[Illuyankas]

Don't worry, I managed to avoid clicking anything after I read the one article. I think the 1200 simultaneous tvtropes tabs I had open at once a while back killed the experience for me. Also I forgot how many of the people on that website talk out of their arse.

[Elephant Tamer]

I think the lord of the rings the two towers was pretty bad. Sure, its the middle movie and suffers for it, but its more than that. There was far more 'creative license' involved (half of the book isnt there) and the production values seem less powerfull than those of the other two.

[KeithF]

Yeah, they mucked up the plot of that one in several places. My favourite plot hole is the amazing self-replicating riders of Rohan - when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli first meet him, Eomer has about 100 guys, when he and Gandalf show up to save the day at the end, he has 2000.

[Gem Windcaster]

The only thing I remember from those movies is 'don't toss the dwarf'. Yeah. I'm not even sure that's the correct quote. It probably isn't.

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 26 May 2009 - 01:46 AM

[HoosierDaddy]

KeithF, on May 25 2009, 08:07 PM, said:

Yeah, they mucked up the plot of that one in several places. My favourite plot hole is the amazing self-replicating riders of Rohan - when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli first meet him, Eomer has about 100 guys, when he and Gandalf show up to save the day at the end, he has 2000.

They've been off gathering the clans, though. At least, I think that's what the book says.

[Obdigore]

He gathered the clans that were destroyed in the battle before the Riders retreated to the deepness (or w/e).

So basicly, thats all that was left of a large part of Rohan's strength after... someone... lost a battle against the Urakai.

At least... thats what my memory says, its been years.

[Assail]

Obdigore, on May 25 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

He gathered the clans that were destroyed in the battle before the Riders retreated to the deepness (or w/e).

So basicly, thats all that was left of a large part of Rohan's strength after... someone... lost a battle against the Urakai.

At least... thats what my memory says, its been years.

I believe it was what was left after the battle that Theodred died in. It wasn't especially specific, but I think that Eomer also gathered a hell of a lot of men as he went.

[KeithF]

Obdigore, on May 26 2009, 05:09 AM, said:

He gathered the clans that were destroyed in the battle before the Riders retreated to the deepness (or w/e).

So basicly, thats all that was left of a large part of Rohan's strength after... someone... lost a battle against the Urakai.

They never say that in the movie. Gandalf just says that Eomer (who is still banished at that point) has 2000 men with him, so he'll go and get him. There was no indication that Gandalf or Eomer were gathering scattered troops from previous battles, especially as there was no previous battle. Theodred was ambushed rather than being injured in a previous battle, and no army seemed to have ventured out against Saruman's forces until the evacuation of Edoras. In fact, Legolas says there are only 300 men defending Helm's Deep, so even taking into account losses from the Warg attack, the adult male population of Edoras must have been miniscule.

For comparison, in the book there are about 1000 soldiers already at Helm's Deep when Theoden's hastily raised force from Edoras, which is about 1500 strong, arrives. Gandalf then brings a further 1000 under Erkenbrand at the end of the battle.

[Illuyankas]

Who patrols with 2000 men?

[beru]

it wasent a reguar patroling force it was those loyal to him...

[Illuyankas]

Or at least some of them. Besides, I'm sure more men would have gone 'Hang on, our king's gone a bit snooker loopy in his dotage and this guy might need our help' and followed him after the whole orc invasion thing.

[Elephant Tamer]

What was the point of the warg attack? Why did aragorn fall of into a river and then wake up miles away? Where are the dunedain (i think thats how its spelled)? What is the need of creating secondary characters in the last minute just to have them die? And why waste time with so many relatively unnessacry scenes that you have to leave the more important ones out? These are the questions that have aggravated me for quite a while.

[beru]

^agreed... why did he put in the damned ELFS WHY ON (middle)EARTH!
and sice he put Haldir in charge (in the book he was a young guard leader in lorien) why did they make im to suck that mutch?

[Traveller]

I thought the destruction of Isengard was a bit rushed, really. The book describes the ents hands grasping the rocks, and gripping like speeded-up root growth, before tearing chunks of wall away. Bit more detail would have been nice in the film, rather than intercutting it with Helm Deep and rushing it somewhat.

Also, filming the ents from the ground, looking up, would have made them look far more impressive than all those long range shots, which had the opposite effect.

The numbers in Rohan did seem to increase dramatically, but I'm certain there were other battles taking place on the borders, and Gandalf rode to gather forces from different areas.

I think they just wanted an excuse to put some wargs in. That bit with Legoland mounting that horse looks crap though, because if he was using the momentum to swing up, surely he wouldn't have swung round in front of the horse? Always looks a bit wrong to me, anyhoo.

This post has been edited by Traveller: 17 August 2009 - 01:04 PM

[Mentalist]

So, I've just watched the new Terminator and didn't think it was nearly as bad as RLY makes it sound.

also, going back to Gem's matrix talk, I have a question. Gem, you keep saying "evil machines". But this completely ignores the the Animatrix film "the secong Golden Age" (I think that was the name), which explains why the war happened.

just nitpicking, I guess, but the cpomparison of the machines in Matrix to Skynet irks me for some odd reason.

