[Thyrllan]

Thyrllan asks what happened to Karatallid entreaties to vote night? Why the sudden change of mind to vote Fener? Does that only strike Thyrllan as suspicious?

Karatallid's reasoning for this: "I'm game, why not?". Excellent, deductive logic by up many and many a marvellous shrine whose wreathed friezes intertwine the viol, the violet, and the vine Karatallid. Thyrllan has to go back to work now, but this evening Thyrllan will look at Telas and Karatallid interaction.

Vote Fener

Thyrllan cares not for Fener, after all. But Thyrllan is not quick to dismiss fair isle, that from the fairest of all flowers, thy gentlest of all gentle names dost take! the thought that scum are manipulating this move. Thyrllan hopes that town does not pay - however, Thyrllan is reasonably confident in any case that Fener is symp.

[Karatallid]

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

not really convincing there thyr.

in fact thats the type of distancing you would probably see from two people who are obviously going to be paired together by there mere fact that they are both pulling these stunts.

Ah, wise Karatallid, of course! Because when Thyrllan suspects Fener it is distancing, that holy dream- that holy dream, while all the world were chiding when others do it, it is healthy suspicion and speculation. Your one-line utterly dismissive response is far more unconvincing of your honesty to Thyrllan.

You and especially Telas have climbed many rungs on the scum ladder for Thyrllan.

yea...likewise

[Karatallid]

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

Karatallid's reasoning for this: "I'm game, why not?". Excellent, deductive logic by up many and many a marvellous shrine whose wreathed friezes intertwine the viol, the violet, and the vine Karatallid. Thyrllan has to go back to work now, but this evening Thyrllan will look at Telas and Karatallid interaction.

i believe i have given more reasoning than that...dont be silly

[Thyrllan]

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Thyrllan believes that Fener is either bored inno looking for a way to entertain themselves, or he is a symp wanderers in that happy valley, through two luminous windows, saw spirits moving musically, to a lute's well-tuned law deflecting and pointing fingers. It is possible that he is brave killer scum, but Thyrllan find this not as likely as symp. In any case, as stated, Thyrllan is willing to vote Fener, and decries the outrageous accusation that Thyrllan is somehow linked to Fener.

Edit: Thyrllan edited to make things neater, for Thyrllan is quite fastidious.

see this is exaclty the type of thing i would be doing if i was pulling a stunt like we think you could be.

You obviously going to distance yourself from the get go to fener...it makes no sense otherwise as oyu are both doing this weird thing.
and here you go all out to show how upset you are that you are coupled with him?

So if he is ever called out on it and when he comes back as scum you can say you where always after him....yet you where not....not really.
You where always saying he is a symp, and that is a safer way of distancing, as a symp is never lynched we are always looking for the killer. Have you ever voted for him?
Even with all your bravado?


again...im not convinced....actually your display here makes me even more comfortable with my vote.

Does Karatallid really think Karatallid is being serious with this. Yes, I admit, Thyrllan wrapping the fog about its breast, the ruin molders into rest and Fener are geniuses of outstanding quality. Indeed, we paved the way for all this many years before this game was even dreamt up by Morgoth. Telas says Thyrllan defends Fener, Karatallid agrees. Thyrllan shows now each visitor shall confess the sad valley's restlessness. Nothing there is motionless nothing save the airs that brood over the magic solitude that he does not, in fact, defend Fener, and Karatallid agrees with that too and calls it scummy!

As Thyrllan said, Thyrllan has to go, but Thyrllan would like to hear the opinions of others on this before Fener is lynched. Thyrllan notes we have plenty of time remaining.

Edit: Wrong names typed. Karatallid makes Thyrllan so mad!

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 26 August 2011 - 02:49 PM

[Karatallid]

look thyr...as far as i am concerned.
If fener comes back guilty, no amount of your distancing is going to save you my friend.

would have been well played though.

If he comes back inno then my earlier thinking would have been vindicated....but i fear if not now then there is certainly no other chance to test out one of your guys cf.

