[Path-Shaper]

Slick M.

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I'm under attack. Don't jump in to my defence, if anything you should attack me slightly (obviously don't vote for me tongue.gif ). I'm probably going to have to reveal today and I don't want to make it obvious that we're partners.

Thanks.

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From Tapper

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i'm luuuuuuuurking.

And with good reason. Wonder what is the best thing to do... the biggest accusation against Fener is that he could be a symp for shadow, I'm wondering if I should bring that up, try to push him tomorrow if Fener goes down.
But, I have around 2 hours tomorrow morning around deadline to be active, as opposed to 30 minutes now, so I'm going to wait and do some drive by voting tomorrow.

NN modses.

Tapper

also, Fener = dibs, not Rashan. H's controlling his spelling though.

Night Tapper.

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From the thread

Fener, on Apr 26 2009, 05:37 PM, said:

Shadow, on Apr 26 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

This won't end until one of Fener or Mockra is gone, it seems.

I agree that my playstyle is distracting many people, and could be harmful, so i'll tell you what. I'll do a deal.

Lynch Mockra. From his reaction to my case I think it's highly likely that he's guilty. If he comes up innocent, i'll accept that i'm more of a distraction than a help, and you can get rid of me tomorrow.

Sound fair?

This never works, I've tried, alot, and everyone just keeps putting votes on me.

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A wrong alt guess from Peanut

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Random thoughts since I've been gone for a few days, but Fener sounds a lot like Malaese. If I'm right, I wish he wouldn't be so pushy because it's just going to get him killed... again.

I want to provisionally get drunk tonight.

Noted, lol.

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From PB

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So I can't help but notice the killer has gone after two LOW posters who had NOT contributed anything useful. I had 2 posts at the end of the second night and I was NOT killed, so either I got lucky, or the killer is deliberately avoiding people who offer strong suggestions (on the theory that those suggestions are WRONG and thus the vocal people will end up lynching themselves).

EXTREMELY interesting, however, that Rashan (who hasn't been on once) has dodged the bullet both times. Makes me highly suspect of him as a potential symp.

Honestly, the Fener case building right now is a load of trash, IMO. If he does get lynched, I'm dead certain the killer will be on the train.

more from PB, good job on THAT!

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Ruse is an interesting person... he clearly is referring to Malaese's blow-up in the last game:

Ruse, on Apr 26 2009, 12:50 PM, said:

Seems like a repeat from Day 2 Vamps, where that dude got all emo and says he will vote himself off.

Malaese is odd enough that he might actually BE ruse and be making fun of himself (he also knows off the top of his head what Malaese's role was in the previous game). Some parts of his speech (words like 'pal' and 'Lynch-1') sound like Malaese, so I could have guessed wrong on Fener.

Anyway, alt-guessing aside, he's been passive-aggressive on Fener and may be someone to watch if Fener is lynched and innocent.

And from Slick M.

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I'm going to bed and i've decided not to reveal until morning. Just make sure they don't lynch me while i'm gone. smile.gif

Thanks.

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I'm going to bed and i've decided not to reveal until morning. Just make sure they don't lynch me while i'm gone. smile.gif

Thanks.

This may have been a mistake, coming back with little time gaurantees that you won't be believed, you have tons of pressure on you making it less likely...sigh.

[Sir Thursday]

Based on the PMs (I haven't had time to read the thread proper), it seems like Slick has made it a little too obvious to the killers that he's a finder. Guess that's kind of a hard balance to strike - the one time I played finder I erred towards not being aggressive enough...


Sir Thursday

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Killers

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I don't think this game is for me. It requires devious minds, and a level of suspicion far beyond what I am capable of achieving. I'll keep playing, and trying to win. But, this is probably my last game. Having people read so much into so little is a bit annoying.

Being new, randomly targeted (successfully, for the love of god), and having simps (possible) jump to my defense hasn't helped my cause.

It could be the fact that I'm sick as hell today, and Fener just set off my last good nerve, talking. But... I don't think so. The vote on Fener was purely based on being sick and annoyed, and I'm sure far more will be read into it, despite the fact that I've been publicly suspicious of him since day one. Let's see if any of them pick up on that.

Ok HD I just played the noob card for you. Also I dropped a vote on Fener. I think that I laid out a nice case on how he has been playing like a symp would. It might be enough to get people to follow and lynch him. Tellan/Mental is definately our symp. He is setting up Ruse and Gamelon to be possible targets tomorrow. Good guy that he is. If we can lynch Fener then who do you think that we should kill. I am leaning toward Emurlahn. But would be willing to take out whom ever you would like.

