[Omtose]

Shadow, on Jan 22 2009, 06:49 PM, said:

Omtose, on Jan 22 2009, 07:52 AM, said:

Vote Galayn Lord.

I think you've made a few rather visible mistakes on the past few pages and jumped pretty high each time the mistake was revealed, only to bounce back with another flawed post.

You started by voting Kessobahn - then, upon reaction, you're withdrawing and saying you didn't think things through. Hello, this is the single biggest point so far in the game, why didn't you think before you posted?

Then, you tried to discredit his reveal by pointing out Serc as the possible medium - when that was practically impossible due to the presence of a CF after his death - yet you missed that... again!

It reeks of trying to do some damage control and cast doubt, but done hastily.

Now, I doubt I can get a full train on your ass with the reveal and the light in which it portrays Fener, but since I'll be around for most of the evening and can remove vote any time, it's the best way to point out that you're behaving somewhat erratically.

Also, WTF... shit is hitting the fan and this is what you have to add? No comment on Kess' reveal? No comment on Fener's play? Very odd Omtose, couple that with the fact that you have basically dropped off the map after day 1. Whats up?

See the bold for minor mentions of both reveal and playstyle.
Also, what else was to add? Everything has been said about Kessobahn - the timing (odd), the possibility of an angle/ fake reveal (though I miss the mention of doing it to out the real Medium), the risk-reward scale. Same about Fener - outing codes is a nono...

But the main deal about Fener (being one of the killer's targets, if Kesso is truely the medium, if he didn't lie about the answer he got, if we choose to believe him) is tied to Kessobahn and whether we believe him or not. Now, I'm wary and puzzled, as I didn't judge this a real good move for a medium to make at this point in time, and didn't expect this from the player I think Kesso is, either.
I do believe the way to find out is voting Fener, as said above by me.

Now, I could have typed all that and you could have essentially say the same: same blahblah we heard from everyone else. So I didn't, but I guess people prefer bleating about the obvious over silent agreement.
Also, I've been fucking busy with work. Yesterday I had time to post, but hey, there was the whole bag of dicks thing going on between Ruse and Thyrllan, and after reading all that crap (yes, I read it ), I was so bloody turned off by the game at that stage that I had no wish whatsoever to reply, even if it was a (de)motivational post like 'fuckers, get your act together.'

Needless to say that in the light of my RP on day 1, it would have been fucking hypocritical to boot.

[Kaschan]

Omtose, on Jan 22 2009, 05:59 PM, said:

But the main deal about Fener (being one of the killer's targets, if Kesso is truely the medium, if he didn't lie about the answer he got, if we choose to believe him) is tied to Kessobahn and whether we believe him or not. Now, I'm wary and puzzled, as I didn't judge this a real good move for a medium to make at this point in time, and didn't expect this from the player I think Kesso is, either.
I do believe the way to find out is voting Fener, as said above by me.

But you're voting Galayn Lord, right? So how is that going to help us find out?

[Omtose]

Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 07:05 PM, said:

Omtose, on Jan 22 2009, 05:59 PM, said:

But the main deal about Fener (being one of the killer's targets, if Kesso is truely the medium, if he didn't lie about the answer he got, if we choose to believe him) is tied to Kessobahn and whether we believe him or not. Now, I'm wary and puzzled, as I didn't judge this a real good move for a medium to make at this point in time, and didn't expect this from the player I think Kesso is, either.
I do believe the way to find out is voting Fener, as said above by me.

But you're voting Galayn Lord, right? So how is that going to help us find out?

I can remove that vote at will and switch to Fener - but I want to see Fener turn up and defend himself first. See the earlier post.
I didn't want to let GL go by without a vote, so I vote GL. Just like I said in my first post of this day:

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Vote Galayn Lord.

I think you've made a few rather visible mistakes on the past few pages and jumped pretty high each time the mistake was revealed, only to bounce back with another flawed post.

You started by voting Kessobahn - then, upon reaction, you're withdrawing and saying you didn't think things through. Hello, this is the single biggest point so far in the game, why didn't you think before you posted?

Then, you tried to discredit his reveal by pointing out Serc as the possible medium - when that was practically impossible due to the presence of a CF after his death - yet you missed that... again!

It reeks of trying to do some damage control and cast doubt, but done hastily.

Now, I doubt I can get a full train on your ass with the reveal and the light in which it portrays Fener, but since I'll be around for most of the evening and can remove vote any time, it's the best way to point out that you're behaving somewhat erratically.

See?

[Shadow]

Omtose, on Jan 22 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

Now, I could have typed all that and you could have essentially say the same: same blahblah we heard from everyone else. So I didn't, but I guess people prefer bleating about the obvious over silent agreement.

I am truly sorry I was unable to read between the lines of your silent agreement and infer from 1 sentence what it took you 3 paragraphs to write. My apologies. I will be sure to infer many things from what your don't say in the future. Cheers.

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This post has been edited by Shadow: 22 January 2009 - 06:28 PM

[Korlat]

Remove Vote

Vote Fener


This is what I should've done before I went to bed quite some time ago - I didn't like his attempt to out an Inno pair then, and I don't
like it now. I have no opinion on the Kesso thing, I kind of think he's faking. I'm just hoping the Medium is a paired role, so that we
don't lose our CF if he gets killed tonight.

