bonehead move to asking if fener might be a finder. Fener was right to not answer that request but since that thought is out there and I voiced it then maybe fener might actually be a finder. How do you test finder information? Well you lynch out who they are pointing to. if it turns out wrong then you vote out the finder. with fener's handicap I want to find out if he knows something but can't articulate it to the rest of us because of his limitations. if it turns out that d'riss is innocent then unless fener suddenly gains the use of the keyboard again we either completely ignore fener or vote his ass out as he is a worthless member of town or scum hiding behind his silence.

Finders with 'symp finding abilities only' aren't unheard of, or even rare.
And symps CF as innos.
Fener could be a symp finder (doesn't explain his stance on D'riss on day 1, but might explain his day 2 current stance if he NAed D'riss) and be forced to post with pictures simply to make it harder for team town to trust him.

Are you trying to lead us on a wild goose chase, TS?

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2

Week end freeze in effect.


14 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

8 votes to lynch.
7 votes to go to night.

3 votes for D'riss (Fener, Korlat, Tulas Shorn)
1 vote for Anthras (Karatallid)
1 vote for Karatallid (Telas)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Silanah, Thyrllan, Shadow, Emurlahn, D'riss.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 19 August 2011 - 06:51 PM

[Korlat]

Anthras, on 18 August 2011 - 09:22 PM, said:

I'm not thrilled with this hammer - people said they are around and willing to do so, just wanted to see if anyone might pop in.

30 minutes might sound awfully less on a 36h day, yet it's still 30 minutes.

I still wanted Osseric to be around, gdi.

Let's see that CF.

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

Well, Galain and Sorrit as inno's. Not much to go with, the best thing we can hope for is that one of them was a symp, yet both were quite silent and low-posting to say the least, which beats the purpose of the role. So, operating under WCS, both of these were team town, and team scum is fully operational.

Onwards, then.
I've edited parts of PS latest time/vote count post with correct numbers/names (I believe I got them right here, if not, someone say something)

Path-Shaper, on 18 August 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

It's day 1.

There's 35 minutes left of the day.


Players still alive: Barghast, Sorrit, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Galain, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

9 votes to lynch.
8 votes to go to night.

8 votes for Galain ( Thyrllan, Osseric, Karatallid, Telas, Anthras, Emurlahn, Kalse, Shadow)
1 vote for Osseric (Galain)
1 vote for Fener (Sorrit)
1 votes for Karatallid ( D'riss)
1 vote for D'riss (Fener)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Silanah, Tulas Shorn, Korlat

Kalse, on 18 August 2011 - 09:02 PM, said:

If possible, it'd be nice to leave it as long as we can to give him a chance to give his thoughts (more importantly on the off chance he's a guard).

Korlat, on 18 August 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

We have 7 and me and tulas should be around at least to add the last 2, but i agree with kalse on waiting till he says something if we can.
Remove Vote

So, Korlat who has been anything but vocable, who was questioning even if there's any use to wait for a counter-reveal , who hasn't gathered any attention or made any noticeable posts - suddenly goes on with Kalse's reasoning. And what's more interesting is that Korlat 'hopes' they might magically appear in the last 30 minutes before the lynch takes place. Pay attention to the timespan between the last posts (mere minutes) which means both were active and lurking, waiting to see. Scum are active very close to lynch time, waiting to see if they need to change provis and send PMs for night actions.
Also, they fit the profile of a paired killer combo :: One vocal, active and participating, the other riding low, and waiting.
What's more, is the fact that Korlat didn't actually hammer Galain. Scum hate to hammer , unless it's used as a distancing tool to seal the deal and lynch one of their own, in order to save their own skin. And Korlat's vote would place him dangerously close to Kalse's vote, in that train. They even knew people were around and willing to vote.

If a tentacle came out, right about now and said 'This game has a paired killer combo, pick two or die' , then I would go for these two atm.

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 07:08 AM, said:

Korlat, on 19 August 2011 - 02:31 AM, said:

And come on you are questioning me because i waited and then because i didn't vote/hammer how are these different.

I question you, because hours ago, you were debating the usefulness of waiting/allowing a counter-reveal (plus you seem more willing to discuss schematics about town roles which is something townies avoid in general)
YET somehow 30 minutes before a lynch takes place, you decide to do so, in a pretty weird fashion that links you with another player (and as if the person about to be lynched would magically appear on thread the last 30 minutes when he hasn't given notice for a long long while)
Apples to oranges.

