[Ruse]

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 03:26 PM, said:

vote fener

I have been trying to work out an angle for this reveal, and it is just too risky for a necromancer when they have all the advantages.

If he is lying i would say he's a symp.

[Anomandaris]

Right, well I'm not entirely sure that reveal was wise, but I guess what's done is done. From your evidence, I would be more inclined to draw the conclusion that Fener was recruited last night, as opposed to actually being one of the Necromancers (although that doesn't preclude him from being the Creature...hmm). If possible, I'd prefer to try and target the necromancers themselves as opposed to the undead - cut off the head and we stop the cult from growing, y'know? So I figure we should hold off on lynching Fener until we don't have any other avenues to pursue.

I'll admit that despite all the muck that people have been raking up (admirably large quantities ), there isn't really a strong candidate for a lynch today thus far. However, I'll hold off on voting for Fener for a little while just in case something else appears.

[Liosan]

Ruse, on Jan 22 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 03:26 PM, said:

vote fener

I have been trying to work out an angle for this reveal, and it is just too risky for a necromancer when they have all the advantages.

If he is lying i would say he's a symp.

On a normal day two i would agree, but right now after losing one killer i doubt team psycho are making much noise and wouldn't be pulling a reveal.

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on Jan 22 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 03:26 PM, said:

vote fener

I have been trying to work out an angle for this reveal, and it is just too risky for a necromancer when they have all the advantages.

If he is lying i would say he's a symp.

He could be both actually. Nothing saying a symp medium isnt allowed. Although it does seem a bit pointless.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2, ~8 hours left in the day

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night

2 vote Galain (Korlat, Fener)
1 vote Tennes (Mockra)
2 votes Silanah (Meanas, Shadow)
1 vote Kessobahn (Rashan )
2 vote Tennes (Kaschan, D'riss)
4 votes Fener (Kessobahn,Ruse,Galayn Lord,Liosan)

7 have not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris , Galain, Hood's Path, Omtose, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.


NOTE: You'll be Modless for the next hour or two. If you lynch in that time, you'll just have to wait.

[Path-Shaper]

Just a note of clarification since its come up a few times: Necromancers can pick themselves as their recruits. .

[Hood's Path]

Anomandaris, on Jan 22 2009, 06:32 AM, said:

Right, well I'm not entirely sure that reveal was wise, but I guess what's done is done. From your evidence, I would be more inclined to draw the conclusion that Fener was recruited last night, as opposed to actually being one of the Necromancers (although that doesn't preclude him from being the Creature...hmm). If possible, I'd prefer to try and target the necromancers themselves as opposed to the undead - cut off the head and we stop the cult from growing, y'know? So I figure we should hold off on lynching Fener until we don't have any other avenues to pursue.

I'll admit that despite all the muck that people have been raking up (admirably large quantities ), there isn't really a strong candidate for a lynch today thus far. However, I'll hold off on voting for Fener for a little while just in case something else appears.

I too think it more likely that Fener was recruited and is not likely to be one of the necromancers. Going for the Necromancers is a good idea especially as they need at least one to be alive by the end for the undead to survive. If we could eventually remove them all it would be like killing two birds with one stone. It would also, as you say cut down on their ability to recruit. The biggest problem with it though is that we don't have any suggestions thus far as to who the necros could be and we are getting short on time for the day. Does any one know how much time do we have left exactly? If we take out Fener we maybe at least get a recruit and best case scenario take out a necro. Worst case scenario he's an inno but then we know for sure something's up with Kesso. Unless or until we can figure out if someone is a possible necro, I'm going to go with Fener.

vote Fener

EDIT to add: ok we have 8 hours left, sorry PS posted while I was still typing my response

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 22 January 2009 - 02:49 PM

[Liosan]

The way i see it, Kessobahn is either the medium or the necromancer. I have asked the mods for clarification on thread regarding how the necromancer recruitment works, it seems a ridiculous mechanic to be able to protect themselves in such a way. If though they are told when a recruitment is successful then there is a strong chance that kessobahn is in fact a necromancer, it seems too convenient that two of the three on his list were targeted for a night kill and only one died because they were a killer. Feeling the heat this morning he could easily be sacrificing his recruit to ensure passage to the end game as if he doesn't die, we are never sure if he is a recruit or still playing for our team.

