[Galayn Lord]

Actually that doesnt disprove Kesso in itself as the Necros can choose to recruit themselves for some reason Even though it seems a bit stupid (dont hurt me mods )

Path-Shaper, on Jan 22 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

Just a note of clarification since its come up a few times: Necromancers can pick themselves as their recruits. .

I would assume that this acts as a BP for them.

[Omtose]

Vote Galayn Lord.

I think you've made a few rather visible mistakes on the past few pages and jumped pretty high each time the mistake was revealed, only to bounce back with another flawed post.

You started by voting Kessobahn - then, upon reaction, you're withdrawing and saying you didn't think things through. Hello, this is the single biggest point so far in the game, why didn't you think before you posted?

Then, you tried to discredit his reveal by pointing out Serc as the possible medium - when that was practically impossible due to the presence of a CF after his death - yet you missed that... again!

It reeks of trying to do some damage control and cast doubt, but done hastily.

Now, I doubt I can get a full train on your ass with the reveal and the light in which it portrays Fener, but since I'll be around for most of the evening and can remove vote any time, it's the best way to point out that you're behaving somewhat erratically.

[Mockra]

ugh
hey guys
sorry I dissapeared yesterday, but I had 4 hours of sleep th enight before and ended up basically blanking out.
and I woke up today with a mildly sore throat, so i'll be intensely medicating that, since today happens to be a day off classes for me.

onto the reveal--I'm not a fan of it.
Could Kess himself have been recruited?
anyhow, he accused first, so mafia precedent disctates we test his claim

remove vote

Vote Fener

[Liosan]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 22 2009, 03:24 PM, said:

Standard rules for the cult, you don't gain the powers of a Necromancer, you are merely on their team you keep your existing role etc.
Note its a little unclear, our own fault for not proof reading. I blame JA personally.

Also since its come up a few times, The Creature can still win if the others on his team are dead since he is an original member of the Undead. The Recruits require a Necromancer alive.

And just to complete the clarification process, Necromancers know if they have recruited successfully.

I think we will get an undead result on fener, but this in no way proves that Kessobahn is the medium. As a necromancer he could work out who the killers target is because he is informed that his recruitment was successful. This case he supposedly was going to make was on fener was an awful long way coming and came off the back of pressure from various players. he said himself that his supect list yesterday was a foolsih move and if fener is an undead that would mean that the creature and the killers both went for someone off that list. I find coincidences in mafia games hard to ignore, but there is something strange going on here and a day 2 reveal to get a recruit is very foolish for what i see is our strongest role.

Added to that, did anyone other than kessobahn even consider the possibility that the necromancers could target themselves? Even for one second? Why would the medium have been contemplating such a mechanic? Just because it isnt implied explicitly in the roles does not mean it isnt assumed, when we have a healer or a guard we do not assume they can heal or guard themselves. Why would a cult be allowed to recruit themselves, and why if you were the medium would you ask that question?

I do not have access from home at the moment, but i may have to visit the in laws tonight or batter my neighbours door. The only reason i havent returned my vote to kessobahn is that he could be the medium, and though i am very reluctant to suggest tactics for another player i would ask a finder to investigate if kessobahn is in fact the necromancer over the night, if there is no reveal tomorrow i will assume he isnt a necromancer and move on.

[Rashan]

Havent fully caught up yet, but it would figure the one case I make is on someone important. I question the timing of the reveal as there wasn't many votes on Kess, just some inerest. However that gives him a bit of credit that he didn't wait until then, looking desperate.

Remove Vote

Not sure why Fener is the target, but i am still catching up, more in a minute.

[Galain]

Argh my internet at work was really screwy and it wouldn't let me post, so I've lost about 5 posts worth of what could have been useful notes and stuff. I'm off to gym for a bit but will be back later, well before deadline to decide stuff.

[Rashan]

Well, How many votes does Fener have, I see that he revealed a possible code, is that all? Other than our supposed necro says Emur is telling the truth? Not sure, but I don't want to put him at l-3 with 2 double voters in play.

Edit: Without hearing his side first.

This post has been edited by Rashan: 22 January 2009 - 04:17 PM

[Ampelas]

Not only did we start playing seriously, we've already started the revealfest. Maybe the game will be over tomorrow.

Does anyone else here think that Kesso's reveal was completely and utterly unnecessary? People were already suspicious of Fener because of the code thing, I think he should at least have pushed for a standard case at first. If noone bought it, or he got flak for trying to distract everyone from the train that was building on him, then he could possibly have revealed. As it is, he's thrown the most important inno role right out in the open. To expose someone who in all possibility is only a recruit. The 'necros would target themselves' thing is possible (as confirmed by the mods), but with such a huge crowd and such a slim chance of hitting the same people as the killers, would they waste their power on themselves?

There's a part of me that's thinking he might be an incredibly ballsy/stupid killer, although I see GL has gotten lots of flak for thinking on the same lines. If he is, he's just turned this game on it's head, since people will be incredibly hesitant to lynch him if Fener is in fact a necro. Added to that the roled inno will probably do everything in their power to protect him. Witches giving up BPs, gravediggers following his suggestions etc.