Not really an argument against him more of a wth

[Telas]

Path-Shaper, on 19 August 2011 - 06:48 PM, said:

It is day 2

There's 16 hours and 28 minutes left of the day. The week end freeze is now in effect. Play continues but the clock is stopped until Monday morning.


14 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Telas, Shadow, Fener, Emurlahn, D'riss, Tulas Shorn.

8 votes to lynch.
7 votes to go to night.

3 votes for D'riss (Fener, Korlat, Tulas Shorn)
1 vote for Anthras (Karatallid)
1 vote for Karatallid (Telas)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Kalse, Silanah, Thyrllan, Shadow, Emurlahn, D'riss.

P-S I voted for D'riss not Kara.

[Kalse]

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

I had a post readied, but went on to take care of some things, and now I come back to find more. Since it has nothing to do with the discussion currently taking place, and more with the possible game set up, I will save it for a bit later.

Also, I'd like to point out that people who are directing their suspicions towards TS, have yet to vote for him - surprisingly again starting with Thryllan, who so happened to initiate Galains train yesterday, and then laughed about it.

Tulas Shorn, on 19 August 2011 - 06:31 PM, said:

D, on 19 August 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

@ Telas it was ONE careless remark. I misunderstood PS.. how many times do you want me to say it?

Also, if Fener was a silenced finder why would he be coming after me on day 1??? He wouldn't get a find until night time. You are just hopping on the train. Just convinces me more that you are up to no good.

Fener is misguided, Tulas is just lazy. You and Korlat.. you are Fishy, in votes, posts, and all else Scum.

Why are people calling me lazy? I put a vote on Kara to get a reaction and now because I follow fener's vote on d'riss I'm called lazy? Thryllan clearly pointed out my bonehead move to asking if fener might be a finder. Fener was right to not answer that request but since that thought is out there and I voiced it then maybe fener might actually be a finder. How do you test finder information? Well you lynch out who they are pointing to. if it turns out wrong then you vote out the finder. with fener's handicap I want to find out if he knows something but can't articulate it to the rest of us because of his limitations. if it turns out that d'riss is innocent then unless fener suddenly gains the use of the keyboard again we either completely ignore fener or vote his ass out as he is a worthless member of town or scum hiding behind his silence.

Finders with 'symp finding abilities only' aren't unheard of, or even rare.
And symps CF as innos.
Fener could be a symp finder (doesn't explain his stance on D'riss on day 1, but might explain his day 2 current stance if he NAed D'riss) and be forced to post with pictures simply to make it harder for team town to trust him.

Are you trying to lead us on a wild goose chase, TS?

Not unheard of, but rare enough I do not expect there would be one in M&P.

As for having not voted TS, there several people similar to playstyle, and I'm still trying to decide if I think you are a symp.

[Telas]

@ Kalse, thanks for the answer. you do have a good point about Korlat, especially in light of his most recent one liner

what do you think he meant by this: "Personally i like the i am not allowed to talk but i know who it is idea so i am gonna go with it."


said right before he voted for D'riss. is this a distraction or a hint at his knowledge/abilities?

[Anthras]

There's a lot of things that one wouldn't expect they would be in a M&P game, yet we are currently dealing with some.

[Kalse]

It seems to be referring to Fener (he follows the vote, and fener can't talk), so I think he is suggesting that Fener has posting restrictions but knows who scum is.

Which is something Tulas votes to test, afaics.

Which is also purely speculation about a mechanic that seems far from meat and potatoes.

[Anthras]

Telas, on 19 August 2011 - 06:55 PM, said:

@ Kalse, thanks for the answer. you do have a good point about Korlat, especially in light of his most recent one liner

what do you think he meant by this: "Personally i like the i am not allowed to talk but i know who it is idea so i am gonna go with it."

said right before he voted for D'riss. is this a distraction or a hint at his knowledge/abilities?

Personally I like the <I am not allowed to talk but I know who it is> idea, so I am gonna go with it.
He said that in regards to Feners posting method, which is entirely composed in pictures.

Does that make more sense? That's what I interpret it as.