[Morgoth]

Aptorian, on May 24 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

Illuyankas, on May 23 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

Ha ha ha FUCK YOU.

1. You can like scifi and dislike a scifi film
2. You hardly have to be intelligent to get some of the messages the Matrix portrays, you just need a working pair of eyes
3. Shitty rebuttal for a crappy argument (no-one saw Black Mask and I don't care if you did)
4. OH NO HE INSULTED MY FAVOURITE HE MUST BE APPEALING TO THE COOL CROWD FOR HATING ON WHAT'S POPULAR

AND 5. FUCK. ING. FIVE. "You didn't get it that's why you didn't like it hurf durf" THIS PISSES ME OFF MORE THAN ALMOST ANYTHING IN THE WORLD AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK IF YOU MEAN IT AS A JOKE JUST CONSIDERING IT AS A REPLY HAS TRIGGERED SO MANY RED FLAGS I WANT YOU TO IMPALE YOURSELF ON A CACTUS

GUESS WHAT? I'M PRETTY FUCKING SURE TELLING HIM HE'S NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND A MOVIE WHERE ONE OF THE LARGER PLOT HOLES COULD BE FIXED BY SWITCHING HUMANS WITH COWS IS BEING A MASSIVE wait, I promised Hetan I wouldn't use that word FUCKING BITCH that'll do

In conclusion, using 'you don't get it' is an instant sign of your irrevocable mental atrophy, and I want you to fuck off and die in as bloody and viseral a fashion as possible. If it is a joke I'll apologise for the insults and calls for suicide but never ever fucking use that immature retarded argument again.

You obviously don't get that film, Illuyankas.

He's just not intelligent enough to understand the deeper philosophy behind it.

[HoosierDaddy]

Morgoth, on May 24 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

Aptorian, on May 24 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

Illuyankas, on May 23 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

Ha ha ha FUCK YOU.

1. You can like scifi and dislike a scifi film
2. You hardly have to be intelligent to get some of the messages the Matrix portrays, you just need a working pair of eyes
3. Shitty rebuttal for a crappy argument (no-one saw Black Mask and I don't care if you did)
4. OH NO HE INSULTED MY FAVOURITE HE MUST BE APPEALING TO THE COOL CROWD FOR HATING ON WHAT'S POPULAR

AND 5. FUCK. ING. FIVE. "You didn't get it that's why you didn't like it hurf durf" THIS PISSES ME OFF MORE THAN ALMOST ANYTHING IN THE WORLD AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK IF YOU MEAN IT AS A JOKE JUST CONSIDERING IT AS A REPLY HAS TRIGGERED SO MANY RED FLAGS I WANT YOU TO IMPALE YOURSELF ON A CACTUS

GUESS WHAT? I'M PRETTY FUCKING SURE TELLING HIM HE'S NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND A MOVIE WHERE ONE OF THE LARGER PLOT HOLES COULD BE FIXED BY SWITCHING HUMANS WITH COWS IS BEING A MASSIVE wait, I promised Hetan I wouldn't use that word FUCKING BITCH that'll do

In conclusion, using 'you don't get it' is an instant sign of your irrevocable mental atrophy, and I want you to fuck off and die in as bloody and viseral a fashion as possible. If it is a joke I'll apologise for the insults and calls for suicide but never ever fucking use that immature retarded argument again.

You obviously don't get that film, Illuyankas.

He's just not intelligent enough to understand the deeper philosophy behind it.

The subtle nuances that hint at the real message are, in reality, very tough to spot.

[Yellow]

HoosierDaddy, on May 24 2009, 08:38 AM, said:

Morgoth, on May 24 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

Aptorian, on May 24 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

Illuyankas, on May 23 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

Ha ha ha FUCK YOU.

