[Karatallid]

crap!

what the hell is going on with this forum!!!

[Thyrllan]

Thyrllan's work! Thyrllan's beautiful work! Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! Thyrllan shall find those responsible and roast them to a smurf with his eyes of blinding white fire! To think that not only is Thyrllan's logical deductions of smurfness missing, so too his recipe for world peace and a cure to global warming! All smurfed

Thyrllan assumes that the deadline will be put forward. However, in case it is still at the original smurf, when Thyrllan shall not be here, Thyrllan shall put down his smurf now. If, when Thyrllan returns, it is still the same day, Thyrllan shall mightily attempt to smurf his reasoning from Thyrllan's extensive notes and even more extensive memory.

Vote Karatallid

[Karatallid]

Your notes where pointless thyrlan.

It was just a list of interactions between people and who should not be paired.
Its stupid to think like that as we know paired killers distance themselves from one another rendering your "findings" moot.

I think your reasoning is rather lazy and it makes me think you are the last symp...I think that perhaps you where a paired symp with fener afterall.
Makes sense that you would be disabled, since it would seem that if D'riss is telling the truth and there is a symp guard out there.

Im hoping that you are indeed scum becuase if 2 inno's lay a vote on me now, the scum will pile on and and it will be game over.
Im going to CF inno, you better hope that all the symps are dead.

[Karatallid]

I get the distinct feeling that Thyr's vote on me is a major "carrot dangle" for inno's.

[Barghast]

Thyrllan, on 30 August 2011 - 08:15 AM, said:

Thyrllan's work! Thyrllan's beautiful work! Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! Thyrllan shall find those responsible and roast them to a smurf with his eyes of blinding white fire! To think that not only is Thyrllan's logical deductions of smurfness missing, so too his recipe for world peace and a cure to global warming! All smurfed

Thyrllan assumes that the deadline will be put forward. However, in case it is still at the original smurf, when Thyrllan shall not be here, Thyrllan shall put down his smurf now. If, when Thyrllan returns, it is still the same day, Thyrllan shall mightily attempt to smurf his reasoning from Thyrllan's extensive notes and even more extensive memory.

Vote Karatallid

Like I said yesterday, before I'll make any decision, I want to hear from Anthras. I want to hear from Osseric: he's becoming more and more retracted while the stress increases. And Anthras, unless he posted between midnight CET and this morning, is now 24 hours on the modkill timer if I'm not mistaken, his last post even further back. With that in mind I'd like to know if the mod-kill timer is extended if the clock is, as well - if not, I suggest we lynch before the timer runs out so we don't lose by mod-kill if Anthras is town and there are 3 scum alive.

I will say this: the first hiccup was unfortunate but survivable because play was not yet in the end-game. Now that we are in the end-game, we have to recall important debates where a lot got said from memory and memory is by definition subjective, faulty and incomplete. We can't pretend it did not happen and we can't pretend we can start those hours we lost over without them having an impact. This second hiccup is going to have a major, major impact and I don't like it one bit.

[Karatallid]

A mod kill cant give the game to scum at this point....


but if anthras is scum it would be tricky doing it.

[Karatallid]

if there is a mod kill then it only means we must lynch tonight and we dont have the option of going to night....just to clear that up.

[Barghast]

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

I get the distinct feeling that Thyr's vote on me is a major "carrot dangle" for inno's.

Or you're just crying. Your comment is hardly helpful at this stage.


Fact is, Thyr has been accepted by a few (Osseric first and foremost) as someone worth following so regardless when and on whom he places his vote, it has impact and that impact is increased by osseric being CI/VPI. I agree that in any end-game, everyoneought to be independent in thought and so I'm distinctly unhappy with this development, but it is as it is and if you want to sway opinion, come with something a bit less easy to turn around and dismiss.

Even if you can't sway Thyr and Osseric (and it is tough/impossible to do so, I know I tried hard to overcome their bias against me), then at the least you can perhaps persuade others that voting you is a mistake. The comment above does not persuade me, at least.

