Help
OK, here are my thoughts from Yesterday.
This is the Fener Lynch train:
Telas, Kara, Korlat, Thyr, Osseric, D'riss.
People off the Train: Barghast, Silanah, Anthras
Things we know:
Osseric is CI
D'riss is CI/VPI or if you are Telas I am scum.
Korlat was Nk'd and an inno.
Based on Fener's CF I am making the assumption that Thyr is at worst, a Symp.
Telas and Kara are unknown.
So, one of 3 things can happen:
1. 2 scum are on the Train= Telas and Korlat are scum.
2. 1 scum is on the train= Telas or Korlat are scum.
3. No Scum is on the train. and between Barghast, Silanah, and Anthras there are 2 scum.
**I find this to be HIGHLY unlikely.** for 2 reasons. one is that the train built up insanely fast over a weekend break when we had plenty of time. Waffling inno's dont usually do this without SOME scum help.
2. With Barghasts "finder reveal" That makes Silanah and Anthras both Scum and they are 2 of the least active players. (thats just my opinion, take it for what you will).
I believe option 2 is BY FAR the most likely option, meaning that Telas or Kara are my most likely possibility for scum.
Mafia 76.5 a tentacular horror
#802
D'riss 
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 103
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 05:17 PM
More on my thoughts/happenings from yesterday:
1. After Korlat came back inno, Karatallid did a huge write up case on me. He had Telas, and Thyr agreeing with it, but no votes up to that point.
2. I came on and revealed healer and posted pretty much what I just said in the post before this.
3. In one of his posts Kara stated that it was unlikely that there were NO scum on the Fener train, he then proceeded to finger me. (it didn't feel good)
4. once I revealed, and stated that I suspected him of Symping Telas, he got very butt hurt and tried to poke holes in all my arguments. (to varying degrees of success)
5. Thyr came up with a list of possible pairings. The Jury is still out on the list.
Hell, I can't remember the rest. there was a lot of back and forth between me and Kara, Thyr and Kara, a few smatterings from Silanah, Barghy and everyone and nonsense from Telas. Anthras was MIA and Osseric was MIA until this morning. Feel free to interject at some point and tell me if I missed anything important.
1. After Korlat came back inno, Karatallid did a huge write up case on me. He had Telas, and Thyr agreeing with it, but no votes up to that point.
2. I came on and revealed healer and posted pretty much what I just said in the post before this.
3. In one of his posts Kara stated that it was unlikely that there were NO scum on the Fener train, he then proceeded to finger me. (it didn't feel good)
4. once I revealed, and stated that I suspected him of Symping Telas, he got very butt hurt and tried to poke holes in all my arguments. (to varying degrees of success)
5. Thyr came up with a list of possible pairings. The Jury is still out on the list.
Hell, I can't remember the rest. there was a lot of back and forth between me and Kara, Thyr and Kara, a few smatterings from Silanah, Barghy and everyone and nonsense from Telas. Anthras was MIA and Osseric was MIA until this morning. Feel free to interject at some point and tell me if I missed anything important.
#804
Barghast
- Fist
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 258
- Joined: 01-October 09
Posted 30 August 2011 - 05:21 PM
Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:
Remove Vote
Thyrllan smurfs it when people come along and throw a smurf into his perfectly good theories. Thyrllan asks what the probability of all roled innos making it this far is, as we now appear to have a healer, a guard, and a finder?
Of these, Thyrllan is most believing of D'riss as healer. Thyrllan was, unfortunately, fairly certain that Tulas Shorn was a finder, and some of his smurfositions were based on that. Does not yet, of course, mean they were wrong.
Thyrllan believes we have two killers and an evil guard. Three smurfs, eight players. Barghast's finds, if Barghast is telling the truth, do not preclude the possibility that he investigated the non-killer scum at some point (i.e. either Thyrllan himself or Karatallid). Thyrllan notes that if we believe all the smurfs, this leaves Silanah, Telas and Anthras as the only candidates for killers. If.
Of course, Thyrllan might suggest that Barghast is attempting to save both himself and his smurf partner Karatallid with this reveal - but Thyrllan is not sure, not sure at all.
Thyrllan must needs think.