[Karatallid]

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Thyrllan believes that Fener is either bored inno looking for a way to entertain themselves, or he is a symp wanderers in that happy valley, through two luminous windows, saw spirits moving musically, to a lute's well-tuned law deflecting and pointing fingers. It is possible that he is brave killer scum, but Thyrllan find this not as likely as symp. In any case, as stated, Thyrllan is willing to vote Fener, and decries the outrageous accusation that Thyrllan is somehow linked to Fener.

Edit: Thyrllan edited to make things neater, for Thyrllan is quite fastidious.

see this is exaclty the type of thing i would be doing if i was pulling a stunt like we think you could be.

You obviously going to distance yourself from the get go to fener...it makes no sense otherwise as oyu are both doing this weird thing.
and here you go all out to show how upset you are that you are coupled with him?

So if he is ever called out on it and when he comes back as scum you can say you where always after him....yet you where not....not really.
You where always saying he is a symp, and that is a safer way of distancing, as a symp is never lynched we are always looking for the killer. Have you ever voted for him?
Even with all your bravado?


again...im not convinced....actually your display here makes me even more comfortable with my vote.

Does Karatallid really think Karatallid is being serious with this. Yes, I admit, Thyrllan wrapping the fog about its breast, the ruin molders into rest and Fener are geniuses of outstanding quality. Indeed, we paved the way for all this many years before this game was even dreamt up by Morgoth. Telas says Thyrllan defends Fener, Karatallid agrees. Thyrllan shows now each visitor shall confess the sad valley's restlessness. Nothing there is motionless nothing save the airs that brood over the magic solitude that he does not, in fact, defend Fener, and Karatallid agrees with that too and calls it scummy!

As Thyrllan said, Thyrllan has to go, but Thyrllan would like to hear the opinions of others on this before Fener is lynched. Thyrllan notes we have plenty of time remaining.

Edit: Wrong names typed. Karatallid makes Thyrllan so mad!

well im glad thyrlan agrees

[Path-Shaper]

Day 4

15 hours left of the day. The week end freeze is now in effect.

10 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Fener, D'riss.

6 votes to lynch.
5 votes to go to night.

1 vote for Barghast (Osseric)
4 votes for Fener (Telas, Karatallid, Korlat, Thyrllan)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Anthras, Silanah, Fener, D'riss.

[Thyrllan]

A deconstruction of Karatallid's recent play, by Thyrllan:

Following the no-death night, Karatallid suggests that we vote for night with its Phantom chased for evermore, by a crowd that seize it not:

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 07:43 AM, said:

I think we should vote night and see if osseric can guard barghast again.


If it works then we keep guarding barghast and then we can find the other killer without worrying about night kill?

watcha think?

Barghast does not agree. Thyrlann, too, expresses reservations (below). However, Karatallid where the good and the bad and the worst and the best have gone to their eternal rest is insistent in the wisdom of voting night::

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 08:17 AM, said:

Barghast, on 26 August 2011 - 08:12 AM, said:

@ Kara: but if it does not work, what then? We're down another inno and find ourselves in the same position as today, then on a definate (wcs) d-day, partly with the guard having made a mess of things. I guess the entire situation will become more foggy than it is now. The only positive thing I see in that entire situation is if the next day extends into the weekend, so we can make a better choice of target for who to lynch.

odd even rule...it makes no difference if we go to night today as we will be losing only one person and scum at max 4 people still cant win.

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 10:24 AM, said:

The going to night option has merit but is risky. We lose a day in which we could get rid of scum (either killer or symp) while potentially letting the killers have a free shot. Thyrllan is traditionally in the 'always lynch' camp, but understands while the angels, all pallid and wan, uprising, unveiling, affirm that the play is the tragedy, "Man," and its hero the Conqueror Worm further thought needs to go into this decision.

And again:

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 08:22 AM, said:

I personally doubt very much that the guard blocked the kill.