1. You can like scifi and dislike a scifi film
2. You hardly have to be intelligent to get some of the messages the Matrix portrays, you just need a working pair of eyes
3. Shitty rebuttal for a crappy argument (no-one saw Black Mask and I don't care if you did)
4. OH NO HE INSULTED MY FAVOURITE HE MUST BE APPEALING TO THE COOL CROWD FOR HATING ON WHAT'S POPULAR

AND 5. FUCK. ING. FIVE. "You didn't get it that's why you didn't like it hurf durf" THIS PISSES ME OFF MORE THAN ALMOST ANYTHING IN THE WORLD AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK IF YOU MEAN IT AS A JOKE JUST CONSIDERING IT AS A REPLY HAS TRIGGERED SO MANY RED FLAGS I WANT YOU TO IMPALE YOURSELF ON A CACTUS

GUESS WHAT? I'M PRETTY FUCKING SURE TELLING HIM HE'S NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND A MOVIE WHERE ONE OF THE LARGER PLOT HOLES COULD BE FIXED BY SWITCHING HUMANS WITH COWS IS BEING A MASSIVE wait, I promised Hetan I wouldn't use that word FUCKING BITCH that'll do

In conclusion, using 'you don't get it' is an instant sign of your irrevocable mental atrophy, and I want you to fuck off and die in as bloody and viseral a fashion as possible. If it is a joke I'll apologise for the insults and calls for suicide but never ever fucking use that immature retarded argument again.

You obviously don't get that film, Illuyankas.

He's just not intelligent enough to understand the deeper philosophy behind it.

The subtle nuances that hint at the real message are, in reality, very tough to spot.

I bet I could eat a hundred films.

[Assail]

Illuyankas, on May 23 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

Gem Windcaster, on May 23 2009, 08:39 PM, said:

Tuberski, on May 20 2009, 04:42 AM, said:

I don't get it the love for the Matrix, horrible story, horrible acting, special effects that were done 3 years earlier in Hong Kong. "Black Mask"

Fixed.
Also: DIE!

Being a die hard matrix fanatic (that's right, a fanatic, not just a fan) I feel physically ill whenever people dare to speak such things. I can only conclude that you 1) Don't like sci-fi 2) Don't appreciate intelligent movie making 3)Hate all movies that ever copied a special effect (which basically means every movie that was ever made). 4) You think you are being cool for dissing the Matrix. But the most probable explanation is: 5) You didn't get the movie. It's not like you're the only one that didn't get it, but it's still a depressing intellectual disaster to watch..

Ha ha ha FUCK YOU.

1. You can like scifi and dislike a scifi film
2. You hardly have to be intelligent to get some of the messages the Matrix portrays, you just need a working pair of eyes
3. Shitty rebuttal for a crappy argument (no-one saw Black Mask and I don't care if you did)
4. OH NO HE INSULTED MY FAVOURITE HE MUST BE APPEALING TO THE COOL CROWD FOR HATING ON WHAT'S POPULAR

AND 5. FUCK. ING. FIVE. "You didn't get it that's why you didn't like it hurf durf" THIS PISSES ME OFF MORE THAN ALMOST ANYTHING IN THE WORLD AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK IF YOU MEAN IT AS A JOKE JUST CONSIDERING IT AS A REPLY HAS TRIGGERED SO MANY RED FLAGS I WANT YOU TO IMPALE YOURSELF ON A CACTUS

GUESS WHAT? I'M PRETTY FUCKING SURE TELLING HIM HE'S NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND A MOVIE WHERE ONE OF THE LARGER PLOT HOLES COULD BE FIXED BY SWITCHING HUMANS WITH COWS IS BEING A MASSIVE wait, I promised Hetan I wouldn't use that word FUCKING BITCH that'll do

In conclusion, using 'you don't get it' is an instant sign of your irrevocable mental atrophy, and I want you to fuck off and die in as bloody and viseral a fashion as possible. If it is a joke I'll apologise for the insults and calls for suicide but never ever fucking use that immature retarded argument again.

So ignorant. Obviously you fail to comprehend. 

[KeithF]

Re: the Matrix, maybe the people who believe they know the deeper meaning of the film could post what they think it is? It would be more productive than just telling people they don't understand (which is giving me flashbacks to arguments I've had about religion), and I personally would be interested in hearing it.

Khellendros, on May 23 2009, 10:55 PM, said:

Also (don't hit me), I thought Orlando Bloom was good in this film. Think about it, he plays a handsome yet weedy guy - he was born to play that type of role!

Agreed. I was delighted by how big a wimp he was in Troy, mainly because I was imagining the faces of all the Legolas fangirls who would be expecting him to be all cool. Although it would have been amusing to see this happen.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Yellow, on May 24 2009, 01:03 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on May 24 2009, 08:38 AM, said:

Morgoth, on May 24 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

Aptorian, on May 24 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

Illuyankas, on May 23 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

Ha ha ha FUCK YOU.

