[Korlat]

Liosan, on Apr 18 2009, 12:59 PM, said:

Korlat, saying he didn't do you any favours is nothing. Surely it's better if he indicates to you that he's your symp. How do you know he did you no favours? Derailing a lynch you've come up with isn't damaging you, unless I am scum. And, moreover, nobody else, on reflection, found your case strong, so having him vote/unvote didn't really affect it anyway.

So, no, you didn't explain the Korv thing, nor did you explain his later following of you with the comments about symping.

Quite a few people found it interesting enough to consider for an early Day 2 case, of course you don't want it to seem that way because if it's 4 or 5 then it's clearly town symping town, so instead you have to boil it down (to) one to make it sound ominous. All of this after I remove vote on you, which guess what, townies don't go after the attacker when the pressure is taken off, scum on the other hand have to in order to point back and claim innocent later on.

edit - added (to)

This post has been edited by Korlat: 18 April 2009 - 11:25 AM

[Korlat]

Ruse, on Apr 18 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

And I also think that Korlat being forced to prove he lied and come back to post for something as weak as "Korvalain and Rashan seem to agree with Korlat a lot" makes me think that sentence tickles the wrong way.

Vote it then, but I was right.

[Ruse]

Rashan, on Apr 18 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on Apr 18 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

And I also think that Korlat being forced to prove he lied and come back to post for something as weak as "Korvalain and Rashan seem to agree with Korlat a lot" makes me think that sentence tickles the wrong way.

I don't see why im being put with Korlat and Korv when I didn't even vote for Liosan..

I'm not saying I agree with the statement per se. I'm just saying Korlat doesn't like it. It might be all true, or half-true. Or even all wrong, with Korlat not wanting pressure at all and being over-defensive.

[Ruse]

Korlat, on Apr 18 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

Ruse, on Apr 18 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

And I also think that Korlat being forced to prove he lied and come back to post for something as weak as "Korvalain and Rashan seem to agree with Korlat a lot" makes me think that sentence tickles the wrong way.

Vote it then, but I was right.

Right about what?

[Liosan]

Really? You seem to think there is a playbook on this thing, Korlat. If it were that easy, it wouldn't be a very fun game now, would it?

And I'm not talking about the votes, here. I'm talking about the following. If Rashan can claim that someone is symping another player by denying that player is symping them, or you can claim that a player is symping another for saying a case is weak, I can say that you are being symped by Korvalain for voting with you and agreeing with you quite legitamately.

As for not going after someone who has removed their vote on you, well, if I spot something fishy, I don't care if you have voted for me or not, I will examine it and see what others think of it. And all your reactions without a vote for you. As Ruse pointed out, you had no need to come on and make your post about pretending to go to sleep.

Actually, why haven't you commented on Ruse's posts, yet. I would have thought you would claim he was symping me...

[Liosan]

Cross-posts.

[Liosan]

Anyway. I'm off to sleep. *goes to check how long left in the night*

[Liosan]

My god, quadruple post.

17 hours until day.

There are no strong cases. Hell, the Galain case is probably the strongest at the moment, and even it is merely based on low posting, and possible fake symping....

Anyone decides to get votes going on me again, I'm going to be back in 10 hours. Please, don't speed lynch me, I am sick of that happening. I WILL be back with plenty of time to spare.

[Ruse]

I'm still waiting to see what Korlat was "right" about.

When I'm inno and someone pressures me without a vote, I don't get annoyed and provoke him to vote like Korlat did. That's called aggressive pre-emptive bluffing, and I'm not a good person to bluff with.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 18 April 2009 - 11:58 AM

[Ruse]

Bah,

vote Korlat


I'll be around if he (or anyone else) comes back to talk.

[Telas]

Sorry lads and lasses. Today is going to be slightly rough. Working most of it. I'll be on again well before the deadline, but here are my thoughts so far.

Liosan seems a bit sressed, but as been making a solid attempt at contribution, even if his case on Rashan (or was it Korv, or Korlat?) is again based on os "slip". And that didn't work out so well last time.

Galain has picked it up a bit. he has 7 posts now. Wait, that isn't picking it up any at all is it. but I will say this, at least he made an attempt. So yeah, I think we can hold off on him.

Everyone else. I really don't know. I can't speak on the Liosan case because of the above. Anyway, I'll be back and see if anything strikes me. And decide then. See you later, guys

[Ruse]

Not to jump on anything that moves, but how is the current discussion about a "slip"?

