[Aptorian]

Traveller, on 29 December 2010 - 09:42 PM, said:

Jenisapt Rul, on 29 December 2010 - 07:20 PM, said:

I've already accidentally started a fight. Then I threw a punch and the guy went nuts with fear and ran around a house three times screaming every time he saw me.

Traveller, on 29 December 2010 - 06:50 PM, said:

Oh, and in case you didn't explore the missions menu yet, you can replay any mission you've done, at any time, by selecting it.

I think I am going to do that. Otherwise the death of that poor girl is going to haunt me.

I'm pretty sure that if you go back to the same hideout a couple of days later, you can do it again. Not sure if you get the rep for it though.

I tried reloading a mission from the menu system, but it seems that the game only saves the story missions and not the stranger missions. And when I loaded a story mission it actually took me back to an old save so I lost all the progress I'd made since that point.

But I found the hideout again later and was able to redo the attack. Managed to shoot the bastard before she died and regained my honor.

Isolde, on 30 December 2010 - 11:40 PM, said:

I think they made a few mistakes with the horses. First, as you mentioned, it is very hard to wear them out. Second, if there's one thing that would've gotten you hanged in the old west it was stealing horses. All in all getting horses was way too easy and it made no sense buying them when you could just pick one off the street and ride off. And, while it was convenient, being able to whistle down a horse out in the middle of nowhere made things a little easy. I understand it would be tiresome to walk back to town every time a cougar killed your horse but they could at least have made the waiting a little longer.

I was wondering about the horses. I was weary of accidentally jumping up on a horse that wasn't mine because I feared getting a mob on my ass. But I have jumped up on some of the bad guys I killed's horses.

I was surprised when I was able to summon my horse right after it got killed by wolves. That didn't make much sense. But it's handy.

In other news I got into a duel the other day. It was a bit silly really, I was running past the saloon when I head some guy calling my name and throwing obscenities my way. I saw that a blue dot or something appeared so I walked up to the guy and I was given the option of duelling him. Which I did, all though it seemed a bit silly duelling a guy because he called you names.

I tried shooting the gun out of his hand but I ended up shooting him 5 times in the hip, which was funny but deadly none the less.

Then I looted his corpse because I'm greedy like that.

This post has been edited by Jenisapt Rul: 31 December 2010 - 08:15 AM

[Traveller]

Jenisapt Rul, on 31 December 2010 - 08:10 AM, said:

I tried reloading a mission from the menu system, but it seems that the game only saves the story missions and not the stranger missions. And when I loaded a story mission it actually took me back to an old save so I lost all the progress I'd made since that point.

But I found the hideout again later and was able to redo the attack. Managed to shoot the bastard before she died and regained my honor.

Ah. Maybe it's a bit different on PS3? I thought that when you replayed a mission to get a better rating/medal that you replayed that scene only, then carried on when it was over. I don't remember losing any stuff. I replayed the one with the minecart ride cos I only noticed the quantity of strategically placed TNT when it was too late.

The horse thing is for convenience I guess... having to walk miles on foot would get a bit tedious, even if more realistic. I like the way that when you see a better horse, jump off and catch it, your previous mount follows you around looking hopeful.

Would be cool to have a wider range of horses though (value wise) that could be 'stolen' and sold or traded at the diffferent ranches and stables, sort of like GTA. I was quite surprised to find I couldn't lead another horse while riding, as I thought that would be a great way of making money. And after the cattle drive mission it would have been good gain the ability to steal cattle too. (The cattle drive in the thunderstorm was one of my favourites for sheer atmosphere).

[Aptorian]

Okay I am some two thirds of the way through the game right now, I think I am close to being done with Mexico, and I have to say I am really impressed with the story and the characters. Everyone is either a victim, a criminal or a bastard and often times both. I love that both sides of the Mexican war are utterly loathsome. Some times I wish I had the ability to just bypass the storyline and put a cap in somebody's head, like that bastard general leading the Mexican army. Oh man do I want to kill him.

[Beezulbubba]

I like Mexico in the game (my favorite area, with Tall Trees a close second). The background music in Mexico is very nice also and works well with the immersive game play.

[Aptorian]

Just finished the "I Know You" stranger mission.

Spoiler

What the fuck was that all about? Do any of you have any ideas? Is this quest connected with any kind of American legend or something?

From the get go I was wandering if perhaps the man was the Devil. The two first times you meet him he tempts you. You're given knowledge of a specific event and given the opportunity to act on it. You could do a bad thing or a good thing. But you would do so of your own volition.

The last time you meet him, you shoot at him but the bullets have no effect. So, either he's not there or he is some kind of spirit.