1. You can like scifi and dislike a scifi film
2. You hardly have to be intelligent to get some of the messages the Matrix portrays, you just need a working pair of eyes
3. Shitty rebuttal for a crappy argument (no-one saw Black Mask and I don't care if you did)
4. OH NO HE INSULTED MY FAVOURITE HE MUST BE APPEALING TO THE COOL CROWD FOR HATING ON WHAT'S POPULAR

AND 5. FUCK. ING. FIVE. "You didn't get it that's why you didn't like it hurf durf" THIS PISSES ME OFF MORE THAN ALMOST ANYTHING IN THE WORLD AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK IF YOU MEAN IT AS A JOKE JUST CONSIDERING IT AS A REPLY HAS TRIGGERED SO MANY RED FLAGS I WANT YOU TO IMPALE YOURSELF ON A CACTUS

GUESS WHAT? I'M PRETTY FUCKING SURE TELLING HIM HE'S NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND A MOVIE WHERE ONE OF THE LARGER PLOT HOLES COULD BE FIXED BY SWITCHING HUMANS WITH COWS IS BEING A MASSIVE wait, I promised Hetan I wouldn't use that word FUCKING BITCH that'll do

In conclusion, using 'you don't get it' is an instant sign of your irrevocable mental atrophy, and I want you to fuck off and die in as bloody and viseral a fashion as possible. If it is a joke I'll apologise for the insults and calls for suicide but never ever fucking use that immature retarded argument again.

You obviously don't get that film, Illuyankas.

He's just not intelligent enough to understand the deeper philosophy behind it.

The subtle nuances that hint at the real message are, in reality, very tough to spot.

I bet I could eat a hundred films.

Well played sir. Impeccable timing.

Regarding the deeper meaning of the matrix:

Spoiler

Neo is Jesus

. Woah.

Now Illy can understand like the rest of us intelligent people.

This post has been edited by Raymond Luxury Yacht: 24 May 2009 - 10:38 AM

[Aptorian]

Yellow, on May 24 2009, 10:03 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on May 24 2009, 08:38 AM, said:

Morgoth, on May 24 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

Aptorian, on May 24 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

Illuyankas, on May 23 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

Ha ha ha FUCK YOU.

1. You can like scifi and dislike a scifi film
2. You hardly have to be intelligent to get some of the messages the Matrix portrays, you just need a working pair of eyes
3. Shitty rebuttal for a crappy argument (no-one saw Black Mask and I don't care if you did)
4. OH NO HE INSULTED MY FAVOURITE HE MUST BE APPEALING TO THE COOL CROWD FOR HATING ON WHAT'S POPULAR

AND 5. FUCK. ING. FIVE. "You didn't get it that's why you didn't like it hurf durf" THIS PISSES ME OFF MORE THAN ALMOST ANYTHING IN THE WORLD AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK IF YOU MEAN IT AS A JOKE JUST CONSIDERING IT AS A REPLY HAS TRIGGERED SO MANY RED FLAGS I WANT YOU TO IMPALE YOURSELF ON A CACTUS

GUESS WHAT? I'M PRETTY FUCKING SURE TELLING HIM HE'S NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND A MOVIE WHERE ONE OF THE LARGER PLOT HOLES COULD BE FIXED BY SWITCHING HUMANS WITH COWS IS BEING A MASSIVE wait, I promised Hetan I wouldn't use that word FUCKING BITCH that'll do

In conclusion, using 'you don't get it' is an instant sign of your irrevocable mental atrophy, and I want you to fuck off and die in as bloody and viseral a fashion as possible. If it is a joke I'll apologise for the insults and calls for suicide but never ever fucking use that immature retarded argument again.

You obviously don't get that film, Illuyankas.

He's just not intelligent enough to understand the deeper philosophy behind it.

The subtle nuances that hint at the real message are, in reality, very tough to spot.

I bet I could eat a hundred films.

Well, I certainly applaud anyone wanting to eat 100 films, but take it from this old film muncher, I've spent my entire adult life eating at Cinemas, and a programme like this one can do more harm than good.

