[Tulas Shorn]

Okaros, on 10 February 2010 - 04:59 PM, said:

Meanas - you're the only person who's mentioned these 'lone wolf' factions, where do you see them mentioned as being included, because I dont see anything about them.

In my defense, I dont know why you all think I'm a faction leader. I put a vote on Spite, because I thought it was a safe vote, especially considering how early it was in the day. It's not the only course of action that I'm willing to consider, but it's a viable option and people have to put down votes to get the ball rolling. So that's what I did. I dont see how that proves anything. As for Korvalain indicating he might follow my vote - I have no idea why he's doing so. Maybe he agrees with my points, maybe he's fake-symping me.

Losing a leader makes it a lot harder for a faction to win, I agree. Doesnt mean it's impossible.

Read: Please go after Spite, not me.

And his other deflection is pushing Meanas about lone-wolfism. To be honest, this seems obtuse. There have always been lone wolves in D'reks games - these Chinese heroes games are set up beautifully for this sort of thing. The OP seems clear to me that they are probably an element to this game.

Okaros - who do you think might be a leader in this game, and why?

[Spite]

Well, at least some cooler heads have prevailed, I had expected a speed lynch after the last time I glanced at the thread. This should at least give us more information to work with in finding the rest of the leaders.

Don't have much more to say yet, but a couple of posts struck me so I will add more in a bit after a reread.

While I think the Okaros case is a decent one, at least they are posting now. I am very tempted to railroad one of the bottom couple. Either it will drive their participation up or we will find a coasting leader.

[Meanas]

@Sukul, if I had done a 360, I'd be exactly where I started.

My vote today is based off of Korvalain's perceived symping of Okaros. I don't really agree with other people like Tulas who think Okaros is just dodgy, in general, although that might be because I can see how it's possible to come up with the same kind of conclusions as Okaros (such as eliminating a faction before leaders). I don't agree with all of his points, but I see how he got to them.

Since that 'drunk' post by Korvalain is so hideously fake, and clearly was interjected at a lull period for what is almost certainly an attempt to keep suspicion on the supposedly symped target, my original notice begins to appear that Korvalain is now fake-symping Okaros.

Now there's STILL some evidence that Okaros is a leader, based a lot upon how the votes have panned out today on him vs Spite, but I'm so annoyed at Korvalain's fake drunk post that I really want to keep my vote on him. The other alternative is to vote a low poster, but Korv's barely got 12 posts as it is, so that's almost like two birds with one stone.

[Omtose]

sonafabitch

I was actually checking the thread form work, and was even about to post.... and then my phone battery died completely (which also got me in shit with relatives later on)

anyhow, I'm here-ish now, will definitely post some long-overdue content.

[Spite]

I have a few thoughts, but have to run. I will be back on in an hour or so.

For the moment, I think the Korv and Okaros voting pattern does make them look like a faction, with Okaros the more likely leader. I also find it odd that two days in a row Telas has suggested someone as a viable lynch target, without voting on them, only to have Ruse come on later and make a large case against them. Day one Telas postulated that Ano was actually a leader without voting on him, which was followed by a Ruse megapost naming Ano a leader. Today Telas names myself a viable lynch target while voting for Okaros and once again Ruse follows up with a megapost targeted at the lynch target Telas has named but not voted on. At this point I make Ruse a sub of Telas, doing the dirty work so Telas and their eight posts can lie low.

Vote Telas

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Meanas, on 11 February 2010 - 02:33 AM, said:

@Sukul, if I had done a 360, I'd be exactly where I started.

My vote today is based off of Korvalain's perceived symping of Okaros. I don't really agree with other people like Tulas who think Okaros is just dodgy, in general, although that might be because I can see how it's possible to come up with the same kind of conclusions as Okaros (such as eliminating a faction before leaders). I don't agree with all of his points, but I see how he got to them.

Since that 'drunk' post by Korvalain is so hideously fake, and clearly was interjected at a lull period for what is almost certainly an attempt to keep suspicion on the supposedly symped target, my original notice begins to appear that Korvalain is now fake-symping Okaros.

Now there's STILL some evidence that Okaros is a leader, based a lot upon how the votes have panned out today on him vs Spite, but I'm so annoyed at Korvalain's fake drunk post that I really want to keep my vote on him. The other alternative is to vote a low poster, but Korv's barely got 12 posts as it is, so that's almost like two birds with one stone.

My math skills are teh suxorz.

Anyway Meanas, it's fine to think Korv was faking drunk and whatnot and possibly he is faking other stuff aswell, but I still don't understand the change of votes - it's very out of the blue and your explanation is sort of ad hoc. First of all, why would he need to fake symp someone that clearly already is on the lynching block - I'm not saying he might not be - I'm just not satisfied with your explanation. Suddenly you decide he's fake symping - what, from that hideous drunk post? It doesn't make sense. Secondly why would you care if he's fake symping, as long as you want to lynch the player you think is a leader - in this case Okaros? You no longer think Okaros is a leader? If so, what made you think otherwise? Do you think Korv is a leader?

I smell rotten fish, and not of the expensive sort.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

I need to go now, but I will try to be on before the deadline, however I won't leave without voting:

vote Okaros

It's the best choice for a leader imo. I think Korv's drunk post is either truly drunk (possibly but not likely) or he's faking fake sympage.

[Tulas Shorn]

"faking fake sympage"


I will admit that I'm being a bit bulldoggish on Okaros. Just going with a gut feeling backed up with posts that just deepen my suspicions.

