[Thyrllan]

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

Three scum and three roled innos out of eight total players, at face value. Thyrllan has to say Thyrllan finds this most highly unlikely. The trick is working out where the deception lies, smurf it.

highly unlikely but not impossible.

Were i think the deception could lie is with the fact that D'riss claims he was guarded.
Yet Osseric claims he guarded barghast.

Maybe there never was a guard and osserci got lucky with his reveal...or Osseric always has been the symp guard and lied to us.

I dunno...

I dont see what it would help for bargy to fake reveal to help me out.
It is still very likely that you guys will lynch me.
And if i where his killer partner it would be game over for him too in one stupid fell swooop!....just sayin...

If Barghast were a killer, he is presumably gambling that we change our minds, lynch an inno, killers smurf someone in the night and that's game over. It would be a big play, but not such a huge risk. Thyrllan smurfs the probability of a Karatallid lynch has certainly been significantly lessened now. Much to ponder, much to pontificate.

[Karatallid]

Then it would make more sense for Barghast to be my symp....symps job its to fake reveal not the killer partner.

otherwise the symps are all dead and he felt he needed to do it...that would then not give them the win tongiht...

[Silanah]

Ok, what the fuck. Fucking forum, man. Losing posts like this is so irritating.

First...reveals. I found the "healer" code by D'riss pretty convincing. Unless he is scum clever enough to prepare that days in advance, I'm willing to believe D'riss, especially without a counter reveal. Honestly, I figured that if we had a finder, he was already dead, and I guess that's possible for the healer as well, but it would be a huge risk by D'riss or Barghast to bet on that (if they're lying).

Just yesterday Telas was saying how convinced he was by Kara about D'riss, but now he puts Kara on the same level? I find that odd. Kara seems to have changed his mind about D'riss as well, but it's more believable for two reasons - one, the Telas vote counters the claim that Kara is symping Telas (I myself was critical of Kara's supposed willingness to vote Telas); two, Telas doesn't believe D'riss's reveal, which is not only weird but potentially fatal for town. I understand being cautious or even suspicious of D'riss's reveal, but at this point it seems like it's probably true. I would really like Osseric to come back and comment on this though. The longer he's gone the more it hurts us. Barghast's reveal is timely but we have no chance of testing it, probably. Problem is that if he's lying, why is he protecting Kara? This would make more sense if Barghast was symping Kara but if that's true, we should go back to lynching Kara... This needs more thought.

We've been saying this is an M&P game but it has turned out to be anything but that. I'm not willing to discount any potential role possibilities but there are sure a lot out there. If we assume that the reveals are true, we have a number of PI or VPI players pointing the finger at Telas, and so far the only argument in Telas's favor is from Thyr. Although I can't say I suspect Thyr of being a killer, he could be quite the symp - riding every lynch train, causing massive confusion with his handicap... Impossible to know whether Fener or Thyr is a symp but it makes sense to me that the handicapped players would be on different teams. Either way, I'm wary of Thyr.

[Thyrllan]

Thyrllan will not be around to post for several smurfs, but in the meantime Thyrllan will take another look at Thyrllan's beloved and most celebrated pairings list

Thyrllan would be most pleased if silent Anthras were to smurf us with his presence once more - or does it seem like Anthras will be mod-killed (although our mod is equally AWOL until tomorrow)?

[Osseric]

Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 10:20 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

I get the distinct feeling that Thyr's vote on me is a major "carrot dangle" for inno's.

Or you're just crying. Your comment is hardly helpful at this stage.


Fact is, Thyr has been accepted by a few (Osseric first and foremost) as someone worth following so regardless when and on whom he places his vote, it has impact and that impact is increased by osseric being CI/VPI. I agree that in any end-game, everyoneought to be independent in thought and so I'm distinctly unhappy with this development, but it is as it is and if you want to sway opinion, come with something a bit less easy to turn around and dismiss.

Even if you can't sway Thyr and Osseric (and it is tough/impossible to do so, I know I tried hard to overcome their bias against me), then at the least you can perhaps persuade others that voting you is a mistake. The comment above does not persuade me, at least.