[Liosan]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 22 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

Just a note of clarification since its come up a few times: Necromancers can pick themselves as their recruits. .

Do they know if recruitment is successful?

[Meanas]

Ok first WOW. That is a seriously big reveal. A guy goes to sleep for a little while and shit hits the fan. Silanah thanks for posting something.

Remove Vote

I agree with Liosan that a fake reveal by a killers symp after the killers had lost someone last night doesn't make any sense. I also think that there doens't seem to be a reason for one of Necro to fake reveal. After all they just had their number go up and are probably just waiting till later in the day and then look to jump on a train. So I am going to treat Kesso's reveal like any finder reveal. Test. If right then great, if wrong then lynch the revealer. So for your sake Kesso I hope that your right.


Vote Fener

[Meanas]

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

The way i see it, Kessobahn is either the medium or the necromancer. I have asked the mods for clarification on thread regarding how the necromancer recruitment works, it seems a ridiculous mechanic to be able to protect themselves in such a way. If though they are told when a recruitment is successful then there is a strong chance that kessobahn is in fact a necromancer, it seems too convenient that two of the three on his list were targeted for a night kill and only one died because they were a killer. Feeling the heat this morning he could easily be sacrificing his recruit to ensure passage to the end game as if he doesn't die, we are never sure if he is a recruit or still playing for our team.

I just had a thought what if when someone is recruited they become a full blown Necro and are not some kind of lower based zombie thing. From the front.

Quote

The Undead win when they are majority (and one of the necromancers is still alive)

Necromancer: Halloween is a perfect time for you as the spirit of the dead linger so close to the living, and you can raise them to your eternal servitude. Curious about whether this “new” Halloween will have the same opportunities, you realize with pleasure that it does. Every night, the Necromancers send to the mods a list of alts. If a player in this list is targeted for a successful kill during that night, they survive and become part of the Necromancer team. If there are more than one Necromancer, they can communicate off-thread at any time.

That would explain why one of the Necro's need to be alive to win. The only other undead would then be the creature. Which means that it is just as important to take out someone who was recruited as an original necro.

[Ruse]

Well thats me for the day.
Wont be back before the deadline

Vote stays where it is.
Lets hope we are on to something.

[Hood's Path]

Meanas, on Jan 22 2009, 07:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

The way i see it, Kessobahn is either the medium or the necromancer. I have asked the mods for clarification on thread regarding how the necromancer recruitment works, it seems a ridiculous mechanic to be able to protect themselves in such a way. If though they are told when a recruitment is successful then there is a strong chance that kessobahn is in fact a necromancer, it seems too convenient that two of the three on his list were targeted for a night kill and only one died because they were a killer. Feeling the heat this morning he could easily be sacrificing his recruit to ensure passage to the end game as if he doesn't die, we are never sure if he is a recruit or still playing for our team.

I just had a thought what if when someone is recruited they become a full blown Necro and are not some kind of lower based zombie thing. From the front.

Quote

The Undead win when they are majority (and one of the necromancers is still alive)

Necromancer: Halloween is a perfect time for you as the spirit of the dead linger so close to the living, and you can raise them to your eternal servitude. Curious about whether this "new" Halloween will have the same opportunities, you realize with pleasure that it does. Every night, the Necromancers send to the mods a list of alts. If a player in this list is targeted for a successful kill during that night, they survive and become part of the Necromancer team. If there are more than one Necromancer, they can communicate off-thread at any time.

That would explain why one of the Necro's need to be alive to win. The only other undead would then be the creature. Which means that it is just as important to take out someone who was recruited as an original necro.

If they automatically become when of the necromancers when recruited why bother to call them the Undead? Also note that it says and one of the Necromancers is still alive. I don't think they would put the and in there if the Necros and recruits were all one and the same. Can we get clarification from the mods on this?