If you only eat one type of medias for one part of your body (and that's all a film is going to do for you), you're setting yourself up for injuries down the road. I've seen it a hundred times.

Eating films basically only train the eyes and to some extent, the mind. What you really want to do is train your entire media system, all the major entertainment groups (eyes, ears, nose, mouth and hands) at the same time, over the course of an intense night of entertainment. So, you will need to add music, food and porn mags to your programme. Ask for the "Go Big" program.

I'm proud of you guys wanting to do this. All thsee kinds of entertainment! Falling in love with eating films, music, etc., is one of the greatest things you can do for yourself. And you WILL fall in love with it if you can just force yourself to stick with it a year or two and experience the amazing progress you'll make.

But do it right, okay?

My advice, find any Shopping Center near you, with qualified film buffs who will design your entertainment menu for you (especially in the begining, until you get the hang of it yourself) and guide you in your quest for entertainment fullfillness. Three to five films, CDs and magazines a day, three days a week, is all you'll ever need to do (I refuse to believe anyone is so busy that he or she cannot make time for that, especially considering how important it is).

And don't worry about being embarrassed or not being out of shape the first time you walk into a Film or Music store. You have to start somewhere and almost every one of us were there ourselves at one time. So no one will say anything to you and very, very quickly you will progress way beyond that stage anyway.

Now get out there and get entertained!

[Grief]

This thread just got de-railed into the win sector.

Massive Vrep to apt for digging up and using the correct response.

[Grief]

Apt, if you've got that pic, can you either PM, or post again in AWFAP, it's too small in gallery, want to save full sized version to comp

[Gem Windcaster]

Apt, you know I love you right? And Morgy and HD, that's full of win (I think I just peed a little in my pants).

Now to everyone screaming at me:
First of all, my post wasn't intended to insult in any more degree than the poster's post which I was commenting on.
Second of all, I don't think people are stupid if they don't get the matrix, but I do reserve the right to tell people I don't get why they don't get it, especially when they say 'haha you love the matrix, something must be wrong with you', or something to that effect.

Thirdly, you can to some extent just watch any movie and date it 'pre matrix' or 'post matrix' just on the way they use the special effects and what not. I've heard people that study for positions in the film industry say that the matrix has changed the way people see movies. There are several parts of the making of the Matrix that by themselves not is new, but had never been put together like that before. Just counting the philosophical references in the movie, it's a unique piece (there's a lot). Other things that are unique is the cinematic storytelling, the way they use the camera, etc. etc. Some of it actually never had been done before, not even in Hongkong.

And yes, I think I am allowed to mock people a little when they so obviously have no clue what I am talking about when I say that the movie has had more effect on me on a personal level than all the other movies I've seen combined.

And you don't really have to take me that seriously - "ZOMG she said I was stupiiiiid Buhaaaaa!" I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you?! Pardon my language.

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 24 May 2009 - 11:53 AM

[Illuyankas]

MORE BULLET POINTS YAY

1. So you think saying 'You just don't get it' is a valid argument? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
2. No-one's said that. And 'you don't get it' coupled with ' my intellectual self is screaming' equals 'I get it and am intellectual, and you don't and therefore must not be intellectual, eg you must be stupid'.
3. Since when is bullet time abuse anything but heavily overused? As far as philosophy goes, what you see as unique I see as blatant and hamhanded. Individual tastes, you know? Nothing to say anyone watching the film who didn't like it doesn't understand the subtleties in there - they can perceive and comprehend AND STILL DISLIKE
4. This would make sense if anything Tuberski had said even vaguely referenced you.
5. Like I said, trying to use 'you don't get it' as a reason for someone's opinion jarring with yours is lazy, disrespectful, insulting and damn right degrading on your part. It says "I am so superior I don't even need to listen to you, since anyone who doesn't like what I like is too stupid to get it." I really don't care if you meant it very seriously or not, it's the fact you used it that set me off. Please don't use it again. Not if you want people to respect your opinion.
6. As for the rest of you guys, fuck you and OK that was pretty funny.

[Gem Windcaster]

Cheer up Illy, you're kind of scaring me here.

Illuyankas, on May 24 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

MORE BULLET POINTS YAY

1. So you think saying 'You just don't get it' is a valid argument? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Not really, no. I didn't mean to say that it is.