Thyrllan smurfs it when people come along and throw a smurf into his perfectly good theories. Thyrllan asks what the probability of all roled innos making it this far is, as we now appear to have a healer, a guard, and a finder?
Of these, Thyrllan is most believing of D'riss as healer. Thyrllan was, unfortunately, fairly certain that Tulas Shorn was a finder, and some of his smurfositions were based on that. Does not yet, of course, mean they were wrong.
Thyrllan believes we have two killers and an evil guard. Three smurfs, eight players. Barghast's finds, if Barghast is telling the truth, do not preclude the possibility that he investigated the non-killer scum at some point (i.e. either Thyrllan himself or Karatallid). Thyrllan notes that if we believe all the smurfs, this leaves Silanah, Telas and Anthras as the only candidates for killers. If.
Of course, Thyrllan might suggest that Barghast is attempting to save both himself and his smurf partner Karatallid with this reveal - but Thyrllan is not sure, not sure at all.
Thyrllan must needs think.
I agree on the first, Thyr. Kara might be a symp, but a scum guard that also cfs inno is... wow, powerful. I expect a scum guard to CF scum, personally. And while I investigated you, I didn't get a result. Sadly.
#805
D'riss
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 103
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 06:07 PM
Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 01:43 PM, said:
Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 01:33 PM, said:
Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 01:29 PM, said:
It solves/ clarifies very little however, except that you are town. I haven't found scum yet but we are now getting towards a very, very small suspect pool... In order of reveal, Osseric, D'riss, myself and you are town. Three of the remaining four aren't. I expect a massive shitstorm in my direction from those four, and perhaps of a few of the confirmed townies, too
. Will have to be glued to the PC I fear for the remainder of my day.I have to add: there is no alignment proof through a guard that Osseric IS town, but he can definately guard and his reveal play may have been weird for a townie, it is outright suicidal for scum, I fear. So yeah, he's town.
I healed him on the night there was no kill. So the killers tried to take him out. Either he is a symp guard or an inno guard, but he isn't a killer. Given that you really were guarded last night and can confirm that, and given that I was guarded last night. It shows that there are 2 guards around and that Osseric is inno. *this is all based upon barghast telling the truth...big assumption**
#806
D'riss
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 103
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 06:37 PM
Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:
Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:
Three scum and three roled innos out of eight total players, at face value. Thyrllan has to say Thyrllan finds this most highly unlikely. The trick is working out where the deception lies, smurf it.
highly unlikely but not impossible.
Were i think the deception could lie is with the fact that D'riss claims he was guarded.
Yet Osseric claims he guarded barghast.
Maybe there never was a guard and osserci got lucky with his reveal...or Osseric always has been the symp guard and lied to us.
I dunno...
I dont see what it would help for bargy to fake reveal to help me out.
It is still very likely that you guys will lynch me.
And if i where his killer partner it would be game over for him too in one stupid fell swooop!....just sayin...
***note all this supposes that Osseric is a TOWN guard***
Here is the thing about Barghasts reveal.
I am asking myself why he would do this.... lets look at motivations from all sides. He is either Inno Finder. Scum Symp/guard. Killer Scum.
Inno Finder: If this is true, of course he reveals. Karatallid looks like he was going down, finder knows it's D-day and we are about to lynch an inno. He reveals and we now have a 3/4 shot of lynching scum.
In this scenario Scum options are: Anthras, Telas,Silanah, Thyr. D'riss(healer), Osseric(guard), Barghast(finder), Karatallid(inno). IMo in this scenario, Thyr is symp with Telas/Silanah as Killers.
Scum Symp/guard: He see's that Karatallid (his master) is about to get lynched. He has to reveal finder to save him. Why this is Likely: If your killer is going down you do everything you can to save him. Also, if inno's bite and believe the reveal, they then have only a 1/4 shot of hitting the remaining killer (between Anthras, Silanah, thyr, Telas) If we choose wrong scum win. Why this isn't likely: If we don't believe the reveal and lynch Barghast, well, we keep playing, know he was a symp (cause he'll CF inno and we'll continue playing), then we can go straight to Kara and lynch him. Leaving only 1 scum among a sea of CI/VPI people. BUT here's the kicker, If scum have a symp/guard and in this scenario that person is Barghast, I couldn't have been guarded last night because he was guarded by Osseric! This effectively eliminates this scenario as a possibility. We know, as of last night, that scum have a guard/symp. We know that osseric guarded Barghast. We know I was guarded last night. Therefore Barghast can not be the guard/symp.
