[Meanas]

I'd like to share some information with everyone.

Night 1, my action succeeded and my army increased in size.
Night 2, my action failed (against Liosan), AND I lost an army size.

So I feel pretty good saying that someone rank 2 hit me last night, and is still rank 2. Liosan is at least Rank 2 and may very well be Rank 3 at this point. I'm back to Rank 1, which makes me hate all of you who pick on talkative players.

So right now, Liosan is the most obvious threat to my leader for potentially being one of the highest ranked players in the game.

edit: it's possible I could have destroyed one of Liosan's armies, but I got my action in VERY late, almost at the buzzer.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 11 February 2010 - 04:15 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 28 hours and 25 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Telas ( Spite )
1 Vote for Meanas ( Tulas Shorn )
2 Votes for Liosan ( Meanas, Korvalain )
1 Vote for Spite ( Liosan )

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Omtose, Ruse, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes

[Ruse]

I am here- my posting will be spotty today- I will post when I can.

[Korbas]

Hmm, I find Spites point on Telas to be quite interesting.

I noticed the link between him and Ruse yesterday, pointed it out, and was pretty happy with the response I got-Telas didn't over react, so I filed them under "keep an eye on them".
I thought that Ruse was the leader, with Telas following him. Telas being the leader, sitting coasting and letting Ruse make the cases on his targets, does make sense though, since it would keep Telas safe, as if anyone took a fall, it would most likely be ruse. The one problem I have with this, is that it relies on Telas, the leader, knowing one of his subordinates, which isn't that common in merc games.

Meanas information is interesting. Ofc, it's possibly just deflecting or stalling, since we have no way of telling if he's telling the truth. Now, what he says makes sense, if he had information on someone he thinks isn't his team, and is high ranked, then revealing it makes sense. I do have one problem with the reveal, and so would like to ask:

Why did you choose so early in the day to reveal. Liosan has the most votes at this stage, so why didn't you try to get him lynched by normal means. After all, if you're telling the truth, revealing your army size has been reduced could just make you a target.

This makes me distrust the reveal more than if you'd waited until later, because it increases the suspicion that you're trying to either make yourself a target, or to make yourself seem less of a threat.

[Meanas]

Korbas, I am annoyed at the pace of the game. Day 3 and we're on page 8? I want to inject some life into this damn thing. I feel like one of the only people who has played at all.

Right now it feels like we need to just stop playing Mafia for a month so people actually miss it and play again.

Liosan, to me, is a scourge. He never posts, but clearly has lots of time to lurk and get in successful actions.

[Korbas]

Not sure I can buy that you'd reveal that information just to get the game going. Ok, the game is slow and I can see people getting frustrated, but potentially putting yourself at a disadvantage just to get it going? It makes much more sense just to wait and try and get him lynched without revealing and then reveal later if you really have to. Makes me a bit suspicious you've got another motive beyond what you're saying. Perhaps making yourself seem less of a threat(Oh, woe is me, who has been reduced to a lowly level...) since you starting getting a bit more heat. The timing is rather convinient.

It jars that the post before you revealed out of frustration you claimed that "Ultimately, I play for my leader to win", which seems a bit contradictory considering that your reveal does not seem to be the wisest tactical move, which doesn't fit well with the image of someone who is playing for the larger goal.

In your favour, you did attack Liosan earlier, so it doesn't seem to be an inconsistent choice of action for you.

I wouldn't mind a Liosan vote, he's not my leader, and isn't really contributing enough to get much of a read on. But I distrust your reveal, I think it's there for more reasons that you say, and I don't like that.

[Telas]

Spite, on 11 February 2010 - 03:15 AM, said:

I have a few thoughts, but have to run. I will be back on in an hour or so.