Thats would mean that if the guard got it right on day one....we could have effectively blocked the killers from killing anybody for the entire game!!
Makes more sense that the killers tried to kill the PI osseric and that the healer has been healing him all this time.



But all im saying is if we want to test the guard theory then going to night would not be a bad option if you consider the odd/even rule.

And once more:

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 11:07 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 10:24 AM, said:

The going to night option has merit but is risky. We lose a day in which we could get rid of scum (either killer or symp) while potentially letting the killers have a free shot. Thyrllan is traditionally in the 'always lynch' camp, but understands while the angels, all pallid and wan, uprising, unveiling, affirm that the play is the tragedy, "Man," and its hero the Conqueror Worm further thought needs to go into this decision.

oh come now.

THE ODD EVEN RULE...HELLO....its not risky at all.
We dont lose a day in wich we can lynch scum...because at WCS only have one day left.
So we potentially gain a day of discussion...not only that, we test out the guard on barghast again AND there is always the chance that the killers hit a symp! plus the suspect pool is smaller.

In my book it should just about be standard practice to make the numbers odd when its d-day anyways!
It does not give scum any more advantage if we go to night...dont you get it?

actually considering its potentially D-day i might have considered going to night regardless. Never mind the guard test.

Thus, Karatallid likes very and, though my faith be broken, and, though my heart be broken, here is a ring, as token much his idea of voting night, and argues with anyone who dares question it. Karatallid's 'oh come now' whispers of frustration, intractability, and a refusal to accept any divergent opinion.

But then Telas comes along with this:

Telas, on 26 August 2011 - 12:05 PM, said:

you know, after thyr's last comment, and since fener is still among my top contenders for scum, has anyone else noticed that thyr almost always defends fener? at one time or another most people have expressed concerns about fener amounting to he may be scum, we should consider lynching him. however, thyr seems more prone to saying "well that accusation may be, but this that and the other about fener, i still think fener is a poor little RI"

let me test out a theory on you all, and please don't start screaming SCUM, SCUM!!! since i am frustratingly fixated on fener and how we could let him go on for so long.

we are guessing there are paired killers, correct? we also think that in addition to osseric's supposed guard role, there is a healer who may have been the one to actually get lucky last night and prevent a NK. now, as i've said many times already, i think morgy is a sly dog. i think being a mafia veteran and a scoundrel, he has guessed how people will react to people will react to handicaps (namely wild accusations followed by, "naw that can't be right, they can't be scum, they're too obvious"). alternatively, i would not put it past paired killers to think of a novel method to toy with town. finally, i have noticed that both fener and thyr continue to be the only one's handicapped even on this fourth day and that thyr is once again very understandable and readable (odd, don't you think considering how his previous two handicaps were progressively debilitating)

moreover, in continuing with these observations, has anyone else picked up on the good cop bad cop thing going on? i mean, fener is way way WAY to aggressive, a drama queen of his own right. i would expect frustration and anger for a couple of days, but i think most people, after coming to term with their surprise handicap, would look for a way to be more helpful, eloquent (as much as one could be with pictures...), and reasonable. but fener just continues throwing out unsubstantiated accusations, people discuss them as if they were backed up by a lot of evidence, and then thyr gently guides everyone, pointing out "this" idea and dissuading "that" misdirected pointing finger.

so to summarize, i agree with those who suspect a paired killer group and i think that the killers are fener and thyr, who can communicate off thread (giving fener an outlet, since just fucking a RI for the whole game seems silly), and who's handicaps are the design of a clever veteran mod or a pair of players who are trying out a great way to keep the town off their tail.

i understand as it stands, the debate is whether to vote for night, barghast, or someone else. if we convincingly argue and agree that going straight to night is a good idea (i'm not so sure, considering a healer in the mix would confuse any results in regard to the effectivity of osseric's guard), i will help make that happen. otherwise, the evidence on barghast is weak, and at this point worth discussion but not an outright lynch...yet. so i think you see where i am going, for now:


Vote Fener

Thyrllan has bolded the first paragraph because that is what Thyrllan has proved to be patently false in an earlier post. Thyrllan has not defended Fener. What Telas refers to was not even a defence of Fener, but rather a suggestion for Silanah to look at Anthras as well as suspecting Fener - for it was Anthras who made a dodgy scum link to Silanah from one of Fener's posts. That strikes Thyrllan at least as a sensible thing to say. The rest of Telas' post as others saw; I could not bring my passions from a common spring is speculation but not unreasonable suspicion. Thyrllan fully admits that there could be any number of pairings at work, and one of those could be Fener and Thyrllan for all anyone else knows. However, the reasoning it is based upon, that Thyrllan defends Fener unlike everyone else, as Thyrllan has shown, is false.

[Thyrllan]

Next, Karatallid expresses some concern over Telas' post:

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 12:24 PM, said:

*Sigh*....well.

you know...i think if we where going to try and test out this fener/thyr thing it should have been done before now.

I suppose it would be the greatest scam ever pulled in mafia history if these two where scum and decided to try this ploy out.
And we would look like the biggest fools of mafia history.

I just dont know... Yes...Its strange...this is supposed to be a M&P game.
But then i just dont see it!!
How ballsy would that be?

Karatallid does not see it being true. And yet, in Karatallid's very next post, Karatallid I care not though it perish with a thought I then did cherish has entirely changed their mind.

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 12:39 PM, said:

You know what.....im game

vote fener

Karatallid's reasoning at morn - at noon - at twilight dim - Maria! thou hast heard my hymn! for this sudden change, including a major deviation from his pushing for a night vote earlier....well, there is no reasoning attempted that Thyrllan can see. We must presume it is because Karatallid agrees with Telas' estimation that there is a link between Thyrllan and Fener, based on Thyrllan's defence of Fener.

Next, Thyrllan posted illustrating all the times he had suspected Fener of scummy play. And out comes Karatallid with this:

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

not really convincing there thyr.

in fact thats the type of distancing you would probably see from two people who are obviously going to be paired together by there mere fact that they are both pulling these stunts.

Suddenly, the polar opposite accusation is thrown at Thyrllan. He is not scummy because he supports Fener, but because he none sing so wildly well as the angel Israfel has posted suspecting Fener! But this an argument in direct contradiction of Telas' reasoning, which we must presume Karatallid went along with as Karatallid gave no alternative reason himself. Either that, or Karatallid is simply looking for new victims.

When Thyrllan responds, Karatallid comes back with the exact same accusation as in his previous post.

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Thyrllan believes that Fener is either bored inno looking for a way to entertain themselves, or he is a symp wanderers in that happy valley, through two luminous windows, saw spirits moving musically, to a lute's well-tuned law deflecting and pointing fingers. It is possible that he is brave killer scum, but Thyrllan find this not as likely as symp. In any case, as stated, Thyrllan is willing to vote Fener, and decries the outrageous accusation that Thyrllan is somehow linked to Fener.

Edit: Thyrllan edited to make things neater, for Thyrllan is quite fastidious.

see this is exaclty the type of thing i would be doing if i was pulling a stunt like we think you could be.

You obviously going to distance yourself from the get go to fener...it makes no sense otherwise as oyu are both doing this weird thing.
and here you go all out to show how upset you are that you are coupled with him?

So if he is ever called out on it and when he comes back as scum you can say you where always after him....yet you where not....not really.
You where always saying he is a symp, and that is a safer way of distancing, as a symp is never lynched we are always looking for the killer. Have you ever voted for him?
Even with all your bravado?


again...im not convinced....actually your display here makes me even more comfortable with my vote.

