[worry]

It's popped into my head before, but I do think he's been imprisoned way longer than the city's existed. It's tempting but we can't latch on every time someone gets called a tyrant. It's a big world full of them.

[Siergiej]

Wasn't Anomander Rake said to heave been laughing his ass off during his read of the scroll? The leader of ravens (don't know her english name, sry) states that this story is full of bullshit, right?

And Baruk doubts Rake would be enough to stop the tyrant. Makes no sense for 2 reasons. First - Rake already killed Draconus once. Second - Baruk would know, that Draconus coming back would mean Rake going down, so his help during the confrontation with tyrant would be out of question anyway.

[The Seguleh 46th]

Gonna add my almost assuredly soon to be wrong theory to the mix and suggest that maybe the Tyrant is a Seguleh of old? The Seguleh we see on screen now just don't seem to be the types to take orders very well from any but their own in the hiearchy they have set for themselves as a society. But they also appear to be human (my own assumption, not a stated fact), so it wouldn't be crazy to think that they are immune to ambition as well. Climbing the ranks via the sword is also ambition in its own right.....

That all been said, i doubt its credible at all, but since we have really nothing but our own imaginations at this point regarding this dreaded potential reemergence of the Darujhistan Tyrant, why not?

[ShadowRaven]

Just to add to the Draconus theory. In GotM when Paran ends up inside Dragnipur he talks to someone before he tries to release the hounds (that person doesn't give his name but it is Draconus right?). The quote is from p. 337 of the GotM Google books version (link):

"He hissed in frustration as he scrambled along opposite the dark hole, wondering what to do next. Even if he managed to break a chain, he had no idea which ones belonged to the Hounds. As for the others... Anomander Rake seemed a creature of clear - if cold - justice. To break a chain could unleash ancient horrors upon the realms of the living. Even the stranger he'd spoken with could once have been a Tyrant, a horrible dominator."


Once again, could be a GotMism, or Paran could be thinking of Jaghut Tyrants, but seems way too convenient considering this is SE we are talking about.

[Theotendo]

Pickled Seguleh would only be of any use if there were souls to shift into them. And from what I gather, any old soul won't do. Maybe they were meant to serve as future repositories for the Tyrant when he came back. The tyrant, a disembodied shade hidden somewhere beneath the city, maybe his bindings are failing. Or perhaps Humble Measure (and seriously, what kind of tit calls himself that?) is working through those bindings with Otataral. If that's the case, the cabal would be unlikely to stop him.

I like conjecture. It tickles me.

[worry]

I still don't think it's Draconus, but it could be that the Tyrant is somebody inside Dragnipur. He probably didn't die of natural causes, after all. But a Draconus who's apparently mellowed out make for a good villain in some future Darujhistan novel.

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

It doesn't make sense for the Tyrant to be someone inside Dragnipur, because that seems to ignore the entire Humble Measure plotline. Unless what he found in the caves under the city was a way to remove someone from Dragnipur while they are still chained?

[worry]

Oh yah, good point. I was thinking more along the lines of the Torrud Cabal being so nervous about the imminent return. I forgot if they have a reason, so why are they so sure it's happening?

[GeneralGrind]

The old, prophesied Tyrant is obviously Donkey.

[Siergiej]

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Unless what he found in the caves under the city was a way to remove someone from Dragnipur while they are still chained?

Yep. A fucking nuke!

This post has been edited by Siergiej: 08 September 2010 - 10:43 PM

[D'ivers Leopard Sith]

The pickled Seguleh might be possible bodies waiting to be possessed by this Tyrant?

[The Seguleh 46th]

Time for another silly theory (i just love throwing them out there now!). Maybe the Tyrant isn't all that bad? I mean, we don't know much of Darujhistan's ancient history, other than the fact stated that it was "built on a rumor". Yet it seems to always be stated as well it being one of the greatest cities on the planet. Thriving metropolis with an abundance of culture, both eloquent and ugly, as with all cities. Obviously being named a Tyrant (especially in capital letters...hehe) never seems to bode well, but maybe it was simply a case of a dictator doing exactly that....dictating. Heck, parents in general are all "tyrants" in their own right. A bunch of mages then gets together and says "fuck this, i wanna be free to screw up on my own", and eventual overthrow, imprison, destroy corporeal flesh, or whatever actually happens then proceeds to, well, happen. No real good or wicked sides of the argument, just a huge family spat? Or not, as the relation of this Tyrant legend and the Cabal has eerie similarities to the Kallor story of Elder times and his rebelling High Mage cadre, and we all know how that turned out! Yay, Crippled God! Smash some continents! Wheeeeee!