Killer Scum: He sees that Karatallid his partner is going down. He reveals Finder to save his partner. If we don't believe the reveal we lynch one of the 2. When he comes back scum, we lynch the other. Game over. Inno's win. If we believe the reveal, well...it's a stroke of genius. It means that unless we hit the symp/guard...it's game over for team inno. (this possibility really scares me).
Killer Scum: He see's someone he suspects to be his symp and tries to save him by revealing finder. Meh, this is a possibility so I included it.. but no Killer puts his life on the line for a suspected symp. If this is the case..well, Barghast is dumb because if he is wrong about him being a symp, he is basically taking the win away from himself. It's just too risky with scum this close to a win.
Conclusion:
Either Barghast is telling the Truth and the 3 scum are in the Silanah, Anthras, Thyr, Telas Group.
or
Karatallid and Barghast are Scum partners.
Baiscally we need to decide if we want to believe Barghasts reveal. That will determine the outcome of the game.
Please poke holes in this. I don't want to make a mistake.
#807
D'riss
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 103
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 06:49 PM
Also, I need a consensus Would you rather have me or Osseric around tomorrow on the off chance that we are unable to guard the remaining killer or only lynch the symp/guard? Osseric and I will have to coordinate our actions, but if we get a scum today, I can heal either myself or Osseric, and he can guard whoever we think one of the 2 remaining scum are. I'd like to get input from everyone. Whats more valuable at this point, a guard or a healer?
#808
Telas
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 3
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM
hold on a sec. so we are going with the idea that there are two guards correct? and we are assuming that on night 3, osseric guards barghast who claims to be a finder (and thus cannot find) and d'riss heals osseric potentially stopping a kill. the next night (night 4) osseric guards barghast again (to confirm whether or not he was a killer), preventing barghast from finding again. that same night, d'riss was guarded by another unknown player, preventing his unnecessary heal on silanah
so the mystery remains, who did the second guard stop on night three. if that guard was townie, could he have stopped the kill, invalidating d'riss' claim?
i just had a thought btw. what if this game is a mirror image? what if there is a scum guard and a townie guard, a scum killer and a townie healer, and a scum finder and townie finder? and then the rest are RI's for town or scum. this arrangement would validate thyr's claims of TS being a finder, would explain why there is only one kill per night, and also explain why there are two guards. town rules the day, scum rules the night. town gets day kills, scum gets night kills
this also makes me think that fener and thyr are a pair of opposites. we have the silenced one and the talkative one. the problem is, we don't know which is which.
so, if our mystery guard is alive, perhaps they can tell us who they guarded on night 3. this would let us know if it really was d'riss who stopped the kill or if it was that other guard.
one other thing that points out: we cannot assume roled players are town. osseric is probably a guard, but for which side? i think, if people really do implicitly trust d'riss to be the healer, that would definitely make d'riss a townie. that leaves TS (who CFed inno, which is odd if he was a finder) and Barghast as the finders, one of whom is scum and one of whom was townie. and thyr and fener were the oddballs, though which one is scum is beyond me.
so that leaves silanah, kara, anthras, and myself, right? kara is spoken for by barghast, so whatever team kara is on, barghast is on as well.
anthras should be mod killed, so that leaves silanah and myself.
for myself, i will argue that i have been consistently confused and straight forward, standing out like a sore thumb. this would be odd for a killer, especially for an entire game (also very difficult to accomplish if I was faking it). ao if you all vote for me, i will take it as a compliment that you think my behavior is a performance worthy of top level scum, the big cheese killer.
silanah, on the otherhand, has been laying low. keeping under the radar except for a gradual increase in posts towards this point in the game. this behavior is not as challenging as faking stupidity. in fact, it is very consistent with the behavior of many scum killers in the past.
now i am roleless inno, which means either anthras or silanah is a guard or killer if my theory is correct. i hate to see the guard go if he is townie, but in the end, as long as the guard and killer both go, town is in a good position, right?