Thyrllan's display...of what? Proving arguments wrong? Arguing against accusations directed at Thyrllan? Karatallid would be more comfortable if Thyrllan said nothing at all? Furthermore, how many other people have consistently voted for Fener? Uhm, hmm, nope, can't remember too many. So Thyrllan is the sickness- the nausea- the pitiless pain- have ceased, with the fever that maddened my brain no different to the vast majority here. How many other people have thought of Fener as a possible symp? Quite a few. Then why has there been no consistent voting for Fener? It is not because Thyrllan has defended him, as Thyrllan has shown. It is because we are here to hunt killers, so unless we are sure that Fener is a killer, then Fener is not priority in our mentality, as demonstrated by the fact that no trains on Fener until now have developed.

And now Karatallid stops making any attempts at reasonable responses. Utterly dismissive and unconstructive, Karatallid will not hear or see anything. Wilfully blind, ignorant, or with a town-destroying agenda?

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 02:31 PM, said:

not really convincing there thyr.

in fact thats the type of distancing you would probably see from two people who are obviously going to be paired together by there mere fact that they are both pulling these stunts.

Ah, wise Karatallid, of course! Because when Thyrllan suspects Fener it is distancing, that holy dream- that holy dream, while all the world were chiding when others do it, it is healthy suspicion and speculation. Your one-line utterly dismissive response is far more unconvincing of your honesty to Thyrllan.

You and especially Telas have climbed many rungs on the scum ladder for Thyrllan.

yea...likewise

When Thyrllan asks Karatallid outright why Karatallid has not given their own reasoning for suddenly dropping their night vote has studied very little of his part, read nothing, written less - in short's a fool endued with neither soul, nor sense, nor art idea and going along with Telas, Karatallid says this:

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

Karatallid's reasoning for this: "I'm game, why not?". Excellent, deductive logic by up many and many a marvellous shrine whose wreathed friezes intertwine the viol, the violet, and the vine Karatallid. Thyrllan has to go back to work now, but this evening Thyrllan will look at Telas and Karatallid interaction.

i believe i have given more reasoning than that...dont be silly

If Karatallid has, then it must be very subtly given, for Thyrllan has not been able to find in the maze of one-line responses and abrupt sentences which are Karatallid's responses.

And finally, Karatallid begins planning future lynches, something Thyrllan believes Karatallid himself warned others of doing of all to whom thine absence is the night - the blotting utterly from out high heaven the sacred sun and suggesting it looked scummy.

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

look thyr...as far as i am concerned.
If fener comes back guilty, no amount of your distancing is going to save you my friend.

would have been well played though.

If he comes back inno then my earlier thinking would have been vindicated....but i fear if not now then there is certainly no other chance to test out one of your guys cf.

So, according to Karatallid, anything that happens is win-win for Karatallid, and anything that happens is lose-lose for Thyrllan. Thyrllan defended Fener, he is scummy. Thyrllan did not defend Fener, he is scummy. This ardent pushing of ludicrous reasoning has not got Thyrllan so passionate in a long time there were days when my heart was volcanic as the scoriac rivers that roll- as the lavas that restlessly roll their sulphurous currents down Yaanek..

And lastly, another wilfully unhelpful sarcastic response from Karatallid, his sole contributions to adding his own reasoning.

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

Does Karatallid really think Karatallid is being serious with this. Yes, I admit, Thyrllan wrapping the fog about its breast, the ruin molders into rest and Fener are geniuses of outstanding quality. Indeed, we paved the way for all this many years before this game was even dreamt up by Morgoth. Telas says Thyrllan defends Fener, Karatallid agrees. Thyrllan shows now each visitor shall confess the sad valley's restlessness. Nothing there is motionless nothing save the airs that brood over the magic solitude that he does not, in fact, defend Fener, and Karatallid agrees with that too and calls it scummy!

As Thyrllan said, Thyrllan has to go, but Thyrllan would like to hear the opinions of others on this before Fener is lynched. Thyrllan notes we have plenty of time remaining.