[Karatallid]

What more can i say?
the guy didnt even bother to resubmit his silly "connection list" case!
I have stated and still believe that the case is very lazy and as a result i find it could be scummy.
you dont think that there is any possibility that he and Fener where some kind of symp lovers with a guard ability?
It makes sense that they could have been disabled in some way as a result. Or they could easily have made the dissabilities up!

He just slapped down his vote here after we lost all of last nights discussions without hearing from Anthras or osseric again.

His case is based on skimming the thread and listing who has had a ago at who, and who has not had a go with each other?...crap!! He ignored distancing wich is common fucking practice!
If finding scum was as simple as doing that then this damn game would be so much easier to figure out.
Its a cheap easy case and vote.

Its fucking D-day and the guy didnt even bother to resubmit his case!...bah!
What else am i supposed to think?...it does look very much like a carrot dangle, should i shut my mouth and let the scum win?
And i can assure you, if you lynch me you will regret it.


who is supposed to be my partner again?....Telas?...i mean i cant remember Thyr's giant fucking list so what do i do?
You think i would stick up for telas so obviously if he where my partner?
He just pissed off after his vote too, i cant even ask him!


this stinks man...




edit - few errors
cum > Scum
His > Thyr's

This post has been edited by Karatallid: 30 August 2011 - 11:31 AM

[Karatallid]

fucking lurker scum waiting to pounce!!

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[Thyrllan]

Ah, poor Karatallid, the desperation smurfs. The lies stink. As Thyrllan said in his earlier smurf where he voted for Karatallid, Thyrllan did so because Thyrllan did not have time to repost Thyrllan's lengthy smurfings, and Thyrllan wasn't sure whether the day would time out before Thyrllan returned, so wanted to have a smurf in place.

As it is, Thyrllan has returned, and now will go about reposting as best as Thyrllan can his thought processes and decision smurfings which have arrived at this fateful decision.

Simply because the posts were wiped does not suddenly mean, Karatallid, that there was no case and Thyrllan simply laid down a vote on Karatallid and ran the smurf off. That is not simply facetious, but downright dishonest too.

Bear with Thyrllan as Thyrllan resmurfs now.

[Karatallid]

Lengthy smurfings?


it was one fucking post...AND you said you had notes..fuck off

[Telas]

kara, your reaction seems disproportionate to the situation at hand (kind of reminds me of your day 1 reaction to the lynch train). i'm actually not sure what to make of it. i mean, it is definitely the OMGUS of a townie falsely accused and hurt by betrayal, but at the same time, you are under suspicion, very high on my list at least, you still have plenty of time to argue your case defending yourself and arguing against someone else, and thus, this isn't the end of your world....plus you seem to be more self focused than actually town focused.

again, all of the above are senses i get from the tone of your reaction (and probably those will elicit some more reactions if you continue to be consistent)

all that being said, your final post, while sickeningly whiny, does have some points of merit. we do need to hear from anthras and osseric before continuing. thyr is very good at arguing points with or without evidence (considering some of his earliest pushes for a lynch) and thus i agree with both you and barghast that we need to take his ideas with more than a grain of salt, especially at this point in the game. and thyr does need to at least respond to your keening

ok, so i have to take my sig other to the airport this morning, and thus have run out of time to post. i am assuming we will have a time extension, correct?

i do remember your clever HEALER post d'riss, and that makes me all the more suspicious, especially since there was text between the supposed acronym. that being said, i think if you are faking being a healer you are a symp at worst since such an endeavor would be too risky for the killer. this means kara is my top suspect, followed by our elusive silanah. that is where i stand as of this morning. see you this evening and sorry i wasn't around longer at this time.....sucks...

[Barghast]

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 10:37 AM, said:

What more can i say?
the guy didnt even bother to resubmit his silly "connection list" case!
I have stated and still believe that the case is very lazy and as a result i find it could be scummy.