Okay so you have PI'd/CI'd Kara as inno, if we believe that D'riss is our healer, then we have 4 town players that are out there, leaving Thyr, Anthras and Telas, I'd be willing to go for Telas out of these three and I can guard one of the other 2 tonight, this is of course if we believe you. Hang on a sec, Silanah is still playing this game too right? I am just catching up sorry that this post maybe out of context.

[Osseric]

Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 01:21 PM, said:

I had decided against this last night, even posted that if there was a scum guard, there would be no finder, also having mentioned before there would likely be none. But now that posts are lost and Kara seems to be giving in to whining instead of defending himself, I don't want to make a mistake.

If D'riss is believeable (and why doubt that right now?) there is a scum guard and with a pair of killers also at large, this is D-day. End of story.

I'm the finder. I chose to walk the edge of tight and slightly scummy to keep myself lynchable and therefore alive until I found scum, since due to Osseric's reveal, I couldn't "count" on random heals. Anyone would stick to the CI instead of someone who * might * be roled. I've been looking at high posters mostly. I checked Kara, who was controversial on day 1 and gathered some votes on night 1. Why him and not Osseric?

Because I judged the killers might actually take him out and I'd learn his alignment through CF. If we had a healer, I'd learn that to because they'd have to try. Nevertheless, I was still fucking angry when he did that as it meant the night action for the healer would be a no-brainer where instead, he'd look for people walking the edge and behaving as roled players... and that is where I would come in. Sadly, the only one who picked up something was amiss was Thyr, and he has been convinced I'm scum. I am not going to out myself because someone thinks I'm scummy, I pride myself on being a better player than that, so I've been walking the tight rope. So, night 2, another high poster: Kalse.

Now, Osseric guarded me night 3. That night, I had Anthras as my target but that night was not wasted for I learned Osseric could indeed guard. Night four was a waste, though. I had really wanted a look at Thyr because he was legitimizing his vote on Fener as self preservation, so he was my target night 4. Sadly, I didn't get it.

So why reveal now? Because we are heading for a Kara lynch. I had confidence in his vocality and his ability to save himself, but it seems he's now despairing. And so, I'll do the leg work. I think in all actuality is only going to muddy the waters even more, but that's what happens on d-day

edit: text colour. That's what you get when writing in Word in the official letter stencil and then copy/pasting.

I guarded you night 3 and 4, so you have not been able to find anyone for 2 nights, so you had 2 finds? You found Kara and who?

[Karatallid]

find on kalse


says so right there in his post

[Osseric]

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

Three scum and three roled innos out of eight total players, at face value. Thyrllan has to say Thyrllan finds this most highly unlikely. The trick is working out where the deception lies, smurf it.

It's not impossible. Where are people getting an evil guard from? I don't see it myself, how could D'riss be guarded and when I guarded Barghast last night. Didn't D'riss say his heal was on Silanah? Korlat died so his heal would have went through wouldn't it.

I need these actions cleared up, what happened night one, two, three and four, it would help us all out a lot.

By the way, Thyr is looking like a symp in my eyes at the moment, and there is nothing to say Fener wasn't a symp too.

Oh and yeah it is Bank holiday weekend here so its been a busy few days with me, i'm back at work tomorrow which gives me more time to play.

[Karatallid]

ok...wait...

if barghy says that he was guarded on night 4 then you must have been.

So thats pretty definitive proof that osseric is telling the truth then.

so there is a symp guard out there for sure.

Dont see d'riss lying about that....too convoluted even if he fake reveled.

[Osseric]

Silanah, on 30 August 2011 - 02:55 PM, said:

Ok, what the fuck. Fucking forum, man. Losing posts like this is so irritating.

First...reveals. I found the "healer" code by D'riss pretty convincing. Unless he is scum clever enough to prepare that days in advance, I'm willing to believe D'riss, especially without a counter reveal. Honestly, I figured that if we had a finder, he was already dead, and I guess that's possible for the healer as well, but it would be a huge risk by D'riss or Barghast to bet on that (if they're lying).