Edit: Wrong names typed. Karatallid makes Thyrllan so mad!

well im glad thyrlan agrees

If most of us are strongly certain in our minds that Fener is scum of some kind, including symp, and there is no viable strong alternative for a killer, then we should lynch Fener, yes. So, Thyrllan asks, are there alternatives? Does anyone want to suggest anything different, or shall we proceed with the Fener lynch? Thyrllan would have been much happier with doing so had it not come along like this. Pushed in this way by the in dreams of thee, and therein knows an Eden of bland repose wilful denial of fact and avoidance of reason makes Thyrllan highly wary of the source of this train.

Thyrllan himself is on the because I feel that, in the Heavens above, the angels, whispering to one another, can find, among their burning terms of love, none so devotional as that of "Mother," train because Thyrllan is screwed if Thyrllan does, and screwed if Thyrllan doesn't. On the train and CF inno or killer, Karatallid will claim that Thyrllan was merely distancing himself. Off the train and CF killer, and Karatallid will claim Thyrllan is Fener's partner. It is therefore up to others to decide. Thyrllan notes that there is an entire weekend to brood over it.

If Fener is lynched and turns out to be killer, Thyrllan notes here and now that Telas was right but for utterly the wrong reasons, making Telas nothing more than a stupid but lucky inno. What Thyrllan has wished to highlight here is NOT the vote on Fener, but Karatallid's behaviour before and after Telas' vote.


Thyrllan will, after delicious dinner, go and see what Thyrllan can see about Telas and Karatallid previous interaction.

[Karatallid]

i....started reading it...but i just couldnt...im sorry thylan, maybe tomorrow i will be able to make sense of that mostrosaty of a post.


anyone else see the desperation?...or is it the achohol speaking?

[Thyrllan]

Desperation from what exactly, Thyrllan asks quizzically? After all, it is not Thyrllan under any vote pressure at the moment. Neither is Thyrllan attempting to derail a train. What that was, Thyrllan states proudly, was a lot of hard work and sweat, upon the page, enwrapped from every reader. Search narrowly the lines!- they hold a treasure motivated by a genuine belief that another's play needed to be highlighted to others. Do you remember hard work, Karatallid? Or have you always posts along the lines of 'meh, I'll read it later?'.

[Karatallid]

desperation from your friend fener being lynched...


you are not being lynched...but i can see how you are perhaps distancing yourself.
you seem all of the sudden so lively....you have not been so talkative for other lymchings.


you have been calm and collective untill now....that is very strange now that we are wanting to lynch him considering fener is supposedly such symp in your eyes....right?

[Thyrllan]

The only reason Thyrllan is getting riled up is because of Karatallid's sudden change in stance and pushing of an opinion which is against the facts.

Karatallid has still listed no reason for shifting from his ardent belief for a night vote, nor for why he voted Fener in the first place. It is easy for Karatallid to now say it is because he believes Fener and Thyrllan are both scum, but then why and all my days are trances, and all my nightly dreams are where thy grey eye glances did Karatallid not push that before if Karatallid so believes it? Indeed, why is Karatallid being so standoffish, cagey, and dismissive now? Because Karatallid does not want to get Karatallid in trouble?

As previously stated, Thyrllan is not against a Fener lynch. Thyrllan however wishes to advise more caution than has been shown by Telas, Karatallid, and Korlat too, in jumping before we have discussed all our options. As Karatallid himself has stated, we are approaching a no-going back phase. Get it wrong and there is big trouble. But unless someone can come up with a more viable alternative, then Thyrllan also says bottomless vales and boundless floods, and chasms, and caves, and Titan woods, with forms that no man can discover lynch Fener.

As Thyrllan already said, this is NOT about voting Fener. This is about Karatallid's recent deviant play style which Thyrllan has picked up on.

[Osseric]

fener wasn't lynched day one, nor day 2 nor day 3. If you ignore him each of the days then you should ignore him now, why is there more a case today than day one? Its lazy and its rash. I can guard barghy tonight but if he is paired his partner could kill and we think he's inno.
The most scumiest post i have seen is kara voting for night followed by silanah going for fener. I would have went for him earlier but now? On d day or close to d day? No. Use your brains and decideon the best lynchthis weekend, what makes you think fener's the killer?

