[Anthras]

Then to answer your question, sure, I'll rip you a new one if I see any holes in your posts or if I sense something wrong with the entire picture. It's part of the game. Deal with it.

In case you didn't notice, for a standard M&P game, as some people were advocating during day one, just because others happened to mention the 'cult' thing in PS initial post - now you don't seem bothered at all, what so ever, by Fener's and Thyrllans posts. Which are different. And different doesn't go along well with 'classic M&P' themed games.

Their posts are distracting. If they are town, that's a bad thing. If they are scum, that's a good thing. You wanna keep a player like that around, suit yourself. I'd rather they get taken out of the picture, even if they are town, because the commodity they cause will affect us more and bring more problems into this.
So I'm asking them to step up their game, at some point, if they are town.
You got a problem with that?
Want me to treat you with kid gloves? Did I hurt your feelings or some shit?


Much like with Osseric and the reveal during day 1.
In the past, slip ups like that hadn't prevented people from lynching others, even if deep down they knew they were lynching inno's.
Because it would allow them to continue the game unhindered from the entire mess that it got into it, in the first place. Now people are all like 'Hey, let's be nice to each other, let's hold hands around the fire, and maybe that big nasty shit covered in slime and tentacles will leave us alone'. Well, it doesn't exactly work that way, in the world of Cthulhu.

So, kindly explain again, how has it really helped you so far by keeping someone like Fener around.

[Anthras]

Karatallid, on 19 August 2011 - 01:54 PM, said:

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 01:34 PM, said:

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 07:08 AM, said:

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 02:05 AM, said:

I disagree with the premise that scum are active close to lynch time.

Firstly, this is dictated by peoples playing times.
Secondly, we aren't playing with 0 hour nights, so your reasoning for why they would need to be active is unlikely.
Thirdly, there is a good reason for innos to be more active around that time. I for one hopped back on in case I had to switch from my preferred vote to get a lynch. Scum don't need to be active for this reason since no lynch is usually better for them.

Korlat seems wishy washy, but past that I think your analysis is pretty weak.

Yea, that 12 hour night lasted awfully long. Oh, wait...
Beating around the bush, Kalse. I was mainly focused on Korlat, yet you pop in first, on the defensive. So early, in a 'pretty weak' case, as you said? Which is almost identical to the one you tried to build on Kara in day 1.
Your reaction first to this screams of distancing. Not to mention you didn't bother touching the D'riss subject I covered as well.

You've missed my point.
It doesn't matter how long the night actually was (people had 36hours to submit after all), my point is that with up to 12 hours after lynch there's no reason scum would want to be around at lynch time like there is in a 0 hour night game.

Your complaints are pretty rubbish. Sure I'm going to defend myself. You made a case that was related to me, and the connection seemed tenuous. You also say that I "pop in first". Does it not occur to you that who posts first is coincidental, based on who sees the post first? What would have been the non-scummy thing to do-Oh hey, he's made a case that relates to me and someone else, I'll just hang around until they've posted first...

You are stretching to make every tiny thing into something scummy. Like me not commenting on D'riss. Maybe that's because you addressed it as a question and I wanted to see his reaction, or I didn't have any particular thoughts about it, etc.

My thoughts on your D'riss case are simple. I don't see why scum who had lurked through a lynch would decide to alert us to that fact.

THIS!


im thinking this joker is a symp and is just trying to throw shit at everything he sees.

Also think he feels fener and Thyr are easy picking and worth it to bash on.

looking scummy to me

Grasping at straws. So if I'm a symp who am I symping for?
If I had my eyes on Fener or Thyrllan , I would have gunned for them earlier, instead of trying to post my thoughts and comment on other things I noticed.

But hey, let's talk more nonsense about the savoir vivre of posting and behavior and allow people who revel on riding low keep doing it.

[Karatallid]

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

Then to answer your question, sure, I'll rip you a new one if I see any holes in your posts or if I sense something wrong with the entire picture. It's part of the game. Deal with it.

But you are also ripping people a new one for fairly standard play.
You are full of shit my friend.

I did just about the same thing as what Thyr did today.
I mentioned that we should look at the group of 4 or so guys who wanted to lynch osseric even after he fully revealed yesterday.
I was so lazy i didnt even go bother to mention who actually did it at the time and I just brought it up as an idea as something for the thread to mull on.
But NOOO...you completely ignore me and go straight for the jugular on the guy that looks like he might actually be forced into this difficult position of RP?

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

In case you didn't notice, for a standard M&P game, as some people were advocating during day one, just because others happened to mention the 'cult' thing in PS initial post - now you don't seem bothered at all, what so ever, by Fener's and Thyrllans posts. Which are different. And different doesn't go along well with 'classic M&P' themed games.

