[Karatallid]

Look at telas and Barghast circling...like a bunch of sharks.
Thyr's case that has "cleared" them nicely...its clear to see from here that Barghast and Telas are smarting to vote for me but seem to be biding their time.

I think Thy'rs case nice and conveniently cuts out that possibility that those two could be scum...just ike that...booom.
The case is rather contrived without quotes and its all out of context. Clever....
Looks to me that he is trying to lead everyone by the nose.
He also simply states that Telas and anthras are supposedly cant be paired...just like that!
hah.


Vote Telas


I have played this game long enough to spot when the sharks are circling and i can see that i will probably get lynched.
If i do then fair enough. Well played scum.
You guys better just hope that both the symps are dead or you will lose now.

If on the slight chance we are still playing tomorrow then i would look at Thyr/fener/barghast/anthras for our scum.
But i doubt that as i suspect thyr to be the symp for Telas and either Barghast or anthras

[Thyrllan]

If others (not Karatallid) feel Thyrllan is blinkered, then Thyllan is smurfy for them to point it out and, more crucially, make their own cases and state their own beliefs (including Karatallid). By this, Thyrllan specifically means those he smurfs more than others - Osseric, D'riss. Perhaps even Anthras. Thyrllan does admit that Osseric's disappearance is a smurf for concern, though Thyrllan also notes that if there was something dodgy smurfing on there, then surely Osseric would have reappeared by now in order to allay suspicion.

[Karatallid]

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 12:26 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 August 2011 - 08:36 PM, said:

Sigh...When did voting for your boss ever become a sign of potential signalling anyways?
i have never bought into that way of playing or thinking.

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

Jesus christ, i can barely make out what you are saying half the time.


And without any quotes now we all have to just take what ever you say out of context and believe it all willy nilly.

Like linking me with barghast because i failed to mention him, maybe i just missed his post where he doubted the reveal?...fuck i dont know.
How the hell is that link even plausible. I was supposedly telas symp earlier for leaving him off my list too...bah

And stating silanah looks like a bored inno now connects us? fuck me.... i give up!

I feel like just self voting and leaving the thread for good...seriously.

He even thinks its impossible for killer pair to vote for one another?...he completely writes off a telas/barghast pair because of a vote....what a joke.

Thyrllan muses self-contradiction much, Karatallid? For some smurf who was so convinced that scum would not vote for each other, Karatallid seems quite certain they might now.

And the reason that Thyrllan so helpfully put that note beside the Telas-Barghast pairing IS because Thyrllan felt it was the weakest piece of evidence for all the non-pairings. That is why Thyrllan smurfed the note there, so people would know and discuss its merits.

Are you fucking STUPID?
The first quote was with regards to a SYMP signalling his MASTER by voting for him.

What i am talking about in the bold part of the second quote is called distancing you ignorant cock.
Between A KILLER PAIR

Two completely different things.

Here is a perfect example of how Thyr goes about conducting his cases...completely ignores the context and just ties things together....fucking marvelous!!
If you are inno you are fucking useless!

[Thyrllan]

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

Look at telas and Barghast circling...like a bunch of sharks.
Thyr's case that has "cleared" them nicely...its clear to see from here that Barghast and Telas are smarting to vote for me but seem to be biding their time.

I think Thy'rs case nice and conveniently cuts out that possibility that those two could be scum...just ike that...booom.
The case is rather contrived without quotes and its all out of context. Clever....
Looks to me that he is trying to lead everyone by the nose.
He also simply states that Telas and anthras are supposedly cant be paired...just like that!
hah.


Vote Telas


I have played this game long enough to spot when the sharks are circling and i can see that i will probably get lynched.
If i do then fair enough. Well played scum.
You guys better just hope that both the symps are dead or you will lose now.

If on the slight chance we are still playing tomorrow then i would look at Thyr/fener/barghast/anthras for our scum.
But i doubt that as i suspect thyr to be the symp for Telas and either Barghast or anthras

Thyrllan gets the distinct impression that Karatallid simply skims over/ignores Thyrllan's posts, which have smurfed to every single query you yet again put forward here. Thyrllan has stated, any more details which are wanted by people, Thyrllan will be smurfy to provide. Thyrllan too has answered the Telas-Barghast accusation.

And Thyrllan has also said that Barghast, along with Silanah, is his no.2 smurf. Because they don't feature on both pairings which Thyrllan believes the likeliest, they are secondary to Karatallid right now.

Thyrllan moreover smurfs that there could well be a non-killer scum around which could be anyone, but Thyrllan is focusing on finding the killers.

[Thyrllan]

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 12:37 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 12:26 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 August 2011 - 08:36 PM, said:

Sigh...When did voting for your boss ever become a sign of potential signalling anyways?
i have never bought into that way of playing or thinking.

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

Jesus christ, i can barely make out what you are saying half the time.