Just yesterday Telas was saying how convinced he was by Kara about D'riss, but now he puts Kara on the same level? I find that odd. Kara seems to have changed his mind about D'riss as well, but it's more believable for two reasons - one, the Telas vote counters the claim that Kara is symping Telas (I myself was critical of Kara's supposed willingness to vote Telas); two, Telas doesn't believe D'riss's reveal, which is not only weird but potentially fatal for town. I understand being cautious or even suspicious of D'riss's reveal, but at this point it seems like it's probably true. I would really like Osseric to come back and comment on this though. The longer he's gone the more it hurts us. Barghast's reveal is timely but we have no chance of testing it, probably. Problem is that if he's lying, why is he protecting Kara? This would make more sense if Barghast was symping Kara but if that's true, we should go back to lynching Kara... This needs more thought.

We've been saying this is an M&P game but it has turned out to be anything but that. I'm not willing to discount any potential role possibilities but there are sure a lot out there. If we assume that the reveals are true, we have a number of PI or VPI players pointing the finger at Telas, and so far the only argument in Telas's favor is from Thyr. Although I can't say I suspect Thyr of being a killer, he could be quite the symp - riding every lynch train, causing massive confusion with his handicap... Impossible to know whether Fener or Thyr is a symp but it makes sense to me that the handicapped players would be on different teams. Either way, I'm wary of Thyr.

Where is the code from D'riss, i'd like to go back and have a look with all the posts that had gone I missed this

[Karatallid]

Osseric, on 30 August 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

Three scum and three roled innos out of eight total players, at face value. Thyrllan has to say Thyrllan finds this most highly unlikely. The trick is working out where the deception lies, smurf it.

It's not impossible. Where are people getting an evil guard from? I don't see it myself, how could D'riss be guarded and when I guarded Barghast last night. Didn't D'riss say his heal was on Silanah? Korlat died so his heal would have went through wouldn't it.

I need these actions cleared up, what happened night one, two, three and four, it would help us all out a lot.

By the way, Thyr is looking like a symp in my eyes at the moment, and there is nothing to say Fener wasn't a symp too.

Oh and yeah it is Bank holiday weekend here so its been a busy few days with me, i'm back at work tomorrow which gives me more time to play.

D'riss says he tried to heal Silanah but apparently he was guarded.

[Osseric]

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

ok...wait...

if barghy says that he was guarded on night 4 then you must have been.

So thats pretty definitive proof that osseric is telling the truth then.

so there is a symp guard out there for sure.

Dont see d'riss lying about that....too convoluted even if he fake reveled.

but D'riss didn't heal Korlat did he? Or did he? Why does he think he was guarded?

[Osseric]

Silanah didn't die though, if Silanah was healed what does that mean? If he was targeted it wouldn't go through? Or if he tried to kill would that not go through, i'm confused here.

[Osseric]

Right now then through what has been said and IF everyone who is roled is to be believed, then Thyr, Telas and Silanah become our top 3 contenders for scum.

[Karatallid]

Osseric, on 30 August 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

ok...wait...

if barghy says that he was guarded on night 4 then you must have been.

So thats pretty definitive proof that osseric is telling the truth then.

so there is a symp guard out there for sure.

Dont see d'riss lying about that....too convoluted even if he fake reveled.

but D'riss didn't heal Korlat did he? Or did he? Why does he think he was guarded?

i dont know the details i cant remember but he distinctly said he was gaurded.
he said he tried to double bluff the killers by switching to silanah in the hopes that the killers thought that sil was the healer.
But he said it didnt go through...or...i cant remember.

All i know is that he def said he was guarded.

Im on my way out the door now...can someone go back and show this fool what im talking about

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 30 August 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

Three scum and three roled innos out of eight total players, at face value. Thyrllan has to say Thyrllan finds this most highly unlikely. The trick is working out where the deception lies, smurf it.

It's not impossible. Where are people getting an evil guard from? I don't see it myself, how could D'riss be guarded and when I guarded Barghast last night. Didn't D'riss say his heal was on Silanah? Korlat died so his heal would have went through wouldn't it.