This isn't to say I won't look at other options, but for now I don't see anything convincing enough to change my vote.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 13 hours and 26 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Okaros, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Korvalain ( Meanas )
1 Vote for Telas ( Spite )
4 Votes for Okaros ( Tulas Shorn, Telas, Tennes, Sukul Ankhadu )
3 Votes for Spite ( Okaros, Liosan, Ruse )

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Omtose

[Spite]

Iwas going to post a vote update, but I see Path Shaper is on now.

I will be off and on for the next while. As I stated above, I still think there is a decent chance Okaros is a faction leader, so if none think examining the timing of Telas' and Ruse's posts is strong enough evidence of Telas being Ruse's leader than I am willing to change before logging off.

Edit: Xpost with PS

This post has been edited by Spite: 11 February 2010 - 04:02 AM

[Omtose]

Hmm

honestly, doing a re-read right now, and I can't hepl but notice that Meanas has been pretty much steering the game this way and that since that first vote on Anomandaris.

his reaction right now, combined with his gung-ho attitude towards "kill em all, and here are the backup lynch options" makes me think "scum". Since I know we don't have scum in a merc game, my next thought is "one-man faction". which would fit into all the taling about them he's done.

[Meanas]

Sukul, I don't know how much more I can explain without sounding redundant. My case was based on sympage, which I believe to now be fake.

Other evidence could lead me to believe that Okaros is still a leader, but a part of me is still annoyed with Korv. Why continue to steer onto Okaros? If Korv can help steer lynches by fake symping, how do I know he won't sink me or my leader tomorrow?

Ultimately, I think I have to revote to make the best decision for my leader. It's just more likely that Okaros is a leader than Korv is and while I despise the low posting, I don't know that now is the best time to make that case to vote.

Remove Vote
Vote Okaros

[Meanas]

Oh hi there, Omtose, nice cross post.

Not really sure what to think from a guy with less than 10 posts. I'm playing very actively because 1) I have not played lately and 2) It's my job to protect my leader.

[Omtose]

meh, I hate my life, and my phone which dies in the most inopportune time... I was scannning the thread round 5 PM tonight, but before I could catch up fully, the blasted thing died, lol

and, as I mention, I tend to be on when everyone else is off.

as for you, I'm still on my re-read, but the phrase "lone wolves" slips into your posts with an alarming frequency. and we all rememeber the old saying "he who talks the most about a role, usually has it"

[Omtose]

hmm, and... done

I see the merits in both cases, and although traditionally I would've went with Spite, I'm not convinced by the evidence connecting him to Ano.

Meanas is the one player making the most sense in this game. IGMEOY, but for now

vote Okaros

just to speed up the game a little bit.

[Spite]

In both the interests of self-preservation (as I am the second choice now) and since I still think there is a good chance Okaros is one of the leaders:

Remove vote

Vote Okaros

Scummy as hell I know, but this is a merc game and he is not on my team.

[Path-Shaper]

Day 2 is ended.
13 Players still alive: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Okaros, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Spite ( Okaros, Liosan, Ruse )
7 Votes for Okaros ( Tulas Shorn, Telas, Tennes, Sukul Ankhadu, Meanas, Omtose, Spite )

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain

---


After Liu Bei completed his conquest of Liu Biao's domain, he turned his eyes south to the rest of Jing province. Han Xuan, governor of Changsha just south of the river, immediately sent forth his top general Wei Yan with all the troops he could muster, but the army was decimated in a fiery ambush perfectly executed by Liu Bei's strategist, Xu Shu. With Liu Bei's troops overrunning his capital, Han Xuan fled south with his son, Han Hao, to the remote regions controlled by governor Jin Xuan. Han Xuan said, "Jin Xuan's Wu Ling has tens of thousands of troops, more than enough to hold off Liu Bei. If they receive us, we can kill the governor, take his land, and rebuild our strength until we're ready to stand against Liu Bei. That way we can recover the whole of Jing." Thus agreed, father and son presented themselves. But the governor, feigning illness, postponed their reception and kept them in a guesthouse.

Before long spies reported to the governor that Liu Bei was established in Changsha and had no intentions of marching to Wu Ling. Delighted with the news, Jin Xuan positioned armed men behind the wall hangings in the official hall and had the visitors shown in. The formalities concluded, the governor bade them be seated. It was bitter cold. Han Xuan, seeing no cushions on the floor, asked, "May we have mats?" Glaring at them, the governor said, "Your heads are going on a long journey. What do you want mats for?" Han Xuan was taken aback. Jin Xuan shouted, "Guards! What you waiting for?" The executioners rushed out and beheaded the men where they sat. The governor had their heads place in a wooden box, which he dispatched to Changsha. Liu Bei received the heads and sent to Wu Ling a thousand catties of fine silk as a token of appreciation. Thereafter, Liu Bei made no plans to conquer Wu Ling.

Okaros (alt146) is dead. He was the Warlord Han Xuan.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 11 February 2010 - 04:43 AM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 39 hours and 59 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes, Tulas Shorn



Night results coming to you NAOWZ.

[Spite]

And with that another faction leader (aka warlord) is down.

If everyone is still looking for leaders, I stand by my opinion that Telas is our next best bet, though we have plenty of time now to examine all possibilities.

[Path-Shaper]

Night results are now completed in the sending out thereof.