For the moment, I think the Korv and Okaros voting pattern does make them look like a faction, with Okaros the more likely leader. I also find it odd that two days in a row Telas has suggested someone as a viable lynch target, without voting on them, only to have Ruse come on later and make a large case against them. Day one Telas postulated that Ano was actually a leader without voting on him, which was followed by a Ruse megapost naming Ano a leader. Today Telas names myself a viable lynch target while voting for Okaros and once again Ruse follows up with a megapost targeted at the lynch target Telas has named but not voted on. At this point I make Ruse a sub of Telas, doing the dirty work so Telas and their eight posts can lie low.

Vote Telas

Ok i can see your point sort of, but the second one doesnt follow to me. Your saying because Ruse made a megapost on you when i voted for Okaros that he must be somehow following my orders by making a megapost on the other main candidate? that just seems like a bit of a stretch to me.

Right now im not sure who to go for, possibly Korv or Spite as im pretty sure theyre not on my team and im not getting that many leader vibes from other people right now.

[Meanas]

Korbas, on 11 February 2010 - 05:25 PM, said:

Not sure I can buy that you'd reveal that information just to get the game going. Ok, the game is slow and I can see people getting frustrated, but potentially putting yourself at a disadvantage just to get it going? It makes much more sense just to wait and try and get him lynched without revealing and then reveal later if you really have to. Makes me a bit suspicious you've got another motive beyond what you're saying. Perhaps making yourself seem less of a threat(Oh, woe is me, who has been reduced to a lowly level...) since you starting getting a bit more heat. The timing is rather convinient.

It jars that the post before you revealed out of frustration you claimed that "Ultimately, I play for my leader to win", which seems a bit contradictory considering that your reveal does not seem to be the wisest tactical move, which doesn't fit well with the image of someone who is playing for the larger goal.

In your favour, you did attack Liosan earlier, so it doesn't seem to be an inconsistent choice of action for you.

I wouldn't mind a Liosan vote, he's not my leader, and isn't really contributing enough to get much of a read on. But I distrust your reveal, I think it's there for more reasons that you say, and I don't like that.

Well, up until you showed up and criticized my release of information, you had the exact same number of posts as Liosan, so hopefully that tells you exactly what I think of your "mistrust."

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 27 hours and 6 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Telas ( Spite )
1 Vote for Meanas ( Tulas Shorn )
2 Votes for Liosan ( Meanas, Korvalain )
1 Vote for Spite ( Liosan )

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Omtose, Ruse, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tennes

[Ruse]

Wow- Day 3 and there are a group of people with 11 (Tennes) 9 (Telas) 8 (Korbas) and 6 (Liosan). There are 12 pages of posts, are you telling me that you can't Post once evert page...ridiculous.

I will be voting one of those 4 no doubt about it (Short of a M45 type melt down )

For now

vote Tennes

because even though he has the most posts of the bunch non of them are of substance, it looks like he is trying to pad w/o saying anything and He was the 3rd /4th person on the Okaros bandwagon and I can see Sukul, meanas or Omtose as being his subordinate.


Just want to throw out there that I still think Spite may be a leader with Tulas on his team.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 11 February 2010 - 06:04 PM

[Ruse]

As far as Spite's Accusation that I made cases on 2 of Telas' votes:

poppycock!

He voted on Okaros and I made a case on... Spite? huh? that doesn't make sense.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

I approve of the idea to go after the low posters due to them likely being leaders. Maybe not all of them are, some people are simply lazy mafia players sometimes, but I don't think it should be allowed to post almost no posts, especially if they're not contributing. Although I don't completely trust Meanas reveal either, I don't mind voting for Liosan. What's left is to consider either of two possibilities - that Meanas is pointing at Liosan as a diversion or because he actually have information. It's one of those tricky mafia decisions.

[Ruse]

EDIT: ok, its all bold but i was pointing out the part where promotions are announced on thread.