And without any quotes now we all have to just take what ever you say out of context and believe it all willy nilly.

Like linking me with barghast because i failed to mention him, maybe i just missed his post where he doubted the reveal?...fuck i dont know.
How the hell is that link even plausible. I was supposedly telas symp earlier for leaving him off my list too...bah

And stating silanah looks like a bored inno now connects us? fuck me.... i give up!

I feel like just self voting and leaving the thread for good...seriously.

He even thinks its impossible for killer pair to vote for one another?...he completely writes off a telas/barghast pair because of a vote....what a joke.

Thyrllan muses self-contradiction much, Karatallid? For some smurf who was so convinced that scum would not vote for each other, Karatallid seems quite certain they might now.

And the reason that Thyrllan so helpfully put that note beside the Telas-Barghast pairing IS because Thyrllan felt it was the weakest piece of evidence for all the non-pairings. That is why Thyrllan smurfed the note there, so people would know and discuss its merits.

Are you fucking STUPID?
The first quote was with regards to a SYMP signalling his MASTER by voting for him.

What i am talking about in the bold part of the second quote is called distancing you ignorant cock.
Between A KILLER PAIR

Two completely different things.

Here is a perfect example of how Thyr goes about conducting his cases...completely ignores the context and just ties things together....fucking marvelous!!
If you are inno you are fucking useless!

Thyrllan smurfed that Karatallid would say that. It does not change the fact that Karatallid smurfs there are certain things which scum would stop at doing - and it was Karatallid who brought up an objection to voting. Yes, signalling and distancing are two different things, Thyrllan admits. Which is again why Thyrllan would like to smurf out that there was a reason why he put the note down next to the Barghast-Telas pairing. It is, as Thyrllan has conceded, the weakest case for a non-pairing, that is why Thyrllan highlighted it. However, Thyrllan also smurfs that Telas' general play style weakens the possibility of Telas being a killer.

[Karatallid]

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 12:44 PM, said:

Thyrllan smurfed that Karatallid would say that. It does not change the fact that Karatallid smurfs there are certain things which scum would stop at doing - and it was Karatallid who brought up an objection to voting. Yes, signalling and distancing are two different things, Thyrllan admits.

Yes they are two different thing and have absolutely no bearing on anything we have been talking about yet you felt the need to quote it and try and make me look like a hypocrite....screw that.

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 12:44 PM, said:

Which is again why Thyrllan would like to smurf out that there was a reason why he put the note down next to the Barghast-Telas pairing. It is, as Thyrllan has conceded, the weakest case for a non-pairing, that is why Thyrllan highlighted it. However, Thyrllan also smurfs that Telas' general play style weakens the possibility of Telas being a killer.

Aaah yes but you still ignore it...you point it out so not to look bad...but the fact remains is you still are giving them a free pass.
You know you only need to lynch one more inno so it doesnt matter what it looks like tomorrow right?

I have serious doubts about all your written off paired people, especially looking at how you dont bother quoting anything and how you seem to be fabricating certain things like what you tried to point out about my views on the killers voting for each other.
you are so full of shit its not even funny.

Im done arguing with you....

Let the others come and lap up your bullshit.



edit - posted before i did my typos clean up...was a typoi mess

This post has been edited by Karatallid: 30 August 2011 - 01:00 PM

[Barghast]

I had decided against this last night, even posted that if there was a scum guard, there would be no finder, also having mentioned before there would likely be none. But now that posts are lost and Kara seems to be giving in to whining instead of defending himself, I don't want to make a mistake.

If D'riss is believeable (and why doubt that right now?) there is a scum guard and with a pair of killers also at large, this is D-day. End of story.

I'm the finder. I chose to walk the edge of tight and slightly scummy to keep myself lynchable and therefore alive until I found scum, since due to Osseric's reveal, I couldn't "count" on random heals. Anyone would stick to the CI instead of someone who * might * be roled. I've been looking at high posters mostly. I checked Kara, who was controversial on day 1 and gathered some votes on night 1. Why him and not Osseric?

Because I judged the killers might actually take him out and I'd learn his alignment through CF. If we had a healer, I'd learn that to because they'd have to try. Nevertheless, I was still fucking angry when he did that as it meant the night action for the healer would be a no-brainer where instead, he'd look for people walking the edge and behaving as roled players... and that is where I would come in. Sadly, the only one who picked up something was amiss was Thyr, and he has been convinced I'm scum. I am not going to out myself because someone thinks I'm scummy, I pride myself on being a better player than that, so I've been walking the tight rope. So, night 2, another high poster: Kalse.

Now, Osseric guarded me night 3. That night, I had Anthras as my target but that night was not wasted for I learned Osseric could indeed guard. Night four was a waste, though. I had really wanted a look at Thyr because he was legitimizing his vote on Fener as self preservation, so he was my target night 4. Sadly, I didn't get it.