Personally I will be amazed if he survives more than another day or two, most likely leaving us without a CF - a very poor position to be in. We will very probably have to disregard everything he says after this anyway, since the longer he's alive, the more likely it is he's a recruit.

Seriously dude - poor, poor play on your part. I sincerely hope there's something you're not telling us that makes this better. But there's nothing to do now except:

vote Fener

[Rashan]

Mockra, on Jan 22 2009, 10:52 AM, said:

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and I woke up today with a mildly sore throat, so i'll be intensely medicating that, since today happens to be a day off classes for me.

Eating too many dicks out of a bag will do that, i suppose, lol.

[Rashan]

I believe he is at L-2 with Amps vote now. possibly even a lynch. I would still rather give him time to reveal if he has to, so I am holding my vote right now. Might be a good idea for someone to remove their vote as well, just to make sure.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2, ~5.5 hours left in the day

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night

2 vote Galain (Korlat, Fener)
1 vote Silanah (Shadow)
1 vote Tennes (Kaschan)
9 vote Fener (Kessobahn, Ruse, Galayn Lord, Liosan, Hood's Path, Meanas, D'riss, Mockra, Ampelas)
1 vote Galayn Lord (Omtose)

6 have not voted: Anomandaris , Galain, Rashan, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.

[Ampelas]

Sorry, didnt realise my vote put him at L-2. My post took a while to type cos I kept getting distracted and a couple of people voted in the meantime.

[Hood's Path]

Ampelas, on Jan 22 2009, 08:16 AM, said:

Not only did we start playing seriously, we've already started the revealfest. Maybe the game will be over tomorrow.

Does anyone else here think that Kesso's reveal was completely and utterly unnecessary? People were already suspicious of Fener because of the code thing, I think he should at least have pushed for a standard case at first. If noone bought it, or he got flak for trying to distract everyone from the train that was building on him, then he could possibly have revealed. As it is, he's thrown the most important inno role right out in the open. To expose someone who in all possibility is only a recruit. The 'necros would target themselves' thing is possible (as confirmed by the mods), but with such a huge crowd and such a slim chance of hitting the same people as the killers, would they waste their power on themselves?

There's a part of me that's thinking he might be an incredibly ballsy/stupid killer, although I see GL has gotten lots of flak for thinking on the same lines. If he is, he's just turned this game on it's head, since people will be incredibly hesitant to lynch him if Fener is in fact a necro. Added to that the roled inno will probably do everything in their power to protect him. Witches giving up BPs, gravediggers following his suggestions etc.

Personally I will be amazed if he survives more than another day or two, most likely leaving us without a CF - a very poor position to be in. We will very probably have to disregard everything he says after this anyway, since the longer he's alive, the more likely it is he's a recruit.

Seriously dude - poor, poor play on your part. I sincerely hope there's something you're not telling us that makes this better. But there's nothing to do now except:

vote Fener

I do think Kesso is suspicious, the timing of his reveal was odd, it did seem a little unecessary and came out of the blue. The problem I have with voting him is that if we're wrong we could be losing the medium. He's right up there on my list after Fener. I would rather vote Fener, worst case scenario would be that he's inno. In that case we know something is up with Kesso, and can proceed accordingly. If we're right about Fener at minimum we're getting rid of a recruit at best knocking off a Necro. It's the long way around but I'd rather be wrong about Fener, than to be wrong about Kesso and lose the medium.

[Rashan]

Ampelas, on Jan 22 2009, 11:32 AM, said:

Sorry, didnt realise my vote put him at L-2. My post took a while to type cos I kept getting distracted and a couple of people voted in the meantime.

Ummm, so are you going to remove it?

[D'riss]

OK, working on a possibly crazy theory that may prove to be nothing but to attempt to prevent a lynch to early
remove vote

[Mockra]

like I've said before, I consider the reveal ill-timed as well

if we got a psychic, I'd udge him to take a look at Kesso...
no, wait.
Necros come up as "not a killer"
damn
if Kesso was a medium and got culted, we've no way of knowing.
fuck

[Mockra]

question to the mods:

will the creature come up as killer or not when looked at by psychic?

[Meanas]

Mockra, on Jan 22 2009, 04:50 PM, said:

question to the mods:

will the creature come up as killer or not when looked at by psychic?

The creature should come up as a undead not as a killer.

[Path-Shaper]

Mockra, on Jan 22 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

question to the mods:

will the creature come up as killer or not when looked at by psychic?

The Psychic role description is the one I wrote the most carefully, so I think it is quite clear.

[D'riss]

After further reading and thought I’m very uneasy about Kesso’s reveal. So here’s a (probably weak) theory:

Kesso is a necro and has identified Fener as psycho (and others have expressed suspicion about Fener). Using a fake reveal to add enormous weight to his argument he starts the fastest train in the game yet on Fener. Fener is lynched, one less psycho and Kesso comes out smelling of roses. The only person who would know he is bullshitting would be the real medium. This would contradict his outing of Fener as necro/recruit, but as we’ve seen our Kesso is full of contradictions...

If he’s telling the truth, the creature and/or the psychos will kill him tonight – its a suicidal reveal unless he’s recruited by the necros, keeps his role as Medium and carries on playing, but now for the other side.

I’m here for another hour or so so I am currently going to withold my vote