From the OP bold is mine: there is an easy way to test of Meanas is telling the truth. If Liosan is at rank 3 and succeeds tonight, it will be announced on thread that someone has received a promotion. Granted it could be someone else, but Meanas has just givin us a viable lynch target if a promotion is announced. Pretty safe to say, that Liosan is not Meanas' leader

D, on 05 December 2009 - 04:02 AM, said:

Game Specifics Rules and Mechanics:
[size="3"]Ranks:

Every few intervals of army size has different ranks associated with it. All promotions are announced on thread with the officer's name and new rank (but not the army name or faction, no worries). There are no demotions even if you lose army size.

Faction Leaders:
1-3.......... Warlord
4-6.......... Governor
7-9.......... Duke
10-12...... King
13+......... Emperor

Offensive Subordinates:
1-3.......... Warrior
4-6.......... Captain
7-9.......... Imperial Corps Commander
10-12...... General (repeats every 3 - at 13, 16, 19, etc)

Defensive Subordinates:
1-3.......... Guard
4-6.......... Garrison Commander
7-9.......... District Commander
10-12...... Prefect (repeats every 3)

[u]Tactical Subordinates:
1-3.......... Scholar
4-6.......... Advisor
7-9.......... Director
10-12...... Minister (repeats every 3)

This post has been edited by Ruse: 11 February 2010 - 06:20 PM

[Ruse]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:

I approve of the idea to go after the low posters due to them likely being leaders. Maybe not all of them are, some people are simply lazy mafia players sometimes, but I don't think it should be allowed to post almost no posts, especially if they're not contributing. Although I don't completely trust Meanas reveal either, I don't mind voting for Liosan. What's left is to consider either of two possibilities - that Meanas is pointing at Liosan as a diversion or because he actually have information. It's one of those tricky mafia decisions.

Well it's pretty clear that a Liosan lynch is doubly helpful for Meanas, 1 it gets rid of a possible leader, and it gets rid of someone who he knows is more powerful than him. Each faction needs to determine if that's beneficial for them... knowing that it's also doubly helpful for Meanas

[Korbas]

Meanas, on 11 February 2010 - 05:38 PM, said:

Korbas, on 11 February 2010 - 05:25 PM, said:

Not sure I can buy that you'd reveal that information just to get the game going. Ok, the game is slow and I can see people getting frustrated, but potentially putting yourself at a disadvantage just to get it going? It makes much more sense just to wait and try and get him lynched without revealing and then reveal later if you really have to. Makes me a bit suspicious you've got another motive beyond what you're saying. Perhaps making yourself seem less of a threat(Oh, woe is me, who has been reduced to a lowly level...) since you starting getting a bit more heat. The timing is rather convinient.

It jars that the post before you revealed out of frustration you claimed that "Ultimately, I play for my leader to win", which seems a bit contradictory considering that your reveal does not seem to be the wisest tactical move, which doesn't fit well with the image of someone who is playing for the larger goal.

In your favour, you did attack Liosan earlier, so it doesn't seem to be an inconsistent choice of action for you.

I wouldn't mind a Liosan vote, he's not my leader, and isn't really contributing enough to get much of a read on. But I distrust your reveal, I think it's there for more reasons that you say, and I don't like that.

Well, up until you showed up and criticized my release of information, you had the exact same number of posts as Liosan, so hopefully that tells you exactly what I think of your "mistrust."

Still doesn't adress my concerns, attacking my post count isn't the same as offering an explanation.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Ruse, on 11 February 2010 - 06:23 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 11 February 2010 - 06:16 PM, said:

I approve of the idea to go after the low posters due to them likely being leaders. Maybe not all of them are, some people are simply lazy mafia players sometimes, but I don't think it should be allowed to post almost no posts, especially if they're not contributing. Although I don't completely trust Meanas reveal either, I don't mind voting for Liosan. What's left is to consider either of two possibilities - that Meanas is pointing at Liosan as a diversion or because he actually have information. It's one of those tricky mafia decisions.

