[Kaschan]

Woooah, some action! While Kessobahn was a bit hasty to reveal today, I can't honestly see him doing that unless it was real. I mean, you'd have to be a dumb-ass to try and get away with that.

Fener did post a code (although you'd have to really stretch the definition of the word "code"), but that's really the only scummy thing he's done.

So, is Fener a necro? I wouldn't have thought so, but shit, our way is clear. Either Fener is a necro, or Kessobahn is a liar, so we have our classic lynch-one-and-find-out scenario.

However, we should wait for him to come on and post a defence. Plus, I do agree that he's more likely to be a recruit than a full necro... but that doesn't mean we shouldn't lynch him

I will leave my vote until closer to deadline (or until he defends himself), as we seem to have two double-voters in the midst somewhere.

Path-Shaper, on Jan 22 2009, 03:24 PM, said:

Standard rules for the cult, you don't gain the powers of a Necromancer, you are merely on their team you keep your existing role etc.
Note its a little unclear, our own fault for not proof reading. I blame JA personally.

Also since its come up a few times, The Creature can still win if the others on his team are dead since he is an original member of the Undead. The Recruits require a Necromancer alive.

And just to complete the clarification process, Necromancers know if they have recruited successfully.

Mods, do the recruited learn the name of their masters?

If so, we should look through Fener's posts for clues if/when he comes back necro.

[Kessobahn]

D'riss, on Jan 22 2009, 05:59 PM, said:

After further reading and thought I'm very uneasy about Kesso's reveal. So here's a (probably weak) theory:

Kesso is a necro and has identified Fener as psycho (and others have expressed suspicion about Fener). Using a fake reveal to add enormous weight to his argument he starts the fastest train in the game yet on Fener. Fener is lynched, one less psycho and Kesso comes out smelling of roses. The only person who would know he is bullshitting would be the real medium. This would contradict his outing of Fener as necro/recruit, but as we've seen our Kesso is full of contradictions...

If he's telling the truth, the creature and/or the psychos will kill him tonight – its a suicidal reveal unless he's recruited by the necros, keeps his role as Medium and carries on playing, but now for the other side.

I'm here for another hour or so so I am currently going to withold my vote

Why would I, as a necro want to out the last killer? Without killers recruitment gets a lot less efficient. And how could I possibly be certain enough to take that massive chance?

And I'm full of contradictions am I?

[Mockra]

@ mods
Psychic gets 2 finds

obviously on the "dead/alive" creature comes back as "dead"
but the other find is "killer/not killer" psychos come back killers, obviously
but the creature can also kill.
so, would it be killer or not?

[D'riss]

@ Mockra, quoted from the roles list:

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Note: recruited players keep whatever role they had before, although their winning conditions change to the Necromancer's. Also, they will learn the name of their new masters upon recruitment.

However, if he is lynched the necros cannot recruit him.

[D'riss]

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 22 2009, 05:59 PM, said:

After further reading and thought I'm very uneasy about Kesso's reveal. So here's a (probably weak) theory:

Kesso is a necro and has identified Fener as psycho (and others have expressed suspicion about Fener). Using a fake reveal to add enormous weight to his argument he starts the fastest train in the game yet on Fener. Fener is lynched, one less psycho and Kesso comes out smelling of roses. The only person who would know he is bullshitting would be the real medium. This would contradict his outing of Fener as necro/recruit, but as we've seen our Kesso is full of contradictions...

If he's telling the truth, the creature and/or the psychos will kill him tonight – its a suicidal reveal unless he's recruited by the necros, keeps his role as Medium and carries on playing, but now for the other side.

I'm here for another hour or so so I am currently going to withold my vote

Why would I, as a necro want to out the last killer? Without killers recruitment gets a lot less efficient. And how could I possibly be certain enough to take that massive chance?

And I'm full of contradictions am I?

We don't know he's the last killer, who said there were only 2? And you still have the creature.

[Mockra]

D'riss, on Jan 22 2009, 12:09 PM, said:

@ Mockra, quoted from the roles list:

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Note: recruited players keep whatever role they had before, although their winning conditions change to the Necromancer's. Also, they will learn the name of their new masters upon recruitment.

However, if he is lynched the necros cannot recruit him.

You're confusing me with Kaschan

personally, I think that regardless of Fener's CF our dear old psychic should ask Kesso the dead or alive question tonight.

[D'riss]

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

And I'm full of contradictions am I?

No, mixing you up with gaylord, my apologies sir

[Shadow]

Shit. This early Kesso- our CF is the most important thing we have. As I was reading your case on Fener I had decided i was going to change my vote to Fener and then... I hit the last part and BAM. Medium Reveal. I really hope you are just convinced he is Necro. and fake revealing to get him lynched. I would also urge the Psychic to please investigate Kess. cause its possible he is a roled symp, (perhaps a Symp/Pshchic??) and if thats the case we have a symp that can really steer the game, ala Dibs in the ambergoudi;UFHfu game. But I guess that wouldn't help as he would come back inno... dammit dammit dammit.

Kess- Would you care to explain how trading the CF for 1 of the 3 main undeads is a good trade for team inno? I can't follow your logic here. You had a good case going without the reveal! At least wait to see if it picks up some steam before you sacrafice like that. Cause if you are alive tomorrow, i bet 80% of the conversation will be about if you got recruited tonight. So we sacrafice CF, a whole day of discussion, and an inno (you). All for 1 recruit or Necro. It just doesn't make sense.