I need these actions cleared up, what happened night one, two, three and four, it would help us all out a lot.

By the way, Thyr is looking like a symp in my eyes at the moment, and there is nothing to say Fener wasn't a symp too.

Oh and yeah it is Bank holiday weekend here so its been a busy few days with me, i'm back at work tomorrow which gives me more time to play.

D'riss says he was guarded. That leaves a scenario where we might have 3 starting scum (2 killers plus guard who probably knows the killers) instead of two killers plus two symps, of which the guard would (likely) CF scum instead of town like a symp would.
D'riss healed you, if I'm not mistaken, why would he heal Silanah and risk you?

As for why we made the end-game as roled people... it's half up to your own ability to avoid getting lynched and half to scum priorities (and your own luck to avoid them) to spread chaos/remove accusers/try and hunt down roled players. Add 5% effort to not get modkilled and there you have it: a shot at end-game.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 5

24 hours left of the day.

8 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Karatallid, Silanah, Thyrllan, D'riss.

5 votes to lynch.
4 votes to go to night.


1 vote for Telas (Karatallid)


Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Silanah, Thyrllan, D'riss.


I don't know how much of the day has been lost all told. I'm leaving you 24 hours, which seems about the right amount, though I can adapt if you guys feel I'm giving too little. I'm rather unavailable and had hoped that someone else had stepped in for these last couple of days.. Alas.

[D'riss]

I am here and Caught up... Finder reveal...wtf


@ Osseric. I healed you everynight but last night. Last night I healed Silanah. My reasoning being; I had just blocked a kill on you. The Killers knew there was a healer still out there. I gambled, correctly, that they wouldn't risk another NK on you. What I didn't forsee, because I had him in my scum sights, was that Korlat would get NK'd. I had healed Silanah. Also, I got a PM from PS stating that I was guarded last night. If you stand by your assertation that you guarded Barghast. then that means that there is a Symp/guard out there. This would fit well with what Morghy said about "combining roles" I will go back and pull up my very first post where I coded my role into the post.

This whole Barghast thing stinks. honestly I am not sure I buy it. And if I decide I don't buy it, I will be voting Kara. As much as I want to vote Telas, signs are starting to point away from him.

I will have another post coming with my code.

another post trying to recap my thoughts from yesterday.

another post regarding my thoughts on today.

and finally a post stating how much i wanted to punch Telas in the mouth yesterday. I was literally angry irl... lol fucking mafia.

[D'riss]

Honestly, also I think Anthras should be modkilled. He has been gone WELL over 30 hours. if it means innos lose... oh well. But if we are following the rules, he should have been killed sometime yesterday. I don't think he has posted since before the weekend. Thats just too long and it's throwing to much doubt on the game and affecting our decisions. Unfortunately, I think that means he is probably inno, as Killers are usually really into their games. Ri's are a bit more apt to just say "fuck it"

[D'riss]

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D, on 17 August 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:

Hello Everyone!

I step in out of the rain for only a moment and you have some sorry sap up against the wall.

Aggressive. Love it! Everyone Run and get their pitch fork, we are gonna have ourselves a lynchin in the old inn!

(I thought we had culled out all the early fun from these games. Good to see we can still be aggressive early.)

But.... aren't we supposed to be lynching the suspected symp's master? An inno CF really doesn't help us on day 1.

Which if you believe Osseric is symping and he actually is...is what we would get.

Highlighted the code. Notice, all code letters are the first letter of the word, and all letters from the code are capitalized even if they aren't at the begining of a sentence. The rest of the sentence is gramatically correct.

D, on 17 August 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:

Hello Everyone!

I step in out of the rain for only a moment and you have some sorry sap up against the wall.

Aggressive. Love it! Everyone Run and get their pitch fork, we are gonna have ourselves a lynchin in the old inn!

(I thought we had culled out all the early fun from these games. Good to see we can still be aggressive early.)

But.... aren't we supposed to be lynching the suspected symp's master? An inno CF really doesn't help us on day 1.

Which if you believe Osseric is symping and he actually is...is what we would get.