[Korlat]

I wouldn't mind the full list of who was guarded. Potential guarantee of non killers if whoever he guarded turns out scum. Rather have the info on the board now in case he is NK'd.

Personally i doubt it was the guard that stopped the kill, more likely a healer.

But also potential no action from scum? Would really screw with us even if we did hit scum with whoever was guarded, especially if oss already guarded the other killer. Not likely but an option, or is NK always mandatory?

But other than the person who oss guarded it seems like fener is yelling kill me and i think we should take him up on the offer.

[Fener]

[Fener]

[Thyrllan]

Thyrllan sees now. Fener put up the picture of Yoda because he posted 'Useless I am', which would be Yoda-speak. So simple....Almost too simple! Perhaps more significantly, Fener has pointed out that he suspected Telas a Away- away- 'mid seas of rays that roll Empyrean splendor o'er th' unchained soul the soul that scarce (the billows are so dense) can struggle to its destin'd eminence while ago and this isn't a new suspicion.

Now, Thyrllan beseeches the lords of high wisdom and temperance, if only we could get Fener to put some actual reasoning behind anything. Use your pictures Fener, use your pictures! There's a good boy Fener!

In response to Korlat, Osseric has there are some qualities- some incorporate things, that have a double life, which thus is made a type of that twin entity which springs from matter and light, evinced in solid and shade guarded Korlat, Thyrllan, and one other whom Thyrllan cannot remember at this present early-hours moment in time.

[Korlat]

I don't think he ever mentioned who he guarded the first night

[Thyrllan]

Silly Thyrllan, silly Korlat.

Night 1: Osseric alleges Osseric guarded Thyrllan.

Night 2: Osseric alleges Osseric guarded Korlat.

Night 3: Osseric alleges Osseric guarded....Osseric has decided to be now are thoughts thou shalt not banish, now are visions ne'er to vanish; from thy spirit shall they pass no more, like dew-drop from the grass dark and mysterious and not reveal straight away.

[Korlat]

Well then

Problem solved.

[Silanah]

Alright this will be short cause I don't have a lot of time - but I am really disappointed in both Fener and the way everyone treats him like an autistic, mind-reading child. I mean, what the fuck. I hope the "Fener is a finder" theory is dead in everyone's eyes... Fener isn't a finder or he wouldn't be jumping targets without explanation all the time, he would actually try to make some fucking sense and maybe use Google now and again. I mean, holy shit, how many fucking jpegs are out there on the internet and he can't find any that can help him get a point across? Obviously there's no restriction on having words in the pictures so the blame for any confusion lies solely at Fener's feet. We have to be pretty sure the only way he would know someone's alignment was if he was scum. Even though almost everyone has pegged Fener for a symp at some point or another, no one is worried about him and instead...we actually start taking his suggestion seriously? I mean, when Fener calls somebody scum, it's like a caveman waving his arm around and grunting really loudly. Just because you can't understand what the fuck he's saying doesn't mean he must know something really important. It means he can't fucking talk and doesn't know how to draw pictures in the sand - or post some images that make sense and aren't just "SCUM" and then the person's avatar. What this really is is a weak attempt at making a normal post like, "Oh yeah, I'm Fener and I kind of suspect Telas to be scum, just maybe, cause his play was kinda scummy for awhile." When someone makes a post like this everyone reads it and moves on and makes their own similar post, but when Fener does it, suddenly we're seeing a symp where there was none before and looking for the nearest player to call his scum, killer partner. It's like we're humoring him because he's too dumb to form sentences, and we give him second chancres because we really want to know what his first words are going to be. These handicaps have sure fucked with our game.

That's why I agree with Telas (and now Korlat) that I would prefer Fener dead rather than alive, but it seems his handicapped status affords him patronly protection. If for no other reason than to prevent him from leading us on ridiculous tangents like the Telas/Kara/myself chain-of-assumptions funhouse.

