[D'riss]

Barghast, on Apr 18 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Apr 18 2009, 08:38 AM, said:

I still have Barghast as my suspect from Day 1, he seemed awefully keen and stretched to paint I thnk it was Serc in a bad dodgy light with one particular post early on Day 1. It stood out in my day 1 reread.

Hey, for the record, I didn't have to try to 'paint' Serc anything, he managed to do that all by himself by jumping on me for no reason, except him being an annoying rp'ing douche.

Umm, I beg to differ. You were trying to force things a bit more than necessary. I made a mini-case on you yesterday, if you'll recall, based on that fact. IGMEOY.

[Ampelas]

Ruse, on Apr 18 2009, 06:59 AM, said:

As for today's lynch, I'm not certain.

I'll wait to see if people agree that Shadow was probably Sixty, if not I'll study Shadow's posts to find his "tells" and sniff him off his new alt.

If Shadow was killed by the "killer" scum team, the reason is fraught with WIFOM.

There's also the potential of having been a recruiting, in which case I should go back to see this "following Korlat" thingy of whatever came up in the last pages.

Ruse that's gonna be really hard. If Shadow was FM, he played a brilliant night 1 by posting like a total fucking madman. It guarantees he'll survive night 2 as long as he doesn't then slip and give shit away. I don't know if there's anything in Shadow's content that would give away FM.

Because Lio's argument on Korlat was so far the only real argument I've seen I think I might as well

vote Korlat

and see what comes of that.

@Lio, after waking up fresh and new, I remembered what it was about the waiting game I didn't like. It prevents you from sticking your neck out risking an unpopular case because you know you've got support. It has nothing to do with excuses, just with ensuring your own safety while waiting for a train to build. Again, I'm not pushing I'm just making sure that anybody who reads my comments from yesterday doesn't think I'm a total Mafia idiot.

[Ampelas]

I have to go again for a couple hours, mornings seem to be my busy time these days, so I'll be back shortly.

[Anomandaris]

Barghast, on Apr 18 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Apr 18 2009, 08:38 AM, said:

I still have Barghast as my suspect from Day 1, he seemed awefully keen and stretched to paint I thnk it was Serc in a bad dodgy light with one particular post early on Day 1. It stood out in my day 1 reread.

Hey, for the record, I didn't have to try to 'paint' Serc anything, he managed to do that all by himself by jumping on me for no reason, except him being an annoying rp'ing douche.

Yes you did. Here's the post which struck both me and someone else.
Your really stretching for Serc = Scum there.

Barghast said:

Silanah said:

Serc said:

Are you saying that you have never feasted on the blood of our eternal enemy's the Lycan? Does my story of rejoicing in the bathing of a unknown lycans blood not warm your blood. If this is the case then perhaps we have already found one of the interlopers. As such I shall be happy to dispatch you so that we can get on with our training.

My problem with his play is this: sure, as a town player one is more comfortable sticking the neck out, but why take the risk? After all there is a chance you end up on the day 1 train playing like this. No, I think it's more likely a non-town player would take the chance/risk playing like this, because he probably feel he has to do something.
I agree it's wifom, but it's my two cents.

[Hood's Path]

Just caught up on all of the posts. Some interesting stuff, but for the most part conjecture and more umbrage about certain people's attitudes in their posting than anything substantial IMO. Something about Korlat's posts annoyed me, but I'll withhold judgement until I see a bit more.

Be back in a couple of hours.

[D'riss]

Barghast, on Apr 18 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

D'riss, on Apr 18 2009, 09:12 AM, said:

Barghast, on Apr 18 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Apr 18 2009, 08:38 AM, said:

I still have Barghast as my suspect from Day 1, he seemed awefully keen and stretched to paint I thnk it was Serc in a bad dodgy light with one particular post early on Day 1. It stood out in my day 1 reread.

Hey, for the record, I didn't have to try to 'paint' Serc anything, he managed to do that all by himself by jumping on me for no reason, except him being an annoying rp'ing douche.

Umm, I beg to differ. You were trying to force things a bit more than necessary. I made a mini-case on you yesterday, if you'll recall, based on that fact. IGMEOY.

Oh come on, you're strawmanning your ass off, I wasn't the one jumping on a random person for not saying blood enough times, I wasn't the one voting for some random person for not answering to his ludicrous rp questions. If I find such behavior suspicious, I am not forcing things more than necessary, I am being justifiably analyzing the situation.

Ano has brought up the quote I found suspicious. You could just have said that you found Serc's RP annoying - to be honest that's a satisfactory reason to cast a vote at that point in the game, but instead you justified it with a quite obviously bogus line about how stirring stuff up and provoking reactions is a scum tactic. That is stretching quite some way, and goes beyond "being justifiably analyzing the situation (sic)".

[Korvalain]

Just stepping in to get a bit caught up before I head off to work

D'riss, on Apr 18 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

Having gone over the stuff I've missed, the first thing that struck me as odd was Korvalain following Korlat and then immediately removing again. Set off some rather loud alarm bells in my head. The only thing that makes me pause is that it's so blatant a symp clue...but the case on Liosan was a nothing case, as far as I can tell, no way an inno would look at it and think it was worth following.

