Bauchelain the Evil, on 29 January 2011 - 06:30 PM, said:
the Dragon Reborn, on 29 January 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:
Also, you can't just say one is better than all. It depends on the warren. Some warrens would be more useful against one mage than they would another.
Grub beats Tay because he can throw the ground in front of Tays Fire... (Fight with Sinn, and she is the daughter of a firestorm), a.k.a. Tay can't touch him.
Sormo can just ask the closest spirit of the land to eat you.
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Yes and no. Tay would probably be able to turn Bluepearl to smithereens even though the latter uses Ruse and thus "elementally" speaking should be able to beat Telas.
Also, we don't know how powerful Sinn and Grubb are compared to the true heavyweights. Personally, I think Tay is more powerful than them and even if we accept your theory that Grubb would be able to neutralize Telas, Tay can also access other warrens( Mockra, Thyr and Aral Gamelon off the top of my head).
Well Tay vs Bluepearl is a bad example. Im not saying that just because you use a certain warren that you beat anybody who uses another warren. It is a mixture of power, skill, and warren. Tay and Bluepearl are on completely different levels in terms of both power and skill. However in a match-up like Tay vs Quick, where power and skill are both on about the same level, the warrens brought to bear are what will decide the day. I agree that Tay could use some on his other warrens, however he doesn't have the same mastery of the others that he does with Telas. I wasn't trying to say that the elemental nature of the warren is the deciding factory, however it is something that should be considered when debating a who-wins type debate...
Speaking of Aral Gamelone, that brings up Bauchelain. Where does he fit in this ranking.
Siergiej, on 29 January 2011 - 09:26 PM, said:
Warrens are not Pokemon. I doubt their efficiency is measured by the elemental power they are bound to.
I understand that warrens are not pokemon, but where are you getting the idea that their efficiency isn't measured by the elemental power they are bound to? If thats the case, why are they tied to elements at all? In a magic system that is based on elements, it is ridiculous to believe that the interactions between those elements in nature plays no part on how they interact with each other.
As an aside on Quick's mastery of the warrens, he uses the chaos warren to travel inbetween all of the warrens, since chaos touches every warren. I have yet to see someone else travel the warren of chaos like Quick does, nor that anyone even thinks about it (Dont think it is possible, maybe...).
"Within the Warren of
Chaos,
Quick Ben knew of the innumerable shifting pathways that led to doors. Though he called them doors they were in fact barriers created where Warrens touched, a calcretion of energy as solid as basalt.
Chaos touched on all realms, with gnarled fingertips bleeding power, the doors hardened wounds in the flesh of other worlds, other avenues of magic."
GotM, US HC, p.271
I think this shows a mastery of the lore that is unseen in any other mortal mage...
My top 5:
1. Kruppe
2. Quick
3. Tay
4. Pust
5. Grub/Sin... Maybe Bauchelain (Cause of his demons.)
Also didn't Grub and Sinn f*** up Na'ruk Sky keeps? I believe it is stated that not even Rake can fully unlock their power, yet Tay is awesome cause he damaged 1 when not commanded by the Na'ruk? what about Sinn and Grub who absolutely murderlized them?