Vote Silanah
so the mystery remains, who did the second guard stop on night three. if that guard was townie, could he have stopped the kill, invalidating d'riss' claim?
i just had a thought btw. what if this game is a mirror image? what if there is a scum guard and a townie guard, a scum killer and a townie healer, and a scum finder and townie finder? and then the rest are RI's for town or scum. this arrangement would validate thyr's claims of TS being a finder, would explain why there is only one kill per night, and also explain why there are two guards. town rules the day, scum rules the night. town gets day kills, scum gets night kills
this also makes me think that fener and thyr are a pair of opposites. we have the silenced one and the talkative one. the problem is, we don't know which is which.
so, if our mystery guard is alive, perhaps they can tell us who they guarded on night 3. this would let us know if it really was d'riss who stopped the kill or if it was that other guard.
one other thing that points out: we cannot assume roled players are town. osseric is probably a guard, but for which side? i think, if people really do implicitly trust d'riss to be the healer, that would definitely make d'riss a townie. that leaves TS (who CFed inno, which is odd if he was a finder) and Barghast as the finders, one of whom is scum and one of whom was townie. and thyr and fener were the oddballs, though which one is scum is beyond me.
so that leaves silanah, kara, anthras, and myself, right? kara is spoken for by barghast, so whatever team kara is on, barghast is on as well.
anthras should be mod killed, so that leaves silanah and myself.
for myself, i will argue that i have been consistently confused and straight forward, standing out like a sore thumb. this would be odd for a killer, especially for an entire game (also very difficult to accomplish if I was faking it). ao if you all vote for me, i will take it as a compliment that you think my behavior is a performance worthy of top level scum, the big cheese killer.
silanah, on the otherhand, has been laying low. keeping under the radar except for a gradual increase in posts towards this point in the game. this behavior is not as challenging as faking stupidity. in fact, it is very consistent with the behavior of many scum killers in the past.
now i am roleless inno, which means either anthras or silanah is a guard or killer if my theory is correct. i hate to see the guard go if he is townie, but in the end, as long as the guard and killer both go, town is in a good position, right?
Vote Silanah
#809
D'riss
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 103
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM
D, on 30 August 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:
Killer Scum: He sees that Karatallid his partner is going down. He reveals Finder to save his partner. If we don't believe the reveal we lynch one of the 2. When he comes back scum, we lynch the other. Game over. Inno's win. If we believe the reveal, well...it's a stroke of genius. It means that unless we hit the symp/guard...it's game over for team inno. (this possibility really scares me).
In Re-thinking this, If Barghast was Kara's Partner, would he risk trying to save him? It's not the end of the world if Kara goes down. Scum would still have a chance to win with a symp and a Killer among 6 players.( only 1 PI assuming Osseric or I am night killed) Would he be ballsy enough to put all his eggs in one basket and think that we would believe his reveal?
Fuck me, but I am starting to believe Barghast's reveal...
#811
Thyrllan
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 3
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 06:58 PM
Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 05:21 PM, said:
I agree on the first, Thyr. Kara might be a symp, but a scum guard that also cfs inno is... wow, powerful. I expect a scum guard to CF scum, personally. And while I investigated you, I didn't get a result. Sadly.
Ah yes, Thyrllan must apologise. For some reason Thyrllan smurfed it as Barghast had investigated Thyrllan but had not received the result Barghast wanted (i.e. killer), rather than Barghast's find being smurfed. Perhaps if Barghast were to use clearer leanguage next time - Barghast would do smurf than to follow the example of lucid Thyrllan.
It still strikes Thyrllan as quite odd that in a smurf where the innos seemed to have been so helpless and wrong for so long - all the inno lynches, kills almost every night - it would suddenly smurf out that ALL the inno power roles have survived to the end. Thyrllan knows it is possible, but that would also mean that all this time that the innos felt they were unlucky, it was really scum who were targeting the wrong (well, less important) smurfs.
Thyrllan wants to believe Barghast's reveal, because it makes our options that much smurfier, but continues to be wary. Is there any sort of code/further proof which Barghast might be able to reveal?
This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 30 August 2011 - 06:59 PM
#813
Thyrllan
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 3
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 07:08 PM
In addition, Thyrllan feels we should not make any decisions until the Anthras situations is resolved one way or the other. Thyrllan keeps forgetting about him in his smurfising, and that is dangerous.