Not scummy per sé but a list of interactions in and by itself doesn't mean anything as there can easily be distancing. Thyr himself said so as well and that makes it much less strong.

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you dont think that there is any possibility that he and Fener where some kind of symp lovers with a guard ability?
It makes sense that they could have been disabled in some way as a result. Or they could easily have made the dissabilities up!

Possible, yes, but only remotely so.

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He just slapped down his vote here after we lost all of last nights discussions without hearing from Anthras or osseric again.

That bothers me. Osseric's near withdrawal fromt he game when his VPI/CI status should make him more active bothers me. It really seems to me he doesn't know what a CI should do. Anthras not showing up bothers me as well as he went from inconsistent and pushy to absent but for all I know he might have posted while I was alseep and lost his posts due to the hiccup.

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His case is based on skimming the thread and listing who has had a ago at who, and who has not had a go with each other?...crap!! He ignored distancing wich is common fucking practice!
If finding scum was as simple as doing that then this damn game would be so much easier to figure out.
Its a cheap easy case and vote.

I think Thyr just sought to justify his gut, myself.
I mean, like I've grumbled before, I did everything I could to step up my game to what was apparently demanded (although I dare say only of me, other players haven't gotten the same treatment) and there were ever changing conditions for why I am still scummy, few of them worded well. How does one refute someone elses gut? I'll agree that continued gut-based tarring with the scum brush can mean the other guy's a symp... but well, we have Fener's inno alignment and I think Thyr is connected to that in the mind of most: seems somewhat likely that their roles and alignments are interchangeable/ connected.

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Its fucking D-day and the guy didnt even bother to resubmit his case!...bah!

In all honesty, I can somewhat understand that. I really have little wish myself to post all the stuff I posted last night and I guess that goes doubly for people like D'riss who posted a gazillion lines. All the same, it might have been much better. And if he is town and right with one of his connections, then scum is laughing now since there's no evidence of it on thread anymore

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What else am i supposed to think?...it does look very much like a carrot dangle, should i shut my mouth and let the cum win?
And i can assure you, if you lynch me you will regret it.

I already agree Thyr has influence and it is likely someone will follow him. But at the same time, I would appreciate if you defended yourself differently in addition.

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who is supposed to be my partner again?....Telas?...i mean i cant remember his giant fucking list so what do i do?

iirc, you were Thyr's choice because there were the most links of people with whom you could have been scum. It was more probability related than a case, dangerous for d-day. He can correct me if I'm wrong.

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You think i would stick up for telas so obviously if he where my partner?

Can of wifom I'm sure Telas will deny being partnered with you even if he was. I'm not connected in any way either to you or to anyone else but the fucky thing about the connection scheme Thyr posted is that
a) to play the game, you have to interact,
you cant interact with everyone equally,
c) sometimes you will press or question based on infoor suspicions that turn out to be wrong afterwards.

(Osseric's reveal for instance is a perfect example. It's just marginally above drunk revealing scum day 1 on the smart-play-list and so I'll maintain those who asked questions had every single right to do so, but after the kill attempt on him, those questioning it are suddenly scummy for doing so because it proves Osseric is very likely to be inno and if he is scum, then scum not known to the killers).

Finally, it is just his interpretation of the interactions.

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He just pissed off after his vote too, i cant even ask him!

People have lives. I'm sure his eloquence of the past days will not suddenly dry up.

[Karatallid]

And you didnt have to lay down a vote and promptly bugger off!
What did you expect from me? how was i meant to even reply to a case that had dissapeared?....
you could have simply come back and put the vote down once you had time to redo your stupid cheap case.
But you didnt... that stinks to me.

I stand by the fact that this was a carrot dangle to see who might hop on the train.