Bent a semi provisional on Emurlahn if Fener is lynched. If Mockra wants to change it then I agree with his decision. smile.gif

Also Mockra and Bent I will be on and posting while I am at work but not after. My midterm is tomorrow night so once I leave work (I will let you know) then I will be studying. HD I think that you are doing fine. Let this game play out before you decide if you like Mafia or not. The paranioa is the fun part for me.

Also I would still like to kill Gem. smile.gif

Noted and good luck on your mid terms

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Sir Thursday, on Apr 26 2009, 08:04 PM, said:

Based on the PMs (I haven't had time to read the thread proper), it seems like Slick has made it a little too obvious to the killers that he's a finder. Guess that's kind of a hard balance to strike - the one time I played finder I erred towards not being aggressive enough...


Sir Thursday

Yeah, he's a bit too lynchable though. Very slim chance his reveal will be believed, so Mockra gets an extra night alive. But good job so far on looking in the right places.

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More from Tennes

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I just changed my mind after looking at the votes. I think that if Fener gets lynched we should kill Kesso tonight. That way tomorrow you can say that someone is trying to set you up by killing off the people who thought that you were the most suspicious. It is a little bit of a gamble but since this is the second day that you have been under suspicion it might fly. On the down side it might also make a finder look at you. But they might do that anyway tonight.

Bent Change our Provisional to Kesso unless Mockra decides he would rather go after someone else. I agree with Mockra decision.

Mockra liked Emur

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I don't think this game is for me. It requires devious minds, and a level of suspicion far beyond what I am capable of achieving. I'll keep playing, and trying to win. But, this is probably my last game. Having people read so much into so little is a bit annoying.

Being new, randomly targeted (successfully, for the love of god), and having simps (possible) jump to my defense hasn't helped my cause.

It could be the fact that I'm sick as hell today, and Fener just set off my last good nerve, talking. But... I don't think so. The vote on Fener was purely based on being sick and annoyed, and I'm sure far more will be read into it, despite the fact that I've been publicly suspicious of him since day one. Let's see if any of them pick up on that.

Then liked Kesso

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I just changed my mind after looking at the votes. I think that if Fener gets lynched we should kill Kesso tonight. That way tomorrow you can say that someone is trying to set you up by killing off the people who thought that you were the most suspicious. It is a little bit of a gamble but since this is the second day that you have been under suspicion it might fly. On the down side it might also make a finder look at you. But they might do that anyway tonight.

Bent Change our Provisional to Kesso unless Mockra decides he would rather go after someone else. I agree with Mockra decision.

Lol. I was going to mention Kesso. I think I'm toast soon, no matter what. So, kill Kesso if Fener gets lynched.

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L-3 with 13 hours left....god I thought we got away from sheeple. Geez. Someone has to fucking realize something is wrong with this....

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From Venge

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I just changed my mind after looking at the votes. I think that if Fener gets lynched we should kill Kesso tonight. That way tomorrow you can say that someone is trying to set you up by killing off the people who thought that you were the most suspicious. It is a little bit of a gamble but since this is the second day that you have been under suspicion it might fly. On the down side it might also make a finder look at you. But they might do that anyway tonight.

Bent Change our Provisional to Kesso unless Mockra decides he would rather go after someone else. I agree with Mockra decision.

Lol. I was going to mention Kesso. I think I'm toast soon, no matter what. So, kill Kesso if Fener gets lynched.

smile.gif Fener is going to be toast. The choices are him and nobody. You only have 2 votes. On a plus side for you to go down with me and Mental going after other players it will hopefully take a finder reveal. Who I will then attack as a symp hoping to bring his partner into the open. Fener has done one thing very nice for us. He has leveled enough accusations at enough people that we should be able to use it to frame and hopefully lynch someone else tomorrow. We shall take it one day at a time. I think that you should hang back a little tomorrow and let me and Mental (hopefully he will be on and not in finals) attack some targets. If someone questions were you are just say that after defending yourself for the last 2 days you are do rereads to see if you can pick up any sympish clues.... smile.gif I would rather not lose you but if you do go lets make it worth while by forcing the finders to reveal.... snigger.gif

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Slick M. I owe you an apology. You are going to get lynched because, you made cases and pushed them. And because team inno is lazy and wants to get an easy out. Really sucks to be you right now. Sigh.

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From Venge

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We should have fucking killed Fener yesterday. Sigh... If it looks like you are going to go down then counter reveal as a finder. Say that you did a find on Omtose and he was innocent day one and then you did a find on korlat and he was innocent. That way if you do get lynched then I will be able to point fingers at them. Actually it would be really funny if you countered right away. At this point you will probably be lynched tomorrow anyway... Sorry HD...

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That is a good point. Nicely done. Why the fuck would he ignore you on day one to go after Gamelon? Don't counter reveal it will seem desperate.