[Anomandaris]

Meanas, on Jan 22 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

The way i see it, Kessobahn is either the medium or the necromancer. I have asked the mods for clarification on thread regarding how the necromancer recruitment works, it seems a ridiculous mechanic to be able to protect themselves in such a way. If though they are told when a recruitment is successful then there is a strong chance that kessobahn is in fact a necromancer, it seems too convenient that two of the three on his list were targeted for a night kill and only one died because they were a killer. Feeling the heat this morning he could easily be sacrificing his recruit to ensure passage to the end game as if he doesn't die, we are never sure if he is a recruit or still playing for our team.

I just had a thought what if when someone is recruited they become a full blown Necro and are not some kind of lower based zombie thing. From the front.

Quote

The Undead win when they are majority (and one of the necromancers is still alive)

Necromancer: Halloween is a perfect time for you as the spirit of the dead linger so close to the living, and you can raise them to your eternal servitude. Curious about whether this "new" Halloween will have the same opportunities, you realize with pleasure that it does. Every night, the Necromancers send to the mods a list of alts. If a player in this list is targeted for a successful kill during that night, they survive and become part of the Necromancer team. If there are more than one Necromancer, they can communicate off-thread at any time.

That would explain why one of the Necro's need to be alive to win. The only other undead would then be the creature. Which means that it is just as important to take out someone who was recruited as an original necro.

There's an addendum that implies this isn't the case though:

PS said:

Note: recruited players keep whatever role they had before, although their winning conditions change to the Necromancer's. Also, they will learn the name of their new masters upon recruitment.

Which says to me that they don't become Necromancers, they just keep whatever role they had before, except now their batting for a different team.

[Meanas]

Hood's Path, on Jan 22 2009, 03:07 PM, said:

Meanas, on Jan 22 2009, 07:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

The way i see it, Kessobahn is either the medium or the necromancer. I have asked the mods for clarification on thread regarding how the necromancer recruitment works, it seems a ridiculous mechanic to be able to protect themselves in such a way. If though they are told when a recruitment is successful then there is a strong chance that kessobahn is in fact a necromancer, it seems too convenient that two of the three on his list were targeted for a night kill and only one died because they were a killer. Feeling the heat this morning he could easily be sacrificing his recruit to ensure passage to the end game as if he doesn't die, we are never sure if he is a recruit or still playing for our team.

I just had a thought what if when someone is recruited they become a full blown Necro and are not some kind of lower based zombie thing. From the front.

Quote

The Undead win when they are majority (and one of the necromancers is still alive)

Necromancer: Halloween is a perfect time for you as the spirit of the dead linger so close to the living, and you can raise them to your eternal servitude. Curious about whether this "new" Halloween will have the same opportunities, you realize with pleasure that it does. Every night, the Necromancers send to the mods a list of alts. If a player in this list is targeted for a successful kill during that night, they survive and become part of the Necromancer team. If there are more than one Necromancer, they can communicate off-thread at any time.

That would explain why one of the Necro's need to be alive to win. The only other undead would then be the creature. Which means that it is just as important to take out someone who was recruited as an original necro.

If they automatically become when of the necromancers when recruited why bother to call them the Undead? Also note that it says and one of the Necromancers is still alive. I don't think they would put the and in there if the Necros and recruits were all one and the same. Can we get clarification from the mods on this?

I think that the undead refers to both the necro's and the creature. Kind of like how venge had both the Predator and the Aliens fall under Alien in his winning conditions.

[Meanas]

Anomandaris, on Jan 22 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

Meanas, on Jan 22 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

The way i see it, Kessobahn is either the medium or the necromancer. I have asked the mods for clarification on thread regarding how the necromancer recruitment works, it seems a ridiculous mechanic to be able to protect themselves in such a way. If though they are told when a recruitment is successful then there is a strong chance that kessobahn is in fact a necromancer, it seems too convenient that two of the three on his list were targeted for a night kill and only one died because they were a killer. Feeling the heat this morning he could easily be sacrificing his recruit to ensure passage to the end game as if he doesn't die, we are never sure if he is a recruit or still playing for our team.

I just had a thought what if when someone is recruited they become a full blown Necro and are not some kind of lower based zombie thing. From the front.