#814
D'riss
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 103
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 07:13 PM
What's this..i dont even...
The second guard is a scum guard, he isn't going to tell us who he guarded. It was probably a RI. They wouldn't notice being guarded.
it's way too late in the game for this type of speculation. We have to make decisions based on what we know.
It's a scum guard... they aren't gonna tell us anything.
TS as a finder was a THEORY by Thyr a suspected symp. we can not base any decisions on this. Let alone assume it's a fact.
Yes. Barghast and Kara are essentially in the same boat now. If you think one is scum, they both are. If one is inno, both are.
He hasn't been modkilled yet, you can't exclude him from the game at this point.
So says you. Interesting vote though
Telas, on 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:
hold on a sec. so we are going with the idea that there are two guards correct? and we are assuming that on night 3, osseric guards barghast who claims to be a finder (and thus cannot find) and d'riss heals osseric potentially stopping a kill. the next night (night 4) osseric guards barghast again (to confirm whether or not he was a killer), preventing barghast from finding again. that same night, d'riss was guarded by another unknown player, preventing his unnecessary heal on silanah
so the mystery remains, who did the second guard stop on night three. if that guard was townie, could he have stopped the kill, invalidating d'riss' claim?
so the mystery remains, who did the second guard stop on night three. if that guard was townie, could he have stopped the kill, invalidating d'riss' claim?
The second guard is a scum guard, he isn't going to tell us who he guarded. It was probably a RI. They wouldn't notice being guarded.
Telas, on 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:
i just had a thought btw. what if this game is a mirror image? what if there is a scum guard and a townie guard, a scum killer and a townie healer, and a scum finder and townie finder? and then the rest are RI's for town or scum. this arrangement would validate thyr's claims of TS being a finder, would explain why there is only one kill per night, and also explain why there are two guards. town rules the day, scum rules the night. town gets day kills, scum gets night kills
this also makes me think that fener and thyr are a pair of opposites. we have the silenced one and the talkative one. the problem is, we don't know which is which.
this also makes me think that fener and thyr are a pair of opposites. we have the silenced one and the talkative one. the problem is, we don't know which is which.
it's way too late in the game for this type of speculation. We have to make decisions based on what we know.
Telas, on 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:
so, if our mystery guard is alive, perhaps they can tell us who they guarded on night 3. this would let us know if it really was d'riss who stopped the kill or if it was that other guard.
It's a scum guard... they aren't gonna tell us anything.
Telas, on 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:
one other thing that points out: we cannot assume roled players are town. osseric is probably a guard, but for which side? i think, if people really do implicitly trust d'riss to be the healer, that would definitely make d'riss a townie. that leaves TS (who CFed inno, which is odd if he was a finder) and Barghast as the finders, one of whom is scum and one of whom was townie. and thyr and fener were the oddballs, though which one is scum is beyond me.
TS as a finder was a THEORY by Thyr a suspected symp. we can not base any decisions on this. Let alone assume it's a fact.
Telas, on 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:
so that leaves silanah, kara, anthras, and myself, right? kara is spoken for by barghast, so whatever team kara is on, barghast is on as well.
Yes. Barghast and Kara are essentially in the same boat now. If you think one is scum, they both are. If one is inno, both are.
Telas, on 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:
anthras should be mod killed, so that leaves silanah and myself.
He hasn't been modkilled yet, you can't exclude him from the game at this point.
Telas, on 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:
for myself, i will argue that i have been consistently confused and straight forward, standing out like a sore thumb. this would be odd for a killer, especially for an entire game (also very difficult to accomplish if I was faking it). ao if you all vote for me, i will take it as a compliment that you think my behavior is a performance worthy of top level scum, the big cheese killer.
silanah, on the otherhand, has been laying low. keeping under the radar except for a gradual increase in posts towards this point in the game. this behavior is not as challenging as faking stupidity. in fact, it is very consistent with the behavior of many scum killers in the past.
now i am roleless inno, which means either anthras or silanah is a guard or killer if my theory is correct. i hate to see the guard go if he is townie, but in the end, as long as the guard and killer both go, town is in a good position, right?
So says you. Interesting vote though.