Weird. I like it.

[tiam]

Jenisapt Rul, on 05 January 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

Just finished the "I Know You" stranger mission.

Spoiler

What the fuck was that all about? Do any of you have any ideas? Is this quest connected with any kind of American legend or something?

From the get go I was wandering if perhaps the man was the Devil. The two first times you meet him he tempts you. You're given knowledge of a specific event and given the opportunity to act on it. You could do a bad thing or a good thing. But you would do so of your own volition.

The last time you meet him, you shoot at him but the bullets have no effect. So, either he's not there or he is some kind of spirit.

Weird. I like it.

Keep playing till youve finished the game and try and work it out based on location of the last meeting.

[Beezulbubba]

PAFO (Play And Find Out) . . . make sure you pay attention.

[Aptorian]

Finished the game last night. Holy shit that ending was amazing.

Spoiler

I don't think I have ever been this outraged in a game before. He fucking helped the government and then they come back and kill him!? What in the fucking fuck, those backstabbing bastards!

The ending really was genious. After killing Dutch and the music began I thought the game was over. And then they give you another 10 or some missions with the family. I really think this was brilliant storytelling and very innovative. I sort of began to get the suspicion that something bad was going to happen but I was expecting Dutchs men to come for him, not the fucking government. I'm still not quite sure why though. Why kill him, was it just to get the prestige of having killed every last man that once rode with Dutch? It's not like Marston was a threat any longer.

This really has been one of the best games I have ever played. Certainly the best storydriven sand box game I have played. Still, I can't quite decide if I think the story was too simple or just right.

I don't understand the purpose of kidnapping Mastons family and making him find and kill the members of Dutchs gang. Why couldn't they kill these men themselves? And why not send some agents along with marston to make sure he stayed on track? Going alone in to Mexico I could understand, the army or feds can't move in there, but the rest? I don't see the point of sending one gun man out to do what 10 or 20 could do better. What more, I was disappointed that Dutch turned out to just be some rabid killer in a mountain hideout. Why go to all this trouble for a simple gang leader. Considering the government involvement I was expecting the plot to involve some Governor or Senator using Dutch and his men as some kind of personal army, making them a threat to Americas stability or something.

And yet, the story wasn't really about that at all, it was about Marston. About what kind of man he was and what kind of man he had chosen to become. I loved the discussions that were had when travelling between destinations, when they were talking about morals and ethics. Marston reminded me a bit of Karsa Orlong really. And it was interesting to see how he interacted with these old friends who became his enemies. It's a shame they didn't spend more time fleshing out Dutch and giving him screen time in the first two sections. The big showdown seemed a bit rushed to me.

I have yet to figure out what the point of the "I Know You" stranger mission was. I am guessing it was god or the devil.

This post has been edited by Jenisapt Rul: 10 January 2011 - 07:12 PM

[Traveller]

Jenisapt Rul, on 10 January 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

Finished the game last night. Holy shit that ending was amazing.

Spoiler

I don't think I have ever been this outraged in a game before. He fucking helped the government and then they come back and kill him!? What in the fucking fuck, those backstabbing bastards!

^ This.

Spoiler

I couldn't believe that after the changes he'd made, and experiences he'd gone through, John walked out of those doors to meet them. Sort of resigned, like he knew it was going to happen at some point. The damn game even makes you think for a minute that you might have a chance - then.. bam. The ending with Bonnie was kind of poignant, too; I always had a hunch that Johns family would die at the end, he'd take out the government guys, and then end up at McFarlen ranch. Damn them. But what a great game.

This post has been edited by First Tiger: 10 January 2011 - 08:49 PM

[Beezulbubba]

I thought the voice acting for John Marston was top notch.

When I got to this in the game I thought it was over too

Spoiler

And regarding the "I know you stranger":

Spoiler

Posts on various forums state that the last time you encounter the stranger (when he fades away), the location is your future grave. I wasn't paying attention, so I cannot personally confirm. If it is true, I guess it suggests the stranger is Death.

[Isa]

^^the first video there, great moment. Unfortunately I screwed it up because I thought I could find my way back without setting a way point on the map and got lost.

Finished Undead Nightmare a couple of weeks ago and must say it was better than I expected. It got a little repetitive after a while though, but I suppose some of that would have been lingering weariness from the original. I was pleased to discover the treasure hunter challenges were trickier than in RDR.

My one major complaint concerns the

Spoiler

sasqwatch

WTF, guilt trip!? Not cool, Rockstar.

[Traveller]

That was a bit cruel. I didn't shoot the last one, I left it under the tree - he might have been wrong about being the last one, anyway!