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 26 August 2011 - 09:31 PM, said:

fener wasn't lynched day one, nor day 2 nor day 3. If you ignore him each of the days then you should ignore him now, why is there more a case today than day one? Its lazy and its rash. I can guard barghy tonight but if he is paired his partner could kill and we think he's inno.
The most scumiest post i have seen is kara voting for night followed by silanah going for fener. I would have went for him earlier but now? On d day or close to d day? No. Use your brains and decideon the best lynchthis weekend, what makes you think fener's the killer?

Dude, you're being blasé here.
The point being is that because it is so close to the deadline, he becomes a more acceptable target for a lynch for those who dismissed him as a symp, like Thyrllan. If a quarter or more of the thread thinks he's perhaps scum (and that is what Thyr thinks too, I guess) then the doubt will continue to fester if he is allowed to live. Now, we always want to lynch killers if we can, but if he is not a killer but a symp and the WCS of 4 scum alive is correct, then lynching a symp is a very good lynch today. That is why he's now a more acceptable target, I guess.

[Karatallid]

Osseric, on 26 August 2011 - 09:31 PM, said:

fener wasn't lynched day one, nor day 2 nor day 3. If you ignore him each of the days then you should ignore him now, why is there more a case today than day one? Its lazy and its rash. I can guard barghy tonight but if he is paired his partner could kill and we think he's inno.
The most scumiest post i have seen is kara voting for night followed by silanah going for fener. I would have went for him earlier but now? On d day or close to d day? No. Use your brains and decideon the best lynchthis weekend, what makes you think fener's the killer?

err..you make no sense and you clearly dont understand how this end game thing works with 10 vs 9 people left.

firstly..all we are saying is that your guard on barghast makes him no mare scum than your guard on fener night 2 does....it makes no difference since there are two killers left and your guard will not work.

this being a m&P game makes it near impossible that a guard would be given a role that can not only potentially stop scum from killing for the entire game from day one, also ends up being a fucking finder to boot by default .!

Now ossreci... i am fairly damn sure you re innocent, but since you clearly are unable to understand the concept of the odd/even rule....i have no other option but to declare you a innocent imbecile.

really now.... let me quote a piece of your stuff here

"The most scumiest post i have seen is kara voting for night followed by silanah going for fener"


uuuhmmm...sorry.....try again....not even close. i never voted night and silanah hasnt posted today i dont think?





nother glass of chardonnay will do me wonders...am i allone for the whole night?

[Telas]

sweet jesus thyr! if you could just past fener's avatar over half your posts, fener wouldn't be in this position. you talk enough for two people. gah!

thyr, let's put it this way: most of the game you have been waffling like most of the rest of the crowd on fener (maybe he's symp, maybe not, wait maybe!, nah probably not). the thing that stands out (and your self quoting does a nice job of demonstrating) is how fener is given symp status, not killer status. this, imo, is equivalent to saying fener is not worth lynching, at least for the past three days.

the general theme behind scum-hunts in this game is get the killer not the symp. killing the symp does us no good, wastes our time. thus, advocating fener as a symp not a killer. have you ever accused Fener of being a killer Thyr? i do not think so, but i am open to being corrected.

it is thus very convenient arguing fener is, in the WCS, a symp. you can simultaneously distance yourself but avoid having him lynched. moreover, you can encourage fener to speak up, clarify, help us understand, but as long as you call him scum, you are not scum yourself.

i, on the other hand, think fener is a killer, and by proxy, you may be a killer as well. i hope this enlightens the glorious Thyr.

[Telas]

Thyrllan, on 26 August 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

The only reason Thyrllan is getting riled up is because of Karatallid's sudden change in stance and pushing of an opinion which is against the facts.