[Karatallid]

Telas, on 30 August 2011 - 11:38 AM, said:

kara, your reaction seems disproportionate to the situation at hand (kind of reminds me of your day 1 reaction to the lynch train). i'm actually not sure what to make of it. i mean, it is definitely the OMGUS of a townie falsely accused and hurt by betrayal, but at the same time, you are under suspicion, very high on my list at least, you still have plenty of time to argue your case defending yourself and arguing against someone else, and thus, this isn't the end of your world....plus you seem to be more self focused than actually town focused.

again, all of the above are senses i get from the tone of your reaction (and probably those will elicit some more reactions if you continue to be consistent)

all that being said, your final post, while sickeningly whiny, does have some points of merit. we do need to hear from anthras and osseric before continuing. thyr is very good at arguing points with or without evidence (considering some of his earliest pushes for a lynch) and thus i agree with both you and barghast that we need to take his ideas with more than a grain of salt, especially at this point in the game. and thyr does need to at least respond to your keening

ok, so i have to take my sig other to the airport this morning, and thus have run out of time to post. i am assuming we will have a time extension, correct?

i do remember your clever HEALER post d'riss, and that makes me all the more suspicious, especially since there was text between the supposed acronym. that being said, i think if you are faking being a healer you are a symp at worst since such an endeavor would be too risky for the killer. this means kara is my top suspect, followed by our elusive silanah. that is where i stand as of this morning. see you this evening and sorry i wasn't around longer at this time.....sucks...

ALL of the sudden i am your top suspect?


fuck off.

[Thyrllan]

Here are Thyrllan's findings (again) from Thyrllan's masterful re-read of the entire smurf:

(Proviso the first: Nothing is 100% certain in Mafia until it's all over, and others should of course bear in smurf that this being the case, nothing is 100% secure in the following. However, unless some ridiculous levels of distancing went on, Thyrllan is confident of his smurfings)

(Proviso the second: This does NOT mean, Karatallid, that Thyrllan did not take distancing into smurf. As Thyrllan had explained numerous times in the smurfs which were wiped but which Karatallid, who had no doubt read them prior to their erasure and now ignores, the following rulings out are not based on a simple 'I suspect him' type post, but on lenghty, sustained and aggressive accusation and smurfation).

(Proviso the third: Omitted from this list are the individuals Thyrllan and Osseric).

The following is a list of the killer pairings which Thyrllan believes is NOT possible:

Karatallid and D'riss

Karatallid and Anthras

Telas and D'riss

Telas and Barghast - this is based on a Barghast vote on Telas on day 4.

Telas and Anthras

Barghast and Anthras

Barghast and Silanah

Anthras and Silanah

Note 1: The rulings out of pairings with D'riss are based on previous interaction and play, and NOT on his recent smurf.

Note 2: Silanah is the most difficult one to smurf out because their interactions - positive or negative - with the other suspects are minimal compared to others. As such, in theory D'riss and Silanah could be included as a possible killer pairing, although, because Thyrllan believes D'riss' reveal, he does not think this is smurf.

Note 3: If, like Karatallid, you suspect that Thyrllan has been taken in by serious distancing, then you may wish to put Karatallid and Anthras back on the list of smurfs for a possible killer pairing.

The following is the killer pairing which Thyrllan believes ARE possible:

Karatallid and Telas - However, note that on day 2, note that Karatallid expressed the suspicion that Telas was smurfing too much his D'riss/Fener case, and that Karatallid stated that Karatallid suspected Telas was attempting to divert attention away from the lynch of Tulas Shorn. See also below.

Karatallid and Barghast - On day 3, Karatallid took a closer look at those who had doubted Osseric's reveal. Karatallid smurfed up with Shadow, Telas and Anthras as suspicious, but failed to include Barghast among those, who had also voiced strong doubt over Osseric's reveal initially. Furthermore, Karatallid on day 5 stated that if Barghast was scum, Barghast would have placed a vote on Fener the smurf before, and Karatallid instead pointed suspicion in the direction of D'riss and Anthras.