[Beezulbubba]

I didn't shoot that last one either... the poor guy's dialog pulled at my heartstrings. Once you finish that mission, they appear randomly in Tall Trees. It's too enticing not to chase one down, lasso it and drag it behind your horse.... or just to use them as bare knuckle fighting practice (they could at least fight back).

[MTS]

Roger Ramjet, on 10 January 2011 - 07:10 PM, said:

Finished the game last night. Holy shit that ending was amazing.

Spoiler

I don't think I have ever been this outraged in a game before. He fucking helped the government and then they come back and kill him!? What in the fucking fuck, those backstabbing bastards!

The ending really was genious. After killing Dutch and the music began I thought the game was over. And then they give you another 10 or some missions with the family. I really think this was brilliant storytelling and very innovative. I sort of began to get the suspicion that something bad was going to happen but I was expecting Dutchs men to come for him, not the fucking government. I'm still not quite sure why though. Why kill him, was it just to get the prestige of having killed every last man that once rode with Dutch? It's not like Marston was a threat any longer.

This really has been one of the best games I have ever played. Certainly the best storydriven sand box game I have played. Still, I can't quite decide if I think the story was too simple or just right.

I don't understand the purpose of kidnapping Mastons family and making him find and kill the members of Dutchs gang. Why couldn't they kill these men themselves? And why not send some agents along with marston to make sure he stayed on track? Going alone in to Mexico I could understand, the army or feds can't move in there, but the rest? I don't see the point of sending one gun man out to do what 10 or 20 could do better. What more, I was disappointed that Dutch turned out to just be some rabid killer in a mountain hideout. Why go to all this trouble for a simple gang leader. Considering the government involvement I was expecting the plot to involve some Governor or Senator using Dutch and his men as some kind of personal army, making them a threat to Americas stability or something.

And yet, the story wasn't really about that at all, it was about Marston. About what kind of man he was and what kind of man he had chosen to become. I loved the discussions that were had when travelling between destinations, when they were talking about morals and ethics. Marston reminded me a bit of Karsa Orlong really. And it was interesting to see how he interacted with these old friends who became his enemies. It's a shame they didn't spend more time fleshing out Dutch and giving him screen time in the first two sections. The big showdown seemed a bit rushed to me.

I have yet to figure out what the point of the "I Know You" stranger mission was. I am guessing it was god or the devil.

Spoiler

Agree completely with that. My consolation was putting bullets right between those two agents' eyes first and foremost. Think I got about 5 or 6 others too.

This post has been edited by MTS: 01 February 2011 - 11:13 PM

[Isa]

First Tiger, on 01 February 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

That was a bit cruel. I didn't shoot the last one, I left it under the tree - he might have been wrong about being the last one, anyway!

Haha, true enough. I went back to check on him making sure he wasn't just sitting there under the tree being miserable and he had gone off somewhere.

Fartstad Stinkhammer, on 01 February 2011 - 06:25 PM, said:

I didn't shoot that last one either... the poor guy's dialog pulled at my heartstrings. Once you finish that mission, they appear randomly in Tall Trees. It's too enticing not to chase one down, lasso it and drag it behind your horse.... or just to use them as bare knuckle fighting practice (they could at least fight back).

No! I couldn't have done that. Not that I recall seeing any after the challenge...

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Still debating if i should get UNdead Nightmare. i think so. I'm itching to play the game since I haven't touched it after beating it. New content could be fun.

However, Dragon Age will be mine shortly, and that should keep me busy.

[Beezulbubba]

Get Undead Nightmare! I was skeptical (plugging zombies into Red Dead Redemption), but they balance it nicely with the world.... it's a lot of fun!

[Traveller]

It's worth it just to play as Marston again for a while. And for the undead bears...

[Aptorian]

I bought Undead Nightmare right after finishing RDR. I do not recommend buying it unless you are very good at aiming or want to be dependant on the dead eye mode. I had a bitch of a time aiming for the zombies heads and as such it made the combat more annoying than fun and I gave up.

[Isa]

Mm, aiming to kill wasn't easy, at least not to begin with. I might have imagined this but didn't the "auto-aim" or whatever you call it get better along with the number of zombies you killed? Anyway, I used dead-eye in all the towns, at least until the more creative toys came around. The graveyards were driving me crazy at first but then I started running around in a circle with a sawed off shotgun and picking them off as I went, survivable as long as you don't stop running and let them mob you (Zombieland 101). Same worked with the torch. Not a lot a prestige in that tactic but it was very effective.

This post has been edited by Isolde: 11 March 2011 - 07:54 PM