[Meanas]

Ruse, on Apr 18 2009, 02:57 PM, said:

Not to jump on anything that moves, but how is the current discussion about a "slip"?

Right I'm back. Korlat voted Lio cos lio used they instead of us when referring to town. Then the whole symping/fake-symping thing started.

Honestly the most suspicious thing I've seen today is Korlat's "I pretend to go to sleep and see what happens begind my back" statement. Lying about what you're doing in RL is bad form, I'd like to know why he would do that.

vote Korlat

Pleny of time left, I will remove if he gives a valid reason for lurking (and admitting to it.)

[Anomandaris]

Ok back and more or less caught up.

So first up Shadows death. A little surprised we only had one death I was figuring it would be more. Shadow is a strange choice, there was someone who said they'd definitly vote for them tomorrow so he was a good target for a day 2 lynch. FM is definitly a maybe, first day lots of Spam to cover their tracks so when they switch
over they'll be hard to track, we're not going to guess anyone else posting was Shadow.

Does leave us with a, where did any kills go though?


Onto day 2 then. So Galain got up to 4 votes pretty quickly can't say i'm keen on the case at all so early in the game. Low posting Day 1 happens, also its tough to post on a Friday night and him coming on a little drunk I find understandable.
What we should be looking for is this after a few days who are under the radar, not posting or contributing. 1 day + a Friday night isn't enough to get a pattern on.

I still have Barghast as my suspect from Day 1, he seemed awefully keen and stretched to paint I thnk it was Serc in a bad dodgy light with one particular post early on Day 1. It stood out in my day 1 reread.

Kinda agree with Ruse about Korlat, a pretending to see how things go with a vote remove and off to bed? Seriously? Did he expect we'd all start gossiping about him behind his back or something. Weird.

[Gamelon]

So far, today seems all about little ego wars, sadly, that I can't read much into... that information should become a little more interesting in later days, when we can guess better this was all distancing or something lasting a whole lot longer.

I think we lynched Tellan for a valid reason, that was brought up by Liosan and I'm willing to cut Liosan a little slack for that.
He's been committing himself by presenting that case and he does it now, as long as he's talking, I'm happy. When he falls off the radar, it is time to gather some votes on him.

In the same vein, I'm so far a bit amused by people who think that 1-2 votes pressure people into doing something when we still have 20+ players around, or pressure others into symping them. If people are that desperate to seem playing and up their post count and reply an defend to what is basically omgus stuff, grammar issues or ego wars, then either they can't stand even the slightest bit of pressure or they really want to be everyone's bestestest friend, which is going to backfire at some point, too.

If putting one vote on someone and then claim he is showing up, you have achieved what you wanted, and then remove, that almost sounds like distancing, as in that way, you just can't keep tabs on everyone... game is simply too large for that yet and that we start of with day 1 and then weekend is not helping as lots of people are doing other stuff than playing mafia... just like I am going to do again now.

[Gamelon]

Also, please... why are we worried about why it was Shadow? Guessing the reasons for NKs is entirely wifom. Always is, always has been.
So, if you want to second guess and ask 'why?' then you could also ask 'why not Shadow?'... It leaves us with nowhere to start again and fragmented and going about our business in typical day 1 ways, rather than pursue a common goal.

While it is questioning mechanics, I am much more surprised that we have only 1 NK tonight with Camarilla, Baali and Sabbat opposing us, but I haven't heard anyone second guess that so far.

[D'riss]

Lying in is fun .

Having gone over the stuff I've missed, the first thing that struck me as odd was Korvalain following Korlat and then immediately removing again. Set off some rather loud alarm bells in my head. The only thing that makes me pause is that it's so blatant a symp clue...but the case on Liosan was a nothing case, as far as I can tell, no way an inno would look at it and think it was worth following.

Since then we've had a lot of arguing - while I can see the possibility of a Galain - Liosan link, they rebutted it fairly well and to be honest, with a case that weak there was no need for a symp/partner to get involved. Seems to me more like Galain came on and responded to people's cries for more content by talking about the hot topic of the time.

With regards to Ruse's questions about Shadow/Sixty's style - he's not normally so talkative, but he did make a reference to school IIRC that sounded very like him. I think it's unlikely that it was an FM possession based on that.

[D'riss]

Oh, forgot to put it in my previous post:

Vote Korlat

As it seemed Korvalain was symping him.