Thoughts on other people('s thoughts) - I really don't like how people have PI'd Thyr/Fener/Osseric when the only real evidence we have is for Osseric. I agree a lot with whoever was discussing/analyzing the lynch trains, it's some of the only solid info we have. Thyr has been on every lynch, even being the first to suggest the first two targets, but his flowery language softens the accusations and makes them seem more reasonable, I guess. So for the second two votes he hangs back near the middle of the pack. Barghast is also on every lynch, and hammers twice? Pretty scummy. Whoever said hammering isn't scummy anymore is wrong. The truth is hammering CAN be scummy, but it just isn't always.

Ok, so that wasn't so short, and it's late now.

[Osseric]

Well hi everyone, I wanted to gauge reaction from certain people but they have not been around to add any comments. I guarded Barghast last night and no kill came through, our healer (if we have one) is silent, our finder has had no luck even if he is still alive so I'd think about voting off Barghast, i'm sick of following other people, I personally think Fener and Thyr are innocent, I also think Telas is playing for the innocents. Anyway I won't be around for a good part of today, (my fiancé's brother and wife have had a baby so i'm travelling to see her)

Vote Barghast

Without wild speculation on Fener again no less, I think he is the best bet for scum today, and Silanah, after that post IGMEOY

Catch you later

[Karatallid]

I think we should vote night and see if osseric can guard barghast again.


If it works then we keep guarding barghast and then we can find the other killer without worrying about night kill?

watcha think?

[Karatallid]

or we could lynch someone else...and guard barhast.
Either way...if Osseric is indeed blocking the kill then it wont go through.


You see my worry is that the healer actually stoppped the kill.
And if we lynch wrong here we could still lose.

We can however mathematically afford going to night once here and testing out osserics ability to guard both killers.

[Karatallid]

Korlat, on 26 August 2011 - 12:43 AM, said:

I wouldn't mind the full list of who was guarded. Potential guarantee of non killers if whoever he guarded turns out scum. Rather have the info on the board now in case he is NK'd.

Personally i doubt it was the guard that stopped the kill, more likely a healer.

But also potential no action from scum? Would really screw with us even if we did hit scum with whoever was guarded, especially if oss already guarded the other killer. Not likely but an option, or is NK always mandatory?

But other than the person who oss guarded it seems like fener is yelling kill me and i think we should take him up on the offer.

no action from scum could very well backfire with the guard actually guarding him by mistake in any case!


not too sure if they would gamble like that...who knows?

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 26 August 2011 - 07:28 AM, said:

Well hi everyone, I wanted to gauge reaction from certain people but they have not been around to add any comments. I guarded Barghast last night and no kill came through, our healer (if we have one)

I guess that's the explanation however, cause I can't do shit all. But then, scum would say that too so the statement in and off itself is worthless.

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is silent,

A good healer stays silent. A healer who believed your reveal would have been healing you since your reveal. Since I'm a simple RI, I say that what happened is that scum hit you last night. In that scenario, it is your word against mine. And why wouldn't they hit you? the closer to end-game it gets, the bigger the mathematical chance we lynch scum, and from the moment one of a pair of killers is down, the guard becomes a game winner. Targeting you would have been basic strategy.

With that in mind, I'd say it is incredibly important for the healer to remain silent, no matter how fricking inconvenient it may be for me, but then, a healer reveal would not PI/VPI/CI me in any way anyway, especially not if you block a kill when you guard one killer of a killer pair, it would just show there is an alternative to your story. My precious self and my ego are not worth that.

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our finder has had no luck even if he is still alive so I'd think about voting off Barghast, i'm sick of following other people, I personally think Fener and Thyr are innocent, I also think Telas is playing for the innocents. Anyway I won't be around for a good part of today, (my fiancé's brother and wife have had a baby so i'm travelling to see her)

Vote Barghast

Fair enough: you base your vote on something the entire thread can't check whether or not it is true but you believe it to be. I know it's not, but hey... my word against yours and guess what, there is already plenty of hate around for me so I guess quite a few would line up to lynch me.