Also, Salvation wasn't a great movie, but it was decent. Still way better than the trainwreck that the third one was...

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I stand by my opinion, which is that this movie should never have been released. I'm not quite sure what about it exactly offends me so much(or maybe the list is just too long), but it makes me angry. It's not like I'm a huge Terminator fanboy, mad because it wasn't perfect. I'm often more forgiving of bad scifi than other people. This movie though, why I oughtta....

[Gust Hubb]

Old Magic, on 22 May 2009 - 04:19 PM, said:

how bout 'In the name of the King: a dungeon seige tale' .. the most ridiculous cast for a fantasy tale, makes a $11 movie with little effort..

other movies i wanted to like more: Daywatch/Nightwatch (effects bonanza with an odd plot), Indiana4 (no use here), the watchmen (awkward, make it a 2-parter or 3)

Did you watch the Daywatch/Nightwatch movies in Russian. Makes them soooooo much more entertaining (kind of like the difference between dubbed and subbed anime).

[McLovin]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 27 May 2009 - 01:27 AM, said:

I stand by my opinion, which is that this movie should never have been released. I'm not quite sure what about it exactly offends me so much(or maybe the list is just too long), but it makes me angry.

How about the fact that it was effing dumb.

Exhibit 1 - Kyle Reese, a scrawny kid, has somehow managed to rig a deadfall made of heavy scrap iron, hanging off the side of a building. How???

Exhibit 2 - Said deadfall is deployed without anyone checking whether the Terminator was standing directly under it. If you miss, not only have you wasted a LOT of effort, you've given away your position.

Exhibit 3 - The Terminator apparently is stupid enough to stand directly under the deadfall, despite the fact that it's a pretty obvious trap.

I could go on but I've blocked most of the movie from conscious memory.

[QuickTidal]

McLovin, on 24 May 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 27 May 2009 - 01:27 AM, said:

I stand by my opinion, which is that this movie should never have been released. I'm not quite sure what about it exactly offends me so much(or maybe the list is just too long), but it makes me angry.

How about the fact that it was effing dumb.

Exhibit 1 - Kyle Reese, a scrawny kid, has somehow managed to rig a deadfall made of heavy scrap iron, hanging off the side of a building. How???

Exhibit 2 - Said deadfall is deployed without anyone checking whether the Terminator was standing directly under it. If you miss, not only have you wasted a LOT of effort, you've given away your position.

Exhibit 3 - The Terminator apparently is stupid enough to stand directly under the deadfall, despite the fact that it's a pretty obvious trap.

I could go on but I've blocked most of the movie from conscious memory.

I maintain that the biggest problem with Terminator Salvation is that it chickens out on the right way to go with the story.

You know that moment where you realized that it looked like they were going to have Marcus taking over as John Connor (as the real Connor was close to death) since no one knew what John Connor looked like except his closest allies...thus making the new John Connor actually an early Terminator model and that only his voice and revolution was important...that would have been AMAZING. But they fucking chickened out and didn't do that. Marcus sacrifices himself to save John Connor and the world is righted....blerg. What a waste.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 24 May 2011 - 04:18 PM

[Slow Ben]

QuickTidal, on 24 May 2011 - 04:18 PM, said:

McLovin, on 24 May 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 27 May 2009 - 01:27 AM, said:

I stand by my opinion, which is that this movie should never have been released. I'm not quite sure what about it exactly offends me so much(or maybe the list is just too long), but it makes me angry.

How about the fact that it was effing dumb.

Exhibit 1 - Kyle Reese, a scrawny kid, has somehow managed to rig a deadfall made of heavy scrap iron, hanging off the side of a building. How???

Exhibit 2 - Said deadfall is deployed without anyone checking whether the Terminator was standing directly under it. If you miss, not only have you wasted a LOT of effort, you've given away your position.

Exhibit 3 - The Terminator apparently is stupid enough to stand directly under the deadfall, despite the fact that it's a pretty obvious trap.

I could go on but I've blocked most of the movie from conscious memory.

I maintain that the biggest problem with Terminator Salvation is that it chickens out on the right way to go with the story.

You know that moment where you realized that it looked like they were going to have Marcus taking over as John Connor (as the real Connor was close to death) since no one knew what John Connor looked like except his closest allies...thus making the new John Connor actually an early Terminator model and that only his voice and revolution was important...that would have been AMAZING. But they fucking chickened out and didn't do that. Marcus sacrifices himself to save John Connor and the world is righted....blerg. What a waste.

My biggest problem with that friggin movie was at the end and it just ruined it for me. So, Arnie Terminator walks out to John. And his objective is to what? Throw him around the room for 10 minutes.

ITS A FUCKING TERMINATOR!!! NOT A THROWAROUNDTHEMECHANICALROOMER!!

IT WOULD HAVE TERMINATED HIM!!

Just pissed me off so fucking much.