I have to go eat dinner and do homework... FUck...I will hope back on before I go to bed though.

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From peanut

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Fuck it, you only live once (except when there's resurrect).

Going to trust my gut and fake-reveal finder on Fener and hope it saves him AND that Mockra is truly guilty. Otherwise, I'm toast.

From HD

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2 Finder reveals? All because I'm a noob who sucks at playing? Lol.

Cry havoc!

Venge

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2 Finder reveals? All because I'm a noob who sucks at playing? Lol.

Cry havoc!

Ahahahahahaha.... Well we will definitely kill one of them tonight... Oh sweet jesus...It is really to rich.


Lets leave the kill on Kesso anyway. Fuck this shit is funny.

HD

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2 Finder reveals? All because I'm a noob who sucks at playing? Lol.

Cry havoc!

Ahahahahahaha.... Well we will definitely kill one of them tonight... Oh sweet jesus...It is really to rich.


Lets leave the kill on Kesso anyway. Fuck this shit is funny.

At least I'll have made them work to get me killed. biggrin.gif

I don't think Kesso is actually helping Fener. Why finder reveal to save an inno? Because, they are paired finders, and that's why I didn't get found on the first night. That's why.

Malaese

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me thinky Fener is a finder, if D'riss is a symp, my night action is to nut punch him, if a girl then double titty punch.

lol....ummmm.....noted?

Hah I was right. Sucks for team cool. Something in there is amiss, two finders is way to strong for only seeing 1 NK a night so far, but maybe that means more scum than I thought. Omtose reeks of symp too, if he's Mockra's he's fucked cause he's going to get a find for sure tonight, I'm begging for mine right now cause Tennes is going to get tied in real fucking quick too.

Alt Guess Kessobahn is Peanutbutta. Ship it!

Peanut

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Well so far, it looks like I was able to save Fener from a lynch today. This can end four ways for me:

1. Fener is inno and telling the truth about finder/Mockra -- the best scenario for me because it means I gambled correctly and we'll have eliminated scum while keeping a finder (Fener). I imagine I'll be killed in this scenario in one or two nights max (unless we have a second healer who covers me, which would be kind of amusing), and that may be for the best because let's face it, I can only claim, "Oh I got guarded tonight and cannot perform a find" so many times before they call me a liar. Still, would they look kindly upon a liar who managed to push them toward scum? It would almost certainly mean I am not scum because I lied to save an innocent (Fener)
2. Fener is inno and lying about finder/Mockra -- this is the second-best outcome for me because I gambled Fener's allegiance properly, but if Fener misses the call on Mockra, then it's extremely likely Fener or myself gets lynched tomorrow (currently looking like Fener since people probably would think Fener is a symp and I basically fell for it with my 'find'). Of course, if Fener comes up innocent too, then my fake find is covered. Hard to believe I don't get killed in one or two nights unless a healer saves me over and over.
3. Fener is scum/symp and lying about finder/Mockra -- this is a bad situation for me because Mockra CFs inno and then Fener CFs inno (see above). I am thus not proven a liar and will probably be seen as duped hard. However, in this particular scenario, any smart killer that believes I am a true finder will kill me tonight because they know Mockra is a blind alley and killing me will protect Fener (because someone will have 'healed' Fener most likely and then someone else will have killed me tonight, which puts Fener in the clear and gives scum a huge boost).
4. Fener is scum/guilty and lying about finder/Mockra -- this is a pretty bad situation for me because Mockra will CF innocent, Fener will probably get lynched next (see above) and show up Guilty and then boom goes the dynamite, I am a clear liar and lynched. Of course, when I CF as innocent, people go "WTF was he doing, noob" and I run away from Malaz Mafia never to be seen again. Side note, I probably don't get night-killed because the killers know I'm lying and want me to continue to divert attention from them.



Oh man, that is about a 3/8 chance of a decent outcome based on my math (1/4 for #1, 1/8 for #2 assuming Fener CFs innocent), and a 3/8 chance of the scum getting a huge boost.

PLEASE BE RIGHT META.

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From Dibs

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corrwect me if i am wrong but we guarded fener last night?

so he is talking through his hole.

From Fener

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My initial thoughts on a re-read, nobody has responded to my case yet:


Shadow looks good. I don't see a partner or symp pointing out D'riss's symp clue to Mockra.

Emurlahn looks bad, and is a likely partner. I get the feeling that they've been defending each other. We need to consider Emurlahn as a possible partner.

Meanas and Tellan look bad for their initial reactions to my earlier case.

Serc looks good, argued a bit with Mockra after the initial case.