Quote

The Undead win when they are majority (and one of the necromancers is still alive)

Necromancer: Halloween is a perfect time for you as the spirit of the dead linger so close to the living, and you can raise them to your eternal servitude. Curious about whether this "new" Halloween will have the same opportunities, you realize with pleasure that it does. Every night, the Necromancers send to the mods a list of alts. If a player in this list is targeted for a successful kill during that night, they survive and become part of the Necromancer team. If there are more than one Necromancer, they can communicate off-thread at any time.

That would explain why one of the Necro's need to be alive to win. The only other undead would then be the creature. Which means that it is just as important to take out someone who was recruited as an original necro.

There's an addendum that implies this isn't the case though:

PS said:

Note: recruited players keep whatever role they had before, although their winning conditions change to the Necromancer's. Also, they will learn the name of their new masters upon recruitment.

Which says to me that they don't become Necromancers, they just keep whatever role they had before, except now their batting for a different team.

I hope that you are right.

[Hood's Path]

Anomandaris, on Jan 22 2009, 07:08 AM, said:

Meanas, on Jan 22 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

The way i see it, Kessobahn is either the medium or the necromancer. I have asked the mods for clarification on thread regarding how the necromancer recruitment works, it seems a ridiculous mechanic to be able to protect themselves in such a way. If though they are told when a recruitment is successful then there is a strong chance that kessobahn is in fact a necromancer, it seems too convenient that two of the three on his list were targeted for a night kill and only one died because they were a killer. Feeling the heat this morning he could easily be sacrificing his recruit to ensure passage to the end game as if he doesn't die, we are never sure if he is a recruit or still playing for our team.

I just had a thought what if when someone is recruited they become a full blown Necro and are not some kind of lower based zombie thing. From the front.

Quote

The Undead win when they are majority (and one of the necromancers is still alive)

Necromancer: Halloween is a perfect time for you as the spirit of the dead linger so close to the living, and you can raise them to your eternal servitude. Curious about whether this "new" Halloween will have the same opportunities, you realize with pleasure that it does. Every night, the Necromancers send to the mods a list of alts. If a player in this list is targeted for a successful kill during that night, they survive and become part of the Necromancer team. If there are more than one Necromancer, they can communicate off-thread at any time.

That would explain why one of the Necro's need to be alive to win. The only other undead would then be the creature. Which means that it is just as important to take out someone who was recruited as an original necro.

There's an addendum that implies this isn't the case though:

PS said:

Note: recruited players keep whatever role they had before, although their winning conditions change to the Necromancer's. Also, they will learn the name of their new masters upon recruitment.

Which says to me that they don't become Necromancers, they just keep whatever role they had before, except now their batting for a different team.

I'm inclinderd to agree with Anomandaris on this one but I still think we should get clarification from the mods.

[D'riss]

I also agree with Ano.

Well lynching Fener will tell us a lot more than my original vote so

Remove Vote

Vote Fener

[Path-Shaper]

Standard rules for the cult, you don't gain the powers of a Necromancer, you are merely on their team you keep your existing role etc.
Note its a little unclear, our own fault for not proof reading. I blame JA personally.

Also since its come up a few times, The Creature can still win if the others on his team are dead since he is an original member of the Undead. The Recruits require a Necromancer alive.

And just to complete the clarification process, Necromancers know if they have recruited successfully.

[Meanas]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 22 2009, 03:24 PM, said:

Standard rules for the cult, you don't gain the powers of a Necromancer, you are merely on their team you keep your existing role etc.
Note its a little unclear, our own fault for not proof reading. I blame JA personally. Of course with out question and especially since venge isn't modding.

Also since its come up a few times, The Creature can still win if the others on his team are dead since he is an original member of the Undead. The Recruits require a Necromancer alive. Ok

And just to complete the clarification process, Necromancers know if they have recruited successfully.
Booo

Thank you for that clarification Mods.
Ok well that helps out. So if Kesso is telling the truth then Fener is a recruit not one of the originals. That just leaves us right were we were before testing to see if Kesso is telling the truth.