Illuyankas, on May 24 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

2. No-one's said that. And 'you don't get it' coupled with ' my intellectual self is screaming' equals 'I get it and am intellectual, and you don't and therefore must not be intellectual, eg you must be stupid'.

Saying "I don't get why you love the Matrix" and saying "I don't get why you don't get the matrix" is basically the same sentence structure and contains the same meaning. I think it's cute that you give more credit to my version than Tuberski's version, but I honestly didn't mean to say he was stupid for not getting the matrix - I was mocking him for the way he posted that sentiment. I thought that was clear, but apparently it isn't.

Illuyankas, on May 24 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

3. Since when is bullet time abuse anything but heavily overused? As far as philosophy goes, what you see as unique I see as blatant and hamhanded. Individual tastes, you know? Nothing to say anyone watching the film who didn't like it doesn't understand the subtleties in there - they can perceive and comprehend AND STILL DISLIKE

Sure, buddy, but it wasn't you that I responded too. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as long as they don't call me stupid for liking the movie. You'd think you would agree with that after the little speech you gave me.

Illuyankas, on May 24 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

4. This would make sense if anything Tuberski had said even vaguely referenced you.

You think my little jump was uncalled for? So it may very well be, but then your little jump is uncalled for too, buddy.

Illuyankas, on May 24 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

5. Like I said, trying to use 'you don't get it' as a reason for someone's opinion jarring with yours is lazy, disrespectful, insulting and damn right degrading on your part. It says "I am so superior I don't even need to listen to you, since anyone who doesn't like what I like is too stupid to get it." I really don't care if you meant it very seriously or not, it's the fact you used it that set me off. Please don't use it again. Not if you want people to respect your opinion.

Dude, it wasn't the different opinion I reacted on, it was the attitude - you should be giving a speech to Tubbie too if you really mean what you say.

Illuyankas, on May 24 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

6. As for the rest of you guys, fuck you and OK that was pretty funny.

Tell me about it.

[stone monkey]

Agreeing with Illy here (and I will regret saying that at some time in the future, I'm sure...)

I've always been of the opinion that the Matrix movies are nowhere near as clever and groundbreaking as they and their fanboys and girls think they are. Their philosophical underpinnings are fairly adolescent and obvious, their sf ideas are hackneyed and their stylistic flourishes had all been seen before in other places (mostly adverts and HK movies) I get what the films are trying to say and do; I just don't think they say and do them in a particularly interesting or novel way.

This post has been edited by stone monkey: 24 May 2009 - 12:52 PM

[Gem Windcaster]

stone monkey, on May 24 2009, 12:48 PM, said:

Agreed... I've always been of the opinion that the Matrix movies are nowhere near as clever and groundbreaking as they and their fanboys and girls think they are. Their philosophical underpinnings are fairly adolescent and obvious, their sf ideas are hackneyed and their stylistic flourishes had all been seen before in other places (mostly adverts and HK movies) I get what the films are trying to say and do; I just don't think they say and do themin a particularly interesting or novel way.

Now this is an excellent example of how criticism of the matrix movies should be conducted. All fair points. However I disagree with most of it, and that the philosophical underpinnings are adolescent - because there are more than one layer of the stuff. Hmmm, what according to you, SM, are the films trying to say and do? Because there's not just one answer to that question, you know.
For me it's interesting how they manage to immerse philosophical questions and ideas into the story telling without actually being obvious. Good example is the philosophy of Descartes and Karl Popper. I would be interested in how you mean it is particularly adolescent?

Edit: grammar hmmmzzzz

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 24 May 2009 - 12:56 PM

[Gem Windcaster]

You know what Illy, I'm gonna take your criticism to heart, and try to better myself. It is clear I let my emotions get the better of me, no matter what. I'm still interested in what SM has to say though - it's the one subject I can never get tired of.

[KeithF]

As I said once already, perhaps you could post some examples of the deeper underpinnings of the Matrix movies, as you see them? (I should be clear that I'm neutral on the subject of whether they're groundbreaking or derivative, and am merely interested in seeing people's thoughts about them.)

[Gem Windcaster]

KeithF, on May 24 2009, 02:12 PM, said:

As I said once already, perhaps you could post some examples of the deeper underpinnings of the Matrix movies, as you see them? (I should be clear that I'm neutral on the subject of whether they're groundbreaking or derivative, and am merely interested in seeing people's thoughts about them.)

