HoosierDaddy, on Jun 4 2009, 01:47 AM, said:
No, I am simply arguing that a Jedi who has fallen to the dark-side is still a Jedi. See: Skywalker, Anakin. Sith Lord, redeemed at the Battle of the Second Death Star.
A force-user that learned as a Jedi is always a Jedi, until the day he dies. A Sith is simply a Jedi who has not yet turned or turned back.
Ah, but that is not the point you originally made. You said
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Technically, Sith are Jedi. They are just Dark Jedi.
These are different arguments. A darkside user is not automatically a Sith, although the two often go hand in hand. Like being Jedi, being Sith involves membership in an organization, and following a set of beliefs and code of conduct.
Anakin is a gray area. He was still technically a Jedi, although he could be considered an unwitting Sith mole. During this period of his life, you could still call him Jedi, as he thought he was still Jedi, jedi still accepted him as such, and on some level he thought he was still doing the right thing. Once he became Vader though, he was Sith, not Jedi. You could make the argument that when he turned back and saved Luke and killed the Emperor, he had repudiated the Sith and was living up to Jedi standards, and so for a short while was Jedi again before he died. When he was running around blowing up planets and force choking people though, he was no longer Jedi.
edit: If HD went to bed before me, have I filibustered my way in to winning the debate?
This post has been edited by Raymond Luxury Yacht: 04 June 2009 - 09:30 AM