They should have killed me by now. Given my earlier case on Mockra, they must have known that I wasn't their symp. Maybe they're worried about the night kill pointing back to Mockra, but that can be explained away.

Tellan seems to be on your side at the moment. If anything Omtose is coming up suspicious due to recent posts. Emurlahn also removed his vote on you and moved to Mockra, but is dissembling at the same time. He looks like a symp hedging his bets. Omtose is the only one resisting, despite initially saying it makes sense.
Meanas hasn't shown up yet.

Kessobahn may be an unpaired finder...he hinted as much.

We need to change our find to Kessobahn. 3 finders is a lot and we can't affor the possibility that he's lying. Even though I do trust him, it's not worth the risk. And it's a very unlikely play for a symp, although promotable symps may be a bit different.

PS, could you please change our find to Kessobahn. Thanks. Telas, please confirm.

If I die and he comes up guilty, reveal immediately.

From Tapper

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Actually, i should lurk some moar and see if they manage to get a lynch or not, might well be they can't get enough people on, and that would be a day extra if we escape with Mockra around. However, if Fener is to be believed, I'm found inno. If I can explain my behaviour, I can fill the void nicely and pretend VPI, especially if Fener's find is accepted. And that inno find might well mean that my masters will off me. Hurray.

So, if I now vote Mockra, come up with an alibi, and stick around, we got rid of one rotten apple, replace him with me, strengthen my position, create a bigger gap between the other remaining killer and me, and buy us time.
Even if Kesso then finds me to see if Fener isn't a symp sacrificing his own master, it probably means Fener will get lynched for lying, doing a killers work for him.

Uff.

Well, here I go to vote my master and get position number 9 on the train (hopefully not the hammer, lemme check). It is probably pretty damned stupid play that I'm going to do, but this entire game is upside down so far, so one more fuck up is probably allowed wink.gif.

Moar Dibs (titled idiots)

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thats what they are. two finder reveals and people are dropping their trousers and bending over.


really considering blocking kessobahn but we blocked fener last night so we know he is bullshitting, but is he seeeling ot his master for tickets to the final? doubt it, but i possibly would if i thought it could win the game for me so its not too far out there.

guard shadow tonight, tempted to stick with tellan as he is another possibility in that circle of doom, but we will go with shadow. hopefully he aint a healer.

and two innos for a fucking symp is not a good deal!!!

Moar Tapper

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I prepared my good old 'red cross-post' code edit to be able to fake-reveal healer to explain my withdrawn middle of the road playstyle if need be tongue.gif

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Just in case Malaese got kill powers...not yet young padawan

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If somehow Tennes dies and I get his kill tonight, Kill shadow.

Moar Malaese

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Serc, on Apr 27 2009, 02:20 AM, said:

Christ, what a balls up. Two finder reveals day three with like 20 people still in the game O_o.

Arrrggg I should know who this is, because they constantly slip and use O_o I just don't want to go look it up.

Dibs (fail, lol)

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pretty certain we guarded fener last night so he is bs'ing.

am so close to revealling, but want to see if the twat really did out one of his killers.

Dibs going to kill one of his finders.

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think fener is symp, regardless we need him dead tomorrow. if either of us die we should push that lynch. did you code anywhere?

[Peanutbutta]

Let me just say, "Hellz ya."

The killers feel good that they're going to nab two finders and I was able to throw myself on the company sword to save Fener for another night (let's face it, the best outcome for town is to lose roleless innos to night kills). I suspect he'll get whacked hard tomorrow.

So while I may have died early AGAIN, this time I did it willingly AND I have been totally RIGHT in the process (Ruse is a symp, Mockra is guilty, Fener is innocent).

There must be some kind of award for diverting the train appropriately with a total lie.

Also: don't feel bad about dying, Hoosierdaddy. It happens to the best of 'em. You basically had Fener about to get killed and I rolled the dice to save him. Odds were just as good of me whiffing as me hitting.

This post has been edited by Peanutbutta: 27 April 2009 - 01:25 PM

[Peanutbutta]

Also, do I get brownie points for being totally right and DiBs being totally wrong about Fener (and about me being legit).

[Peanutbutta]

From main thread, Shadow:
1) Kessobahn lied about being finder, because he was so convinced that Mockra was evil.

Good guess! Hopefully that will spare Fener from a lynch, although that still means he's getting killed tonight.

Also main thread, Shadow:
Ok, so what was the deal with Kessobahn then? Claimed he was a finder but apparently wasn't, but pointed to the right person as guilty anyway. Is it the Khell-tactic of claiming to have a role and pointing fingers at someone despite not actually knowing for certain whether they're evil or not?

Shadow is too good.

This post has been edited by Peanutbutta: 27 April 2009 - 01:40 PM