I could, and maybe I will. The old official matrix site did have lots of articles written by philosophy scholars which was very enlightening (now I think you have to buy the anniversary box to get the articles grrr). But ofcourse it's as much about a persons subjective experience aswell. I'll get back to you.


Edit: I managed to find this: http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_c...phil_intro.html
I guess WB aren't being as greedy as I thought. It doesn't give a description of my own experience though, I'll still have to get back to you on that.

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 24 May 2009 - 02:21 PM

[caladanbrood]

The guys on tlfc.net got freakily into the philosophy behind the films, so it's definitely there. They were quite terrifying, to be honest, but I didn't pay attention to the details, I was only there because my girlfriend at the time was a mod

Honestly, when I watch the Matrix, it's because it's a cool film. Kinda like I ignore the philosophical stuff in Erikson's recent books... too heavy for me.

[stone monkey]

Gem Windcaster, on May 24 2009, 01:55 PM, said:

For me it's interesting how they manage to immerse philosophical questions and ideas into the story telling without actually being obvious. Good example is the philosophy of Descartes and Karl Popper. I would be interested in how you mean it is particularly adolescent?

Good question. For my part I find the philosophising in the Matrix movies adolescent because it's all so very obvious; things that any moderately intelligent viewer should have considered in their early teens (a time when you think you're the only person to have ever thought of these things... until you learn better) I would disagree with you that they aren't obvious too; the Warchowskis practically hit the viewer over the head with a large tome marked "Important Questions of Choice, Being and Perception" I, for one, would have appreciated their efforts to say something meaningful far more had they utilised at least a small amount of subtlety in the way they said them, and allowed the viewer tease out, for him or her self, what they were getting at. I mean, ffs!, as much of a fun idea it is for Neo to have a chat with what is effectively the God of the Matrix, to then have that individual then give a long, and frankly rather trivial, expository speech on the nature of free will is just taking the piss if you ask me... It seems to me that a number of the people who have studied philosophy (or at least looked into the subject in a way that's less than trivial) seem to be under the very mistaken impression that those of us who haven't are completely unaware of the questions (and possible answers) therein.

In the case of the Matrix movies, the writer/directors seem to give this viewer the impression that these movies are the first place that any of their audience could possibly have ever encountered these ideas; an attitude which, in its self-satisfied and self-congratulary approach to it's own cleverness, is very adolescent indeed. Elitism is fine if what you're talking about is actually esoteric, but in the case of the Matrix movies it's not.

And it really doesn't help the case for the movies that, whilst the makers were backslapping themselves about showing off how clever and well read they were, they still managed to make a bunch of movies that were, plotwise, very dumb indeed. I mean, there are plot holes you could drive a supertanker through. This, again, is somewhat adolescent; showing off about how much you know whilst, in the meantime, making very obvious and stupid mistakes.

[edit Note to self: it's not a good idea to post whilst drinking, you get a bit strident...]

This post has been edited by stone monkey: 24 May 2009 - 09:52 PM

[Morgoth]

Gem Windcaster, on May 24 2009, 02:40 PM, said:

Cheer up Illy, you're kind of scaring me here.

Illuyankas, on May 24 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

MORE BULLET POINTS YAY

1. So you think saying 'You just don't get it' is a valid argument? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Not really, no. I didn't mean to say that it is.

Illuyankas, on May 24 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

2. No-one's said that. And 'you don't get it' coupled with ' my intellectual self is screaming' equals 'I get it and am intellectual, and you don't and therefore must not be intellectual, eg you must be stupid'.

Saying "I don't get why you love the Matrix" and saying "I don't get why you don't get the matrix" is basically the same sentence structure and contains the same meaning. I think it's cute that you give more credit to my version than Tuberski's version, but I honestly didn't mean to say he was stupid for not getting the matrix - I was mocking him for the way he posted that sentiment. I thought that was clear, but apparently it isn't.

That's really not the case. If your sentence is to have meaning, then the right way to say it would be "I do not get why you do not love the matrix" . There's a big difference between not loving a movie and not getting a movie. Or to explain this in Norwegian; det er forskjellen på å like en film og å forstå en film.