So why reveal now? Because we are heading for a Kara lynch. I had confidence in his vocality and his ability to save himself, but it seems he's now despairing. And so, I'll do the leg work. I think in all actuality is only going to muddy the waters even more, but that's what happens on d-day

edit: text colour. That's what you get when writing in Word in the official letter stencil and then copy/pasting.

This post has been edited by Barghast: 30 August 2011 - 01:27 PM

[Karatallid]

What?...is that a finder reveal?


WTF is going on here!!??

[Barghast]

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

What?...is that a finder reveal?

Yeah, that's a finder reveal.

[Karatallid]

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im not too sure what you are trying to say

[Karatallid]

aaaaah...ok thats better i can read that now

[Barghast]

Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 01:29 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

What?...is that a finder reveal?

Yeah, that's a finder reveal.

It solves/ clarifies very little however, except that you are town. I haven't found scum yet but we are now getting towards a very, very small suspect pool... In order of reveal, Osseric, D'riss, myself and you are town. Three of the remaining four aren't. I expect a massive shitstorm in my direction from those four, and perhaps of a few of the confirmed townies, too . Will have to be glued to the PC I fear for the remainder of my day.

[Barghast]

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 01:33 PM, said:

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im not too sure what you are trying to say

I noticed that myself, so I fixed it. Had some issues with copy and paste from my work's official letter stencil, which I had to type that post in in order to seem busy.

[Barghast]

Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 01:33 PM, said:

Barghast, on 30 August 2011 - 01:29 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

What?...is that a finder reveal?

Yeah, that's a finder reveal.

It solves/ clarifies very little however, except that you are town. I haven't found scum yet but we are now getting towards a very, very small suspect pool... In order of reveal, Osseric, D'riss, myself and you are town. Three of the remaining four aren't. I expect a massive shitstorm in my direction from those four, and perhaps of a few of the confirmed townies, too . Will have to be glued to the PC I fear for the remainder of my day.

I have to add: there is no alignment proof through a guard that Osseric IS town, but he can definately guard and his reveal play may have been weird for a townie, it is outright suicidal for scum, I fear. So yeah, he's town.

[Karatallid]

Well....i dont know what to think.
I mean are you just setting yourself up to look good after i get lynched or are you actually legit!

hmmm?


Ok....I know i am inno...so i know you are most likely telling the truth.
I dont see scum coming out and fake revealing to save me, at most I could be a symp to you if you where scum and it makes no sense for you to come out for a symp.

But i fear i will probably get lynched anyways.
This is another classic example of how a guard can fuck over inno's by blocking a finder for two nights.


I think i will stay with my telas vote then, he fits the bill and i would have to say that Thyr is either a partner of his or a his symp.
Look how quickly telas turmed on me. Earlier he was nowhere near to thinking i was scum but he turned around rather quickly today.

[Karatallid]

[Thyrllan]

Remove Vote

Thyrllan smurfs it when people come along and throw a smurf into his perfectly good theories. Thyrllan asks what the probability of all roled innos making it this far is, as we now appear to have a healer, a guard, and a finder?

Of these, Thyrllan is most believing of D'riss as healer. Thyrllan was, unfortunately, fairly certain that Tulas Shorn was a finder, and some of his smurfositions were based on that. Does not yet, of course, mean they were wrong.

Thyrllan believes we have two killers and an evil guard. Three smurfs, eight players. Barghast's finds, if Barghast is telling the truth, do not preclude the possibility that he investigated the non-killer scum at some point (i.e. either Thyrllan himself or Karatallid). Thyrllan notes that if we believe all the smurfs, this leaves Silanah, Telas and Anthras as the only candidates for killers. If.

Of course, Thyrllan might suggest that Barghast is attempting to save both himself and his smurf partner Karatallid with this reveal - but Thyrllan is not sure, not sure at all.

Thyrllan must needs think.

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 30 August 2011 - 02:32 PM

[Thyrllan]

Three scum and three roled innos out of eight total players, at face value. Thyrllan has to say Thyrllan finds this most highly unlikely. The trick is working out where the deception lies, smurf it.

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 30 August 2011 - 02:32 PM

[Osseric]

i'm around, i'll be on in an hour to post properly

[Karatallid]

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

Three scum and three roled innos out of eight total players, at face value. Thyrllan has to say Thyrllan finds this most highly unlikely. The trick is working out where the deception lies, smurf it.

highly unlikely but not impossible.

Were i think the deception could lie is with the fact that D'riss claims he was guarded.
Yet Osseric claims he guarded barghast.

Maybe there never was a guard and osserci got lucky with his reveal...or Osseric always has been the symp guard and lied to us.

I dunno...

I dont see what it would help for bargy to fake reveal to help me out.
It is still very likely that you guys will lynch me.
And if i where his killer partner it would be game over for him too in one stupid fell swooop!....just sayin...