Karatallid and Silanah - On two occasions, on day 4 and day 5, Karatallid smurfed that he felt Silanah was only a bored inno.

Telas and Silanah - this is based on little interaction aside from one smurf of Telas simply saying that Silanah was on his radar.

Of these, Thyrllan believes that the Karatallid and Barghast or Karatallid and Silanah pairings are the smurfiest. As such, Thyrllan will - and has - vote for Karatallid, as he features in both pairings and therefore strikes Thyrllan as the best bet for a good lynch.

Final note: One of the main reasons that Telas is lower than others on Thyrllan's smurf list is because of his oeverall style of play. Throughout, Telas has been opinionated, aggressive, trying to lead, and quite often wrong about things (which, Thyrllan concedes, raises the most suspicion). However, in Thyrllan's experience, killers tend to smurf on to the ideas of others for most of the game, and only attempt to take smurf at endgame (though the same is not true for other scum types).

[Thyrllan]

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 11:42 AM, said:

And you didnt have to lay down a vote and promptly bugger off!
What did you expect from me? how was i meant to even reply to a case that had dissapeared?....
you could have simply come back and put the vote down once you had time to redo your stupid cheap case.
But you didnt... that stinks to me.

I stand by the fact that this was a carrot dangle to see who might hop on the train.

Sigh, why is this so hard for Karatallid to process, or is Karatallid being wilfully oblique? Thyrllan did not smurf if the day would time out or not, and wanted to put a vote down before it did. And Thyrllan said that if he returned when he had smurf, and the day had not timed out, Thyrllan would resmurf Thyrllan's thoughts, which Thyrllan now has done.

Thyrllan has stated his smurf. If people wish more detail about certain rulings out/pairings, Thyrllan will be smurfy to supply it. Thyrllan has put this down so that others can see how Thyrllan arrived at his conclusion. Thyrllan is not pushing any smurf to vote the same way, thought of course Thyrllan would consider it most sensible

[Karatallid]

Jesus christ, i can barely make out what you are saying half the time.


And without any quotes now we all have to just take what ever you say out of context and believe it all willy nilly.

Like linking me with barghast because i failed to mention him, maybe i just missed his post where he doubted the reveal?...fuck i dont know.
How the hell is that link even plausible. I was supposedly telas symp earlier for leaving him off my list too...bah

And stating silanah looks like a bored inno now connects us? fuck me.... i give up!

I feel like just self voting and leaving the thread for good...seriously.

He even thinks its impossible for killer pair to vote for one another?...he completely writes off a telas/barghast pair because of a vote....what a joke.

[Thyrllan]

Karatallid, on 17 August 2011 - 08:36 PM, said:

Sigh...When did voting for your boss ever become a sign of potential signalling anyways?
i have never bought into that way of playing or thinking.

Karatallid, on 30 August 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

Jesus christ, i can barely make out what you are saying half the time.


And without any quotes now we all have to just take what ever you say out of context and believe it all willy nilly.

Like linking me with barghast because i failed to mention him, maybe i just missed his post where he doubted the reveal?...fuck i dont know.
How the hell is that link even plausible. I was supposedly telas symp earlier for leaving him off my list too...bah

And stating silanah looks like a bored inno now connects us? fuck me.... i give up!

I feel like just self voting and leaving the thread for good...seriously.

He even thinks its impossible for killer pair to vote for one another?...he completely writes off a telas/barghast pair because of a vote....what a joke.

Thyrllan muses self-contradiction much, Karatallid? For some smurf who was so convinced that scum would not vote for each other, Karatallid seems quite certain they might now.

And the reason that Thyrllan so helpfully put that note beside the Telas-Barghast pairing IS because Thyrllan felt it was the weakest piece of evidence for all the non-pairings. That is why Thyrllan smurfed the note there, so people would know and discuss its merits.