Okay, I thought I explained this earlier, but I'll do it again. Korlat's case, in the order that s/he presented it, at the time, seemed like a fair case and we didn't have anything else to go on at the time. There were 7 or so people on at the time, I figured why not join into the train and get the discussion going (generally a single vote on someone gets far less attention and discussion then 2 or more). But since in the next 5 minutes no one said a word and 4 people left the thread, I spent the time going back and looking over the posts more in-depth. In context and in order, they faired a lot better and I didn't think the case was so strong anymore, nor did I want that vote which I was no longer confident of hanging around for the following 8 hours while I slept, so I removed it.

And of course, now that people have been on and discussed Lio's case better, the poorness of the case on him is now blatantly apparent

[Korvalain]

Barghast, on Apr 18 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

I can see where you are coming from, but unfortunately it's no guarantee that you're innocent. Korlat need to step up and explain what the hell he's doing. I can see it getting messy otherwise.

Of course. Though I did find it a bit weird that when we started going for Galain in earnest Liosan so quickly jumped his argument to new people, basically me and Rash, which seemed a bit... I don't know... sudden? But then again, people were bringing up symping on Galain and on him, so I guess he would want to flip that argument into a counter-symp-accusation...


As for the argument on Barghast, I don't think it's much, seems to me he was just more annoyed by Serc than most of us and shouted at Serc more vehemently

[D'riss]

Barghast, on Apr 18 2009, 04:20 PM, said:

I was actually understating the situation in that post - I could have gone way farther, but I was chalking it down to day 1 confusion at that point, so I held back. I actually still find Serc's behavior suspicious, and if he makes another suspicious move, I'll definitely vote for him sooner or later. Do you really disagree with anything I say in that post? Because if you do, I'll have some serious questions for you. Some really serious ones.

You're the one stretching right now. Same goes for D'riss.

Seriously? What he was doing, as far as I can tell, was trying to provoke a reaction in people. And that is not something that scum need to do - it's up to the town to find the scum after all, not the other way round. So your reasoning didn't make any sense. Because of that, your post stuck out to me - trying to drive suspicion onto someone using false reasoning is something scum would do, after all. It made you seem eager to get a lynch based solely on RP - not the mark of an innocent player, in my eyes.

This reasoning is not a stretch. It all follows nicely from your post.

[Emurlahn]

Back - just got some reading to do.

[Sixty]

It is night 2, about 13 hours left. weekend freeze is in effect.

21 players are still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Telas, Tennes)


takes 11 to lynch or 10 to go to day

3 votes Galain (Fener, Silanah, Rashan)
1 vote Rashan (Galain)
5 votes Korlat (Ruse, Meanas, D'riss, Ampelas, Barghast)

not voted: everyone else

[D'riss]

Korvalain, on Apr 18 2009, 04:29 PM, said:

Just stepping in to get a bit caught up before I head off to work

D'riss, on Apr 18 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

Having gone over the stuff I've missed, the first thing that struck me as odd was Korvalain following Korlat and then immediately removing again. Set off some rather loud alarm bells in my head. The only thing that makes me pause is that it's so blatant a symp clue...but the case on Liosan was a nothing case, as far as I can tell, no way an inno would look at it and think it was worth following.

Okay, I thought I explained this earlier, but I'll do it again. Korlat's case, in the order that s/he presented it, at the time, seemed like a fair case and we didn't have anything else to go on at the time. There were 7 or so people on at the time, I figured why not join into the train and get the discussion going (generally a single vote on someone gets far less attention and discussion then 2 or more). But since in the next 5 minutes no one said a word and 4 people left the thread, I spent the time going back and looking over the posts more in-depth. In context and in order, they faired a lot better and I didn't think the case was so strong anymore, nor did I want that vote which I was no longer confident of hanging around for the following 8 hours while I slept, so I removed it.

And of course, now that people have been on and discussed Lio's case better, the poorness of the case on him is now blatantly apparent

While this sounds plausible, surely you should have gone over the case well enough to discern that it wasn't especially strong before you put your vote down in the first place?

[Anomandaris]

Barghast, on Apr 18 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

I was actually understating the situation in that post - I could have gone way farther, but I was chalking it down to day 1 confusion at that point, so I held back. I actually still find Serc's behavior suspicious, and if he makes another suspicious move, I'll definitely vote for him sooner or later. Do you really disagree with anything I say in that post? Because if you do, I'll have some serious questions for you. Some really serious ones.

You're the one stretching right now. Same goes for D'riss.

I disagree, D'riss has answered already and I agree with what he said. He was doing Vampire RP Day 1, in the Vampire Mafia game. I found it incredibly fucking annoying, however I can't say I thought it was suspicious.
What I did find suspicious was instead of saying its annoying, your making a reason as to why it would be scummy. Annoying isn't the same thing as scummy.

So please ask your serious questions, the really serious ones. I would hate to get only serious and not the really serious ones, its day 2 after all.

[Tennes]

Morning guys, been a little difficult for me to get on since this damn laptop keeps crashing spectaculary. Personally I blame the vista, but whatever.

Not really sure what our best option is at this point, seems like we have Serc, Liosan, Korlat, and Galain as possibles for today. I feel that Serc was just engaging in day 1 RP spam, so not a big fan of that case.

Liosan did point of the apparent tellan "slip," and has seemed very insistant to let us know that fact, which is strange since hitting town isn't something to be proud of.

Galain has just been a low poster/lurker whose first couple posts were worthless, not sure if there is enough there but something to consider.

I don't really get the case on Korlat, if anyone can explain.