What would you have me do...throw a hissy fit?
and start calling them names?

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

Their posts are distracting. If they are town, that's a bad thing. If they are scum, that's a good thing. You wanna keep a player like that around, suit yourself. I'd rather they get taken out of the picture, even if they are town, because the commodity they cause will affect us more and bring more problems into this.
So I'm asking them to step up their game, at some point, if they are town.
You got a problem with that?
Want me to treat you with kid gloves? Did I hurt your feelings or some shit?

Fener is not distracting to me at the least.
Sure the guy is posting in pictures but its not distracting me at all....i am actually able to distinguish between different peoples posts you know.

And i find that even though thyre is doing some sort of RP thing going on there that he still is making some valid points.
Maybe you are just incapable of looking around the RP?

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

Much like with Osseric and the reveal during day 1.
In the past, slip ups like that hadn't prevented people from lynching others, even if deep down they knew they were lynching inno's.
Because it would allow them to continue the game unhindered from the entire mess that it got into it, in the first place. Now people are all like 'Hey, let's be nice to each other, let's hold hands around the fire, and maybe that big nasty shit covered in slime and tentacles will leave us alone'. Well, it doesn't exactly work that way, in the world of Cthulhu.

So, kindly explain again, how has it really helped you so far by keeping someone like Fener around.

We dont just lynch people any more because the game has evolved and we have learned from our mistakes!
You want to keep repeating the mistakes you admit we made "even if deep down they knew they were lynching inno's."

Are you saying that even though deep down you know these two are innos you want to waste 2 days lynching them?
actually....scratch that....you are now saying we should lynch osseric to here right?

I cant see how any killers would play like Fener and Thyr has been.
And i certainly dont see any revealing on day one with only 3 votes a role that could easily been countered.

Yet we have a player here who thinks we can waste three days lynching these guys off because why?
"they are a distraction"

what a fucking lame excuse


Vote Anthras



edit - typos typos typos

This post has been edited by Karatallid: 19 August 2011 - 02:41 PM

[Karatallid]

Anthras, on 19 August 2011 - 02:23 PM, said:

Grasping at straws. So if I'm a symp who am I symping for?
If I had my eyes on Fener or Thyrllan , I would have gunned for them earlier, instead of trying to post my thoughts and comment on other things I noticed.

But hey, let's talk more nonsense about the savoir vivre of posting and behavior and allow people who revel on riding low keep doing it.

one does not need to be symp FOR anybody in order to be a symp.

just because i think you could be a symp it does not mean i need to point out anybody that you might be symping?

come now...you act like you been playing this game for ever and you pull this crap?

[Karatallid]

with that...ill leave you lovely folk for a while.

As Rebecka Black says:

ITs friday, gotto get down on friday.

and get my drink on!!

oh and tomorrow is saturday

or something





cheers

[Kalse]

Anthras' behaviour does fit symp more than master though, which does raise the question of who he's most likely to be symping, since voting master is better than voting symp.

[Kalse]

Shadow, on 19 August 2011 - 01:46 PM, said:

Barghast, on 19 August 2011 - 06:55 AM, said:

Based on Fener talking in pics again and Thyr, who also had a stange posting style, now having a tuxedo fetish, I guess this is a mechanic.
The speech impediments may be caused by us going completely gaga with the horror images of tentacly weirdness we see. If so, Thyrllan's third party references and Fener's picture posts on day 1 may be mod-enforced, and the additions of penguins could well be Thyr going more loony. If so, I quite dislike the mechanic and think it makes the game more than M&P, myself.

If not and this is players acting: it was (not so much) fun for a day, snap out of it.

I think I agree with this. Fener's situation may be a silencer-type effect, if there are day actions. it could also be part of his role. The same applies to the annoying Thyrllan. I hadn't thought about insnity yet, but it does fit. And it is especially appropriate for this Lovecraft setting. I expect we'll see it get worse progressively.

And yes, it reminds Shadow of the effusive verbal wisdom of the Mighty Kruppe

The problem with the behaviour for me, is that we were told it would be M&P.

In a game that was slightly past M&P, I wouldn't be surprised at all at enforced playstyle.

In a game that we were told would be M&P, it seems a bit odd.

[Osseric]

If someone is a suspected symp you may never know who they are symping. A symp can just cause misdirection and muddle the thread up without actually helping their master. D'riss got 2 votes and then Anthras pushed agressively elsewhere but this could just be a ploy to get D'riss lynched. Why are people looking at D'riss?

[Osseric]

Have M&P's had these types of roles before? With similar day actions?