So, let me ask yuo some questions, mister guard who-is-not-around-but-doing-busy-stuff just after accusing someone, doing busy stuff for the second time in the game day?
1) why didn't you say straight away who you guarded, but left us in suspension for a huge load of hours?
1a) did you need that time to read up on who you thought was fairly lynchable?
2) we haven't lynched anyone who CF's scum. Did you check with P-S that your guard prevents a kill if you guard one of a pair of killers (as that is not entirely standard)?
2a) you know your entire theory is complete and utter rubbish if the answer from the mod to 2) is: no, you don't guard both paired killers when you guard one?
3) if you know the answer to 2a) is 'yes', then why did you not reveal straight away that you guarded me, giving us around 12 hours more to discuss this?
4) are you playing some weird pressure game here?
5) do you know if the answer to 4) is yes, then so you agree that your move is quite scummy?

@ Kara: but if it does not work, what then? We're down another inno and find ourselves in the same position as today, then on a definate (wcs) d-day, partly with the guard having made a mess of things. I guess the entire situation will become more foggy than it is now. The only positive thing I see in that entire situation is if the next day extends into the weekend, so we can make a better choice of target for who to lynch.

[Karatallid]

Barghast, on 26 August 2011 - 08:12 AM, said:

@ Kara: but if it does not work, what then? We're down another inno and find ourselves in the same position as today, then on a definate (wcs) d-day, partly with the guard having made a mess of things. I guess the entire situation will become more foggy than it is now. The only positive thing I see in that entire situation is if the next day extends into the weekend, so we can make a better choice of target for who to lynch.

odd even rule...it makes no difference if we go to night today as we will be losing only one person and scum at max 4 people still cant win.

[Karatallid]

I personally doubt very much that the guard blocked the kill.

Thats would mean that if the guard got it right on day one....we could have effectively blocked the killers from killing anybody for the entire game!!
Makes more sense that the killers tried to kill the PI osseric and that the healer has been healing him all this time.



But all im saying is if we want to test the guard theory then going to night would not be a bad option if you consider the odd/even rule.

[Karatallid]

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[Karatallid]

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[Barghast]

Karatallid, on 26 August 2011 - 09:14 AM, said:

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Death to the lurkers!

[Path-Shaper]

Day 4

19 hours left and 36 minutes left of the day.

10 players still alive: Barghast, Osseric, Anthras, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Fener, D'riss.

6 votes to lynch.
5 votes to go to night.

1 vote for Barghast (Osseric)

Players that have yet to vote: Barghast, Anthras, Karatallid, Silanah, Korlat, Thyrllan, Fener, D'riss.

[Thyrllan]

Does Silanah's reaction strike anyone other than Thyrllan as over the top? I mean, no one has even been talking about Fener's suspicions and giving them credit in the way Silanah says for a good while. Thyrllan understands this goes back to and the silken sad uncertain rustling of each purple curtain thrilled me- filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before Fener's pointing to Telas as scum and fingering Karatallid as his symp. Was it Anthras who then took it forward and speculated on why? Perhaps rather than blowing their top about Fener, Silanah should devote their energies to asking why Anthras took it as creditable and unquestioning as Anthras did? Perhaps there is something there.

As for the guard....Thyrllan has made his feelings about Barghast known for some time, but now Thyrllan doesn't know whether to celebrate or be concerned. It is true that the no kill could have been caused by scum going for an Osseric who was for her, the fair and debonair, that now so lowly lies, the life upon her yellow hair but not within her eyes the life still there, upon her hair- the death upon her eyes being healed. This, however, does not preclude the possibility that Barghast is still scum in any case. Barghast was the first to suggest a viable alternative reasoning. Sensible, intelligent Barghast? Or Barghast who knows exactly what really occurred because Barghast is scum? Impossible to know for certain. People have sensibly pointed out that the guard proves nothing. Indeed, IF there are two killers, Thyrllan himself is prone to believe that a guard can only work with only one killer left.

The going to night option has merit but is risky. We lose a day in which we could get rid of scum (either killer or symp) while potentially letting the killers have a free shot. Thyrllan is traditionally in the 'always lynch' camp, but understands while the angels, all pallid and wan, uprising, unveiling, affirm that the play is the tragedy, "Man," and its hero the Conqueror Worm further thought needs to go into this decision.