[D'riss]

Mockra, on Jan 22 2009, 05:20 PM, said:

You're confusing me with Kaschan

Indeed I am, I seem to be very confused atm

[Path-Shaper]

Mockra, on Jan 22 2009, 06:09 PM, said:

@ mods
Psychic gets 2 finds

obviously on the "dead/alive" creature comes back as "dead"
but the other find is "killer/not killer" psychos come back killers, obviously
but the creature can also kill.
so, would it be killer or not?

Note the wording:

Quote

In a killer/not a killer find, the Psychopath killers will come up as "killer", and everyone else is “not a killer” (including the symps).

[Kaschan]

Mockra, on Jan 22 2009, 05:20 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jan 22 2009, 12:09 PM, said:

@ Mockra, quoted from the roles list:

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Note: recruited players keep whatever role they had before, although their winning conditions change to the Necromancer's. Also, they will learn the name of their new masters upon recruitment.

However, if he is lynched the necros cannot recruit him.

You're confusing me with Kaschan

personally, I think that regardless of Fener's CF our dear old psychic should ask Kesso the dead or alive question tonight.

Yeah, I think he was... cheers for the info though D'riss.

Shadow, on Jan 22 2009, 05:22 PM, said:

Kess- Would you care to explain how trading the CF for 1 of the 3 main undeads is a good trade for team inno? I can't follow your logic here. You had a good case going without the reveal! At least wait to see if it picks up some steam before you sacrafice like that. Cause if you are alive tomorrow, i bet 80% of the conversation will be about if you got recruited tonight. So we sacrafice CF, a whole day of discussion, and an inno (you). All for 1 recruit or Necro. It just doesn't make sense.

This is a good point. There is a reasonable chance that Fener's will be our last CF in this game, which makes things complicated to say the least. And if Kess doesn't die tonight... then he's probably been recruited and we will have to lynch him anyway. Not a good situation to be in at this stage of the game.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2, ~4.5 hours left in the day

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night

2 vote Galain (Korlat, Fener)
1 vote Silanah (Shadow)
1 vote Tennes (Kaschan)
8 vote Fener (Kessobahn, Ruse, Galayn Lord, Liosan, Hood's Path, Meanas,, Mockra, Ampelas)
1 vote Galayn Lord (Omtose)

7 have not voted: Anomandaris , D'riss , Galain, Rashan, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.

[D'riss]

Damn! This is getting bloody interesting but I have to go. So

Vote Fener

and damn the torpedoes!

[Kaschan]

Right, ok, that puts Fener at L-2, which could conceivably actually be a lynch with the double-voters. The guy hasn't been on since the reveal, so we should be careful not to speedlynch him here. There's still a good 4 hours left in the day.

[Shadow]

I am leaving soon as well. Should I hold my vote and hope ppl jump on? Or should I vote now and risk that there is a double voter on the train?

[Kaschan]

Well, that's up to you. But personally I'd hold it. I'll be putting my vote on nearer the time if we don't hear from him (maybe he's running scared?)

[Shadow]

What's he going to say though?? "no i'm not" If Kess is full of shit, we'll get a CF and know. If Kess is telling the truth, we'll get a CF and know. If he has been recruited, he's not going to tell us anything. I guess the only reason we hold off is if Kess for some reason decided to fake reveal cause he is sure of Fener's guilt. I guess i'll hold off. Who knows, maybe a day vig will come by and take out Kess or Fener and save us the trouble

[Shadow]

Omtose, on Jan 22 2009, 07:52 AM, said:

Vote Galayn Lord.

I think you've made a few rather visible mistakes on the past few pages and jumped pretty high each time the mistake was revealed, only to bounce back with another flawed post.

You started by voting Kessobahn - then, upon reaction, you're withdrawing and saying you didn't think things through. Hello, this is the single biggest point so far in the game, why didn't you think before you posted?

Then, you tried to discredit his reveal by pointing out Serc as the possible medium - when that was practically impossible due to the presence of a CF after his death - yet you missed that... again!

It reeks of trying to do some damage control and cast doubt, but done hastily.

Now, I doubt I can get a full train on your ass with the reveal and the light in which it portrays Fener, but since I'll be around for most of the evening and can remove vote any time, it's the best way to point out that you're behaving somewhat erratically.

Also, WTF... shit is hitting the fan and this is what you have to add? No comment on Kess' reveal? No comment on Fener's play? Very odd Omtose, couple that with the fact that you have basically dropped off the map after day 1. Whats up?

eta: GL's quotes are a bit dodgy, but still!!

This post has been edited by Shadow: 22 January 2009 - 05:52 PM

[Kaschan]

Yeah, likely thing is we're just going to lynch Fener. But seems a bit rushed to lynch him without a response, if we have the chance to wait.

Having said that, haven't seen him on in a while so I reckon he's just given up the ghost and is avoiding the thread. That's what I do when I'm scum and been found out

eta. corrs post.

Definite weirdness. Day one - claim killer, then disappear. Day 2, vote random person when there is a massive lynch target to be addressed. Maybe Omtose is not really paying attention.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 22 January 2009 - 05:51 PM

[Kaschan]

Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 05:49 PM, said:

eta. corrs post.