[Kalse]

Not normally. Play affecting roles are pretty uncommon.

On the other hand, we haven't had a M&P with as large numbers for a while.

[Osseric]

so it is plausable? We could find out by lynching one of the two. I guarded Thryllan last night fyi. If you think thwey are highly likely to be town players then we could move on and Vote for D'riss along with them and see his CF or we could look elsewhere.

[Kalse]

Osseric, on 19 August 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

so it is plausable? We could find out by lynching one of the two. I guarded Thryllan last night fyi. If you think thwey are highly likely to be town players then we could move on and Vote for D'riss along with them and see his CF or we could look elsewhere.

I'm really not sure.

Most silencer roles we've had haven't been allowed to target the same person twice in a row, which maybe makes the theory that it's a game mechanic more likely.

I personally think they are as likely to be scum as anyone else.

[Tulas Shorn]

Barghast, on 19 August 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 18 August 2011 - 10:14 PM, said:

That was fun. I just had a meeting about our company's involuntary severance package. I'm not sure if you can classify getting a severence for losing your job a good thing but for those glass half full types there you go. Yeah!!!!

That sucks big time, sir.

Yeah. I'm a bit checked out at the moment. I probably won't be very active. So I'm going to go ahead and

vote d'riss

just to see if fener knows what he is talking about. if d'riss turns up innocent then it's time to roast the hog for being a huge distraction.

[Anthras]

Karatallid keep grasping at those straws man. As a matter of fact, grasp them as tight as you can in case they evade you.

I never once said Fener/Thryllan are team scum - let's lynch them. They are potential suspects, as is pretty much everyone around here, including myself. And they will get treated as such.
I simply happened to state that in case they are town, they need to pick things up a notch at some point, more so than others due to their 'forced' or peculiar type of posting, if they want to be of any real help for team town.

And you got an issue with posting manners. Which shouldn't really be a case or topic around here.

Once again, lynching people who slipped up or who got caught in commotions, in order to clear the bigger picture and prevent them from doing so again, or relive people from having to go through the entire thread over and over just to double check those posts later down the road has been standard play. Even with lack of real evidence, people have done that and will do that in the future. Regardless what.


So other than my choice of words towards Thryllan, you actually got nothing to hold on to.
Symping? Muddying waters? Where was heat applied, and who was under pressure, for me to step up and distract. This is just bullocks. You just hold on to a single word, and act butthurt all over the place.
And perhaps next time you should practice what you preach. Wanna call me out for what I said about Thryllan, that's fine and all. But don't act all high and mighty from above your soapbox all the while trying to condemn me for a type of behavior you yourself is guilty off as well.


The guy was speaking in third-person during day 1. Now he's also speaking in third-person and adding penguins when ever he is able to. Tomorrow what?
Fine, he can find pleasure into doing that, but let's not forget that the goal of team town is to find the scum, lynch them and win the game.

[Shadow]

Kalse, on 19 August 2011 - 02:46 PM, said:

Shadow, on 19 August 2011 - 01:46 PM, said:

Barghast, on 19 August 2011 - 06:55 AM, said:

Based on Fener talking in pics again and Thyr, who also had a stange posting style, now having a tuxedo fetish, I guess this is a mechanic.
The speech impediments may be caused by us going completely gaga with the horror images of tentacly weirdness we see. If so, Thyrllan's third party references and Fener's picture posts on day 1 may be mod-enforced, and the additions of penguins could well be Thyr going more loony. If so, I quite dislike the mechanic and think it makes the game more than M&P, myself.

If not and this is players acting: it was (not so much) fun for a day, snap out of it.

I think I agree with this. Fener's situation may be a silencer-type effect, if there are day actions. it could also be part of his role. The same applies to the annoying Thyrllan. I hadn't thought about insnity yet, but it does fit. And it is especially appropriate for this Lovecraft setting. I expect we'll see it get worse progressively.

And yes, it reminds Shadow of the effusive verbal wisdom of the Mighty Kruppe

The problem with the behaviour for me, is that we were told it would be M&P.

In a game that was slightly past M&P, I wouldn't be surprised at all at enforced playstyle.

In a game that we were told would be M&P, it seems a bit odd.

OK, but I'm at a loss for other explanations

[Shadow]

Flame war is distracting, fellows. Can we bring it down a peg?


Somebody mentioned my name, and I lost track. Let me go back so I can respond.

[Anthras]

Shadow, on 19 August 2011 - 03:26 PM, said:

Flame war is distracting, fellows. Can we bring it down a peg?


Somebody mentioned my name, and I lost track. Let me go back so I can respond.

It's cold.
It's raining.

I'd rather have a flame going than forced to get closer than three feet to all of you.