Well it's pretty clear that a Liosan lynch is doubly helpful for Meanas, 1 it gets rid of a possible leader, and it gets rid of someone who he knows is more powerful than him. Each faction needs to determine if that's beneficial for them... knowing that it's also doubly helpful for Meanas

You know what they say - sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend. The only one it's not beneficial for is Liosan's faction. In fact...

vote Liosan

[Meanas]

Ruse, on 11 February 2010 - 06:23 PM, said:

Well it's pretty clear that a Liosan lynch is doubly helpful for Meanas, 1 it gets rid of a possible leader, and it gets rid of someone who he knows is more powerful than him. Each faction needs to determine if that's beneficial for them... knowing that it's also doubly helpful for Meanas

It's safe to say that anybody sitting at Rank 3 is going to pretty much be unstoppable right now and should easily waltz up the promotion chain.

However, it kind of sounds like you're advocating a scenario in which Liosan is left alive simply for us to see if he promotes or not. We don't know that someone else won't try to hit Liosan to check my theory, or because that person is Rank 3 and wants to hit a powerful enemy, or whatever.

[Ruse]

I'd also like to point out that Neither Korbas or Gay lord have thrown a vote yet. Middle-of-the-road much?

[Ruse]

Meanas, on 11 February 2010 - 06:30 PM, said:

Ruse, on 11 February 2010 - 06:23 PM, said:

Well it's pretty clear that a Liosan lynch is doubly helpful for Meanas, 1 it gets rid of a possible leader, and it gets rid of someone who he knows is more powerful than him. Each faction needs to determine if that's beneficial for them... knowing that it's also doubly helpful for Meanas

It's safe to say that anybody sitting at Rank 3 is going to pretty much be unstoppable right now and should easily waltz up the promotion chain.

However, it kind of sounds like you're advocating a scenario in which Liosan is left alive simply for us to see if he promotes or not. We don't know that someone else won't try to hit Liosan to check my theory, or because that person is Rank 3 and wants to hit a powerful enemy, or whatever.

Sounds similar to your theory of leaving Spite around just because he is a suspected follower of Anomander.. no?

I would go with a Liosan Lynch, he has done absolutely squat for this game, not like it would be a big loss... i am however hesitant to be helpful to the person who is steering the game and has double the posts of the closest person on the list.

[Ruse]

Korbas, on 11 February 2010 - 06:26 PM, said:

Meanas, on 11 February 2010 - 05:38 PM, said:

Korbas, on 11 February 2010 - 05:25 PM, said:

Not sure I can buy that you'd reveal that information just to get the game going. Ok, the game is slow and I can see people getting frustrated, but potentially putting yourself at a disadvantage just to get it going? It makes much more sense just to wait and try and get him lynched without revealing and then reveal later if you really have to. Makes me a bit suspicious you've got another motive beyond what you're saying. Perhaps making yourself seem less of a threat(Oh, woe is me, who has been reduced to a lowly level...) since you starting getting a bit more heat. The timing is rather convinient.

It jars that the post before you revealed out of frustration you claimed that "Ultimately, I play for my leader to win", which seems a bit contradictory considering that your reveal does not seem to be the wisest tactical move, which doesn't fit well with the image of someone who is playing for the larger goal.

In your favour, you did attack Liosan earlier, so it doesn't seem to be an inconsistent choice of action for you.

I wouldn't mind a Liosan vote, he's not my leader, and isn't really contributing enough to get much of a read on. But I distrust your reveal, I think it's there for more reasons that you say, and I don't like that.

Well, up until you showed up and criticized my release of information, you had the exact same number of posts as Liosan, so hopefully that tells you exactly what I think of your "mistrust."

Still doesn't adress my concerns, attacking my post count isn't the same as offering an explanation.

This is a good point, his rebuttal is invalid.. but what do you want him to say? "You're right I am a Liar!!" or "Nuh-uh, I am telling the truth!!" Whatever he says will be met with Skepticism, it's your job to figure out, based on his play, if you believe it or not.