Vote Silanah
silanah, on the otherhand, has been laying low. keeping under the radar except for a gradual increase in posts towards this point in the game. this behavior is not as challenging as faking stupidity. in fact, it is very consistent with the behavior of many scum killers in the past.
now i am roleless inno, which means either anthras or silanah is a guard or killer if my theory is correct. i hate to see the guard go if he is townie, but in the end, as long as the guard and killer both go, town is in a good position, right?
So says you. Interesting vote though.
Vote Silanah
So says you. Interesting vote though
#815
D'riss
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 103
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 07:15 PM
Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 07:08 PM, said:
In addition, Thyrllan feels we should not make any decisions until the Anthras situations is resolved one way or the other. Thyrllan keeps forgetting about him in his smurfising, and that is dangerous.
Agreed. Can we get a Mod decision on this. Just so we know one way or another.
#818
Barghast
- Fist
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 258
- Joined: 01-October 09
Posted 30 August 2011 - 07:17 PM
Telas, on 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:
hold on a sec. so we are going with the idea that there are two guards correct? and we are assuming that on night 3, osseric guards barghast who claims to be a finder (and thus cannot find) and d'riss heals osseric potentially stopping a kill. the next night (night 4) osseric guards barghast again (to confirm whether or not he was a killer), preventing barghast from finding again. that same night, d'riss was guarded by another unknown player, preventing his unnecessary heal on silanah
so the mystery remains, who did the second guard stop on night three. if that guard was townie, could he have stopped the kill, invalidating d'riss' claim?
i just had a thought btw. what if this game is a mirror image? what if there is a scum guard and a townie guard, a scum killer and a townie healer, and a scum finder and townie finder? and then the rest are RI's for town or scum. this arrangement would validate thyr's claims of TS being a finder, would explain why there is only one kill per night, and also explain why there are two guards. town rules the day, scum rules the night. town gets day kills, scum gets night kills.
so the mystery remains, who did the second guard stop on night three. if that guard was townie, could he have stopped the kill, invalidating d'riss' claim?
i just had a thought btw. what if this game is a mirror image? what if there is a scum guard and a townie guard, a scum killer and a townie healer, and a scum finder and townie finder? and then the rest are RI's for town or scum. this arrangement would validate thyr's claims of TS being a finder, would explain why there is only one kill per night, and also explain why there are two guards. town rules the day, scum rules the night. town gets day kills, scum gets night kills.
Not to be unreasonable, but what use would a scum-aligned finder be? And why two kills per night? Vigs are usually limited to 1 or maximum 2 kills.
Quote
this also makes me think that fener and thyr are a pair of opposites. we have the silenced one and the talkative one. the problem is, we don't know which is which.
so, if our mystery guard is alive, perhaps they can tell us who they guarded on night 3. this would let us know if it really was d'riss who stopped the kill or if it was that other guard.
so, if our mystery guard is alive, perhaps they can tell us who they guarded on night 3. this would let us know if it really was d'riss who stopped the kill or if it was that other guard.
If that other guard is scum, you just asked them to out themselves? Why would they not have counterclaimed Osseric to begin with?
Quote
one other thing that points out: we cannot assume roled players are town. osseric is probably a guard, but for which side? i think, if people really do implicitly trust d'riss to be the healer, that would definitely make d'riss a townie. that leaves TS (who CFed inno, which is odd if he was a finder) and Barghast as the finders, one of whom is scum and one of whom was townie. and thyr and fener were the oddballs, though which one is scum is beyond me.
Once again, why would scum have a finder? It is not because I feel attacked, but it does not make sense on so many levels that I'm quite curious
Quote
so that leaves silanah, kara, anthras, and myself, right? kara is spoken for by barghast, so whatever team kara is on, barghast is on as well.anthras should be mod killed, so that leaves silanah and myself.
for myself, i will argue that i have been consistently confused and straight forward, standing out like a sore thumb. this would be odd for a killer, especially for an entire game (also very difficult to accomplish if I was faking it). ao if you all vote for me, i will take it as a compliment that you think my behavior is a performance worthy of top level scum, the big cheese killer.
for myself, i will argue that i have been consistently confused and straight forward, standing out like a sore thumb. this would be odd for a killer, especially for an entire game (also very difficult to accomplish if I was faking it). ao if you all vote for me, i will take it as a compliment that you think my behavior is a performance worthy of top level scum, the big cheese killer.