Anyways, i hope i'm wrong. The Tyrant being some megalomaniac, supercharged Ascendent would be way cooler (action-wise) than my theory. But the Cabal turning out to be a bunch of punk kids from way back in the day would be kinda sweet as well, with the Tyrant being the much-despised (and desposed) parent who made Darujhistan the beauty that it seems to be!

This post has been edited by The Seguleh 46th: 14 September 2010 - 06:58 PM

[Sinisdar Toste]

maybe the tyrant and the cabal had something like a 'ten who were taken' deal going on, and so the cabal rebelled and kicked the Tyrant to the curb

[D'ivers Leopard Sith]

Sinisdar Toste, on 13 August 2010 - 03:17 PM, said:

Well at that point I think rhulad was dead, so I think the throne was up for grabs. Also thrones can and do exist in the mortal realm: throne of shadow anyone? The first throne?

I reread The Bonehunters and the conversation between Cotillion and the three imprisoned dragons is quite enlightening. Cotillion managed to squeeze out the fact that the warren/throne of CG is in one of the shards of Kurald Emurahln. I think we get confirmation of this later on when Not-Apsalar and her two skeleton friends were going through Emurahln on her night hunt one of them mentioned a throne and they started plotting and going on about how the creature on that throne could be easily disposed of because it was weak and broken or some such nonsense.
Although honestly this doesn't really help in the identity of the Tyrant, oh well.

[The Seguleh 46th]

Sinisdar Toste, on 14 September 2010 - 09:12 PM, said:

maybe the tyrant and the cabal had something like a 'ten who were taken' deal going on, and so the cabal rebelled and kicked the Tyrant to the curb

I like this alot! With the Tyrant in the role of the Dominator, i assume? Wonder who Limper would be? Vorcan could be Lady, but Soulcatcher seems to suit her better! Alas....i digress.......sigh.....

[The Seguleh 46th]

Maybe the possibility of a Kina type thing going on as well regarding the Tyrant? Would go into it more, but IIRC, i think a few forum members are reading the Black Company series right now, so don't wanna spoil.

[Annomandaris purake]

Kallor can't be the tyrant because in the bonehunters the undead seguleh says to cutter "do the children of the tyrant still rule darujhistan?" and in a pov from kallor ( can't remember Which book) he was remembering when his lovers killed them selves, he mentioned that he killed any children of his so he doesn't have a rival.

[Roldom]

just reading GoTM and saw this conv between mammot and crokus

'Ah.' Mammot glanced at his desk, raising an eyebrow at Moby, who had opened an inkwell and was drinking from it. 'The history of Darujhistan,' he said. 'I am just beginning the fifth volume, which opens with the reign of Ektalm, second to last of the Tyrant Kings.'
Crokus blinked. 'Who?'
Smiling, Marnmot sipped his tea. 'Usurper of Letastte and succeeded by his daughter, Sandenay, who brought on the Rising Time and with it the end of the age of tyrants.'

not much info but maybe gives us the tyrants name, also has the tyrant defintly been called a he and not a she?

[Tattersail_]

that is a good find Roldom!

[HoosierDaddy]

Roldom, on 06 October 2010 - 06:40 PM, said:

just reading GoTM and saw this conv between mammot and crokus

'Ah.' Mammot glanced at his desk, raising an eyebrow at Moby, who had opened an inkwell and was drinking from it. 'The history of Darujhistan,' he said. 'I am just beginning the fifth volume, which opens with the reign of Ektalm, second to last of the Tyrant Kings.'
Crokus blinked. 'Who?'
Smiling, Marnmot sipped his tea. 'Usurper of Letastte and succeeded by his daughter, Sandenay, who brought on the Rising Time and with it the end of the age of tyrants.'

not much info but maybe gives us the tyrants name, also has the tyrant defintly been called a he and not a she?

This points to the lineage of Tyrant Kings/Queens. Note the words, "end of the age of tyrants," and not "end of the age of the Tyrant." We have other proof for the lineage of the Tyrant Kings outside of this, including coinage if I remember correctly. If I had to guess, this is simply a line of delineation, and does not point towards what empowered the original and important Tyrant or who could/would possibly be the new Tyrant.