Karatallid has still listed no reason for shifting from his ardent belief for a night vote, nor for why he voted Fener in the first place. It is easy for Karatallid to now say it is because he believes Fener and Thyrllan are both scum, but then why and all my days are trances, and all my nightly dreams are where thy grey eye glances did Karatallid not push that before if Karatallid so believes it? Indeed, why is Karatallid being so standoffish, cagey, and dismissive now? Because Karatallid does not want to get Karatallid in trouble?

As previously stated, Thyrllan is not against a Fener lynch. Thyrllan however wishes to advise more caution than has been shown by Telas, Karatallid, and Korlat too, in jumping before we have discussed all our options. As Karatallid himself has stated, we are approaching a no-going back phase. Get it wrong and there is big trouble. But unless someone can come up with a more viable alternative, then Thyrllan also says bottomless vales and boundless floods, and chasms, and caves, and Titan woods, with forms that no man can discover lynch Fener.

As Thyrllan already said, this is NOT about voting Fener. This is about Karatallid's recent deviant play style which Thyrllan has picked up on.

i would point out that my vote was a stance on what i believed and what i continue to believe about fener. you see thyr, if you read my posts, you might have illuminated the comments about changing my vote should a more compelling argument arise. moreover, you yourself have put forth a vote on fener, which i believe is more about clearing your own reputation than an actual conviction that fener requires a lynch. isn't that the same as Kara and Korlat "jumping before we have discussed all our options"

despite the images conjured by your name and style of dialogue, sometimes i think you are more smoke and mirrors than actual direct sunlight (to wax poetic for a moment).

[Thyrllan]

Thyrllan well understands Telas' position, and thus has no need to be enlightened. As Thyrllan said in one of his lengthy posts above, Thyrllan acknowledges that there could be any number of possible killer links, including, as far as anyone else knows, between Fener and Thyrllan. If mountains toppling evermore into seas without a shore; seas that restlessly aspire, surging, unto skies of fire Telas believes strongly enough that Fener is a killer to vote for him, then Thyrllan has no argument with that. Go right ahead. That's is Telas' belief.

As Thyrllan has since stated numerous times, Thyrllan's objection lies in Karatallid's sudden aboutturn, reaction, and subsequent dismissiveness when asked to elaborate as well as a general unwillingness to suddenly paint Thyrllan as anything but scum, no matter which way Thyrllan argues it.

And now Telas says that Thyrllan has been this I sat engaged in guessing, but no syllable expressing to the fowl whose fiery eyes now burned into my bosom's core distancing himself from Fener. DESPITE SAYING IN THE SAME POST THAT THYRLLAN HAS BEEN SAYING ABOUT FENER WHAT GENERALLY EVERYONE ELSE HAS TOO. No, that is not even the most astonishing thing! Which is that, now, after saying that Thyrllan has been defending Fener all the time, now Telas PUTS FORWARD THE OPPOSITE FOR THYRLLAN BEING SCUM ALSO. Which is it, Telas? Will anything do? Because it seems that way to Thyrllan.

No Telas, Thyrllan has never accused Fener of being a killer. But neither has anyone apart from Telas as far as Thyrllan can remember, so Thyrllan fails to see your point there. Now, if the general consensus continues to be that Fener is no worse than a symp, rather than switching to the viewpoint now held by Telas that he is an out and out killer, then It shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels name Lenore, clasp a rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore the question is, should we look for an alternative? If, however, the group is convinced by Telas' reasoning for Fener being a killer, then there is strong advocacy for a lynch of Fener.

[Thyrllan]

Thyrllan cannot speak for Korlat and Karatallid (indeed, Karatallid refuses I was a child and she was a child, in this kingdom by the sea to speak for himself despite being on here regularly), but Thyrllan's vote on Fener was indeed a matter of feeling forced to do so or risk being beset by continual accusations of not being able to do it as Thyrllan and Fener are on the same scum team - as indeed, Karatallid had already begun to do.

Thyrllan continues to believe that Fener could well be a symp, but Thyrllan would be mightily surprised (and indeed, impressed), if Fener turns out to be a killer.