Quote
silanah, on the otherhand, has been laying low. keeping under the radar except for a gradual increase in posts towards this point in the game. this behavior is not as challenging as faking stupidity. in fact, it is very consistent with the behavior of many scum killers in the past.
now i am roleless inno, which means either anthras or silanah is a guard or killer if my theory is correct. i hate to see the guard go if he is townie, but in the end, as long as the guard and killer both go, town is in a good position, right?
Vote Silanah
now i am roleless inno, which means either anthras or silanah is a guard or killer if my theory is correct. i hate to see the guard go if he is townie, but in the end, as long as the guard and killer both go, town is in a good position, right?
Vote Silanah
I find it odd that you claim innocence through stupidity. It is one thing for others to absolve you that way, but to it yourself....
I'm not going to call it scummy, but it warrants more than a simple dismissal of "I can't help it." It's like Don King saying his heavy weight champion boxer isn't corrupt because what heavy weight would go down voluntarily in the first of twelve rounds?
I'd be okay with a Silanah vote, however, I think D'riss wants his stuff settled first, and your own post contains enough to warrant a discussion as well. We really, really need to go over all the options.
#819
Telas
- Recruit
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 3
- Joined: 05-October 08
Posted 30 August 2011 - 07:27 PM
Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 07:17 PM, said:
Telas, on 30 August 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:
hold on a sec. so we are going with the idea that there are two guards correct? and we are assuming that on night 3, osseric guards barghast who claims to be a finder (and thus cannot find) and d'riss heals osseric potentially stopping a kill. the next night (night 4) osseric guards barghast again (to confirm whether or not he was a killer), preventing barghast from finding again. that same night, d'riss was guarded by another unknown player, preventing his unnecessary heal on silanah
so the mystery remains, who did the second guard stop on night three. if that guard was townie, could he have stopped the kill, invalidating d'riss' claim?
i just had a thought btw. what if this game is a mirror image? what if there is a scum guard and a townie guard, a scum killer and a townie healer, and a scum finder and townie finder? and then the rest are RI's for town or scum. this arrangement would validate thyr's claims of TS being a finder, would explain why there is only one kill per night, and also explain why there are two guards. town rules the day, scum rules the night. town gets day kills, scum gets night kills.
so the mystery remains, who did the second guard stop on night three. if that guard was townie, could he have stopped the kill, invalidating d'riss' claim?
i just had a thought btw. what if this game is a mirror image? what if there is a scum guard and a townie guard, a scum killer and a townie healer, and a scum finder and townie finder? and then the rest are RI's for town or scum. this arrangement would validate thyr's claims of TS being a finder, would explain why there is only one kill per night, and also explain why there are two guards. town rules the day, scum rules the night. town gets day kills, scum gets night kills.
Not to be unreasonable, but what use would a scum-aligned finder be? And why two kills per night? Vigs are usually limited to 1 or maximum 2 kills. if neither side knows who their players are, it is a race to see if one side can discover their opponents and friends before the other side. unusual for a M&P game, in fact it's more like a faction game. but we don't think this is a typical M&P game ever since fener and thyr right? also i didn't say two night kills. i said one day kill (the lynch) and one night kill (the roled action).
Quote
this also makes me think that fener and thyr are a pair of opposites. we have the silenced one and the talkative one. the problem is, we don't know which is which.
so, if our mystery guard is alive, perhaps they can tell us who they guarded on night 3. this would let us know if it really was d'riss who stopped the kill or if it was that other guard.
so, if our mystery guard is alive, perhaps they can tell us who they guarded on night 3. this would let us know if it really was d'riss who stopped the kill or if it was that other guard.
If that other guard is scum, you just asked them to out themselves? Why would they not have counterclaimed Osseric to begin with? This is so deja vu of my debate with kalse on day one. i think the other guard could be townie actually. what i'm trying to say is that osseric, while seemingly benevolent, has had a lot of behavior mishaps that people have mentioned as suspicious, but hey he's the guard so everything is a-ok.
Quote
one other thing that points out: we cannot assume roled players are town. osseric is probably a guard, but for which side? i think, if people really do implicitly trust d'riss to be the healer, that would definitely make d'riss a townie. that leaves TS (who CFed inno, which is odd if he was a finder) and Barghast as the finders, one of whom is scum and one of whom was townie. and thyr and fener were the oddballs, though which one is scum is beyond me.