Gasoline, man.
Fueling cars is it's secondary use.

[Kalse]

So, looking into who Anthras could be symping:


Barghast: Not thrilled by the hammer. "Butted heads early, couple of reasonable posts down the road, tries to think things over with a cool head. "

When he says butted heads, it's this afaics:

Barghast, on 17 August 2011 - 06:12 PM, said:

@ Anthras: I wouldn't read too much in D'riss asking the same question you did. We all love to be the one to be the first with the bright idea and sometimes the only way to have that Eureka! moment is by ignoring others who had it before you did. Moreoever, the more people say the same thing, the more there is a chance it gets listened to.
So, don't get your panties in a bunch, right now, you seem like a real eager kid who wants a sweet for being the smart one.

Unless............... the thing about it that got you all hot and bothered is that you read it as a very open symping attempt by D'riss through parroting, and you fear we'll find out, so you distance by calling it into question? If that's the case, wow, I'm gooooooooooood at this game.

Anthras, on 17 August 2011 - 06:24 PM, said:

Wow, Barghast, you got me there

Skimping is bad - and there's no excuse for it. Especially when people seem to be looking for symping attempts very early into a game, yet they somehow don't bother commenting on things that seem to be happening already in the thread.

Osseric: Irritated by him not being around. Wanted him to be around before the hammer. (Posts #889296, #889335, #889287). Wants to lynch him for causing controversy. "Right now, I don't really care whether you are town or not. You are the reason of a controversy." (#889158, #889142, #889095)

Kalse: Linked me and Korlat in a case as the most likely scum pair. "one among the Emur/Kalse/Shadow group is possibly scum"

Karatallid: Got into an argument with him over Anthras going for easy targets in Thyr and Fener. Wants to avoid PI'ing him as a result of osserics reveal (#889234)

Silanah: Mentions him early for not being involved in action (#888856)
"Not much help, either way. Low poster, also skimming the thread which is never good when you are a townie. "

Korlat: Linked him to me in a case, saying we are the most likely scum pair.

Thyrllan: Attacked him over being unhelpful and distracting. Obviously aggravated by him(post #889351 and his later attacks).

Telas: Bit of an OMGUS reaction to telas linking him in his case.

Anthras, on 18 August 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

Telas:: Telas tried to link me with Osseric and Tulas early on, which is a dodgy strategy of someone trying to set up following lynches. Regardless of his reason, quite a dangerous play when you try to connect more than two people at a time. Scummy as hell.

Shadow: "one among the Emur/Kalse/Shadow group is possibly scum" No follow up onto Shadow.

Anthras, on 18 August 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

Shadow:: Stating the obvious, in small posts. Mid to low poster. Possible scum.

Fener: Presumably dislikes him for the same reason as Thyr. Went after thyr more strongly.

Emurlahn: "one among the Emur/Kalse/Shadow group is possibly scum" No follow up onto Emur.

Anthras, on 18 August 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

Emurlahn:: Not much of a read, other than agreeing with people here and there, late contributor. Possible scum.

D'riss: Makes a bit of a case on him accusing him of lurking through the lynch without posting.

Mentions him early for not being involved in action (#888856)

Driss-"Though I appreciate the support... Now it looks like you are symping me. "
Anthras- "It kinda seems that way, doesn't it?"

Tulas Shorn: Says he might be scum when referring to Thyrllan.

Anthras, on 18 August 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn:: Accused of symping early, used as a strawman at some arguments. Possible scum.

Anthras, on 18 August 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

So, I'd rather get rid of Osseric than Kara, just for what went on. Immediately after these two, with close calls come Telas - Galain - Korlat - Shadow.
Kalse gives off some vibes, but it's mostly a gut feeling.

So, who fits as a master. I would expect it to be one of the people he hasn't gone after much. If he is a symp, he is the kind that stirs up trouble to keep a master safe. My guesses, in order of likelihood:

Tulas shorn-Talks very little about him. Also attacks Thyrllan strongly (more strongly than Fener, who has probably contributed less), and Thyr is going after TS. Defends TS to a degree by dismissing Thyr as having a hard-on for him.

Barghast-Again, avoids mentioning him much. Pretty friendly.

Silanah: Similarly, not much mention of him.

Emur: Doesn't follow up on him as a suspect.

Shadow: Has mentioned him twice has suspicious, without the aggression with which he chases others.

[Kalse]

Also, he's got a lot of posts so it's quite possible I missed things. I'd like secondary opinions.

[Kalse]

Also, for someone whose chief complaint seems distracting play(today Thyr and Fener, yesterday Osseric), you have been muddying the waters considerably Anthras.