Once again, why would scum have a finder? It is not because I feel attacked, but it does not make sense on so many levels that I'm quite curious
Quote
so that leaves silanah, kara, anthras, and myself, right? kara is spoken for by barghast, so whatever team kara is on, barghast is on as well.anthras should be mod killed, so that leaves silanah and myself.
for myself, i will argue that i have been consistently confused and straight forward, standing out like a sore thumb. this would be odd for a killer, especially for an entire game (also very difficult to accomplish if I was faking it). ao if you all vote for me, i will take it as a compliment that you think my behavior is a performance worthy of top level scum, the big cheese killer.
for myself, i will argue that i have been consistently confused and straight forward, standing out like a sore thumb. this would be odd for a killer, especially for an entire game (also very difficult to accomplish if I was faking it). ao if you all vote for me, i will take it as a compliment that you think my behavior is a performance worthy of top level scum, the big cheese killer.
i know we don't know, but that is the thing. this is mafia, trust no one. give no one a free pass, including thyr.Quote
silanah, on the otherhand, has been laying low. keeping under the radar except for a gradual increase in posts towards this point in the game. this behavior is not as challenging as faking stupidity. in fact, it is very consistent with the behavior of many scum killers in the past.
now i am roleless inno, which means either anthras or silanah is a guard or killer if my theory is correct. i hate to see the guard go if he is townie, but in the end, as long as the guard and killer both go, town is in a good position, right?
Vote Silanah
now i am roleless inno, which means either anthras or silanah is a guard or killer if my theory is correct. i hate to see the guard go if he is townie, but in the end, as long as the guard and killer both go, town is in a good position, right?
Vote Silanah
I find it odd that you claim innocence through stupidity. It is one thing for others to absolve you that way, but to it yourself....
I'm not going to call it scummy, but it warrants more than a simple dismissal of "I can't help it." It's like Don King saying his heavy weight champion boxer isn't corrupt because what heavy weight would go down voluntarily in the first of twelve rounds?
I'd be okay with a Silanah vote, however, I think D'riss wants his stuff settled first, and your own post contains enough to warrant a discussion as well. We really, really need to go over all the options. all that matters here and now is what people think of everyone else. i am merely pointing out that if everyone thinks i'm an idiot, take that into consideration when you also assume i am the scum overlord.
#820
Barghast
- Fist
-
- Group: Game alts
- Posts: 258
- Joined: 01-October 09
Posted 30 August 2011 - 07:31 PM
Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 06:58 PM, said:
Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 05:21 PM, said:
I agree on the first, Thyr. Kara might be a symp, but a scum guard that also cfs inno is... wow, powerful. I expect a scum guard to CF scum, personally. And while I investigated you, I didn't get a result. Sadly.
Ah yes, Thyrllan must apologise. For some reason Thyrllan smurfed it as Barghast had investigated Thyrllan but had not received the result Barghast wanted (i.e. killer), rather than Barghast's find being smurfed. Perhaps if Barghast were to use clearer leanguage next time - Barghast would do smurf than to follow the example of lucid Thyrllan.
It still strikes Thyrllan as quite odd that in a smurf where the innos seemed to have been so helpless and wrong for so long - all the inno lynches, kills almost every night - it would suddenly smurf out that ALL the inno power roles have survived to the end. Thyrllan knows it is possible, but that would also mean that all this time that the innos felt they were unlucky, it was really scum who were targeting the wrong (well, less important) smurfs.
Thyrllan wants to believe Barghast's reveal, because it makes our options that much smurfier, but continues to be wary. Is there any sort of code/further proof which Barghast might be able to reveal?
Nope. I'm truly terrible at coding (I think it comes with not being a native speaker, but I suck at sudokus and other logical puzzles, too), and I tend to do it only when partnered to be able to identify the other when they're dead. Partnered finders/healers/guards are long gone from current games. Even then, my partner usually comes up with the code and I obediently follow their example. In addition, in this game, sadly, the RP was over by the time I checked in, and making a serious post with a code, wow. Usually, the game has moved on by the time I thought of something and my post stands out like a politician amidst a bunch of hippies.