I believe this puts Fener back at L-2.

[Kaschan]

L-1 I think.

@Omtose, calm down dear.

[Shadow]

Looked at Fener's posts. He generally jumps on between now, and 3 hrs from now. So its possible he might show up.

[Korlat]

Back in a bit - heading out for coffee, and some breakfast.

I'm inclined to believe that we're chasing the wrong priorities, but nothing clearer has emerged.

[Shadow]

Well, if he's not dead, that means that we can narrow down who the double voters are pretty well. I only mention this because, it's unlikely that Gavin/JA gave team inno 2 double voters. Thats pretty powerful. As I don't think they would give it to a Necro or Killer. We have a list of 4 who might be a symp.

[Kessobahn]

Shadow, on Jan 22 2009, 06:22 PM, said:

Shit. This early Kesso- our CF is the most important thing we have. As I was reading your case on Fener I had decided i was going to change my vote to Fener and then... I hit the last part and BAM. Medium Reveal. I really hope you are just convinced he is Necro. and fake revealing to get him lynched. I would also urge the Psychic to please investigate Kess. cause its possible he is a roled symp, (perhaps a Symp/Pshchic??) and if thats the case we have a symp that can really steer the game, ala Dibs in the ambergoudi;UFHfu game. But I guess that wouldn't help as he would come back inno... dammit dammit dammit.

Kess- Would you care to explain how trading the CF for 1 of the 3 main undeads is a good trade for team inno? I can't follow your logic here. You had a good case going without the reveal! At least wait to see if it picks up some steam before you sacrafice like that. Cause if you are alive tomorrow, i bet 80% of the conversation will be about if you got recruited tonight. So we sacrafice CF, a whole day of discussion, and an inno (you). All for 1 recruit or Necro. It just doesn't make sense.

I think you people are exagerating the value of the CF. A CF is a team neutral tool. The innocents do not benefit more from it than does the killers. Believe me, there's page upon page upon page discussing this over at westeros and the consensus is quite clear. With two evil factions, the evil factions need the CF to spot each other. The innos on the other hand have the finder. In this setting, with the CF gone the innos will be the only group not moving blind through the game. So, I am not as important as you want to believe, I think.

Also, I realised after the massive clusterfuck that was my suspicion of three, that the killers would in all likelihood target me on the suspicion that I was a Necro. Better then to push harder with the reveal.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night

1 vote Galain (Fener)
1 vote Silanah (Shadow)
1 vote Tennes (Kaschan)
10 vote Fener (Kessobahn, Ruse, Galayn Lord, Liosan, Hood's Path, Meanas, D'riss, Mockra, Ampelas, Korlat)
1 vote Galayn Lord (Omtose)

6 have not voted: Anomandaris , Galain, Rashan, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.
---

The day starts in turmoil. The death of a psychopath is celebrate by all, although you have this nagging feeling there should have been more people dying.

“I knew he was a killer”, says Thyrllan smugly, “one of the 12 votes I made yesterday was for him”.

After repeating this too many times, a heated fight starts involving him, D’riss and Ruse. If feels interminable, but after many attempts by other players to separate them they finally settle down.

“That made me hungry,” says Ruse, taking out bags of dicks he seems to be keeping in his coat pockets
“I also have some ass munch” says Rashan, and passes it around.

A little later, Fener appears and points at Ruse.

“Yo, I think you and Galain have been shagging in that corner over there”.

The remark is not well taken, as many wonder what kind of person walks around putting his nose in other people’s briefs.
Suddenly, the voice of Kessobahn fills the room
“Ooooooh, I am a Medium. Emurlahn, I feel your presence. Who did you try to kill last night?”
…
“Well, that leaves Fener I guess. That’s it, that confirms my suspicions. Fener is a Necromancer and he raised himself from the dead!”

“Necromancers can do that?” asks Ruse “Them’s bad mofos!”

Others decide that it kind of makes sense, and start mobbing poor Fener. The already stiff body of Serc is brought down and quickly discarded.

Good thing you brought a tough rope…

Fener (morgoth45) has been lynched. He was undead.


It is now NIGHT. Please send/confirm your night actions if any

[Kessobahn]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an executioner on the train, like last time.. If so, I believe that's a lynch

[Kessobahn]

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 07:41 PM, said:

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an executioner on the train, like last time.. If so, I believe that's a lynch

and so it was .. and I believe I deserve a bit of applause

[Shadow]

OK, so was a double voter... that lease another 4 possible lol. And Kess was right. So thats good. This night should be interesting.

[Omtose]

Shadow, on Jan 22 2009, 07:27 PM, said:

Omtose, on Jan 22 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

Now, I could have typed all that and you could have essentially say the same: same blahblah we heard from everyone else. So I didn't, but I guess people prefer bleating about the obvious over silent agreement.

I am truly sorry I was unable to read between the lines of your silent agreement and infer from 1 sentence what it took you 3 paragraphs to write. My apologies. I will be sure to infer many things from what your don't say in the future. Cheers.

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Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 07:33 PM, said:

L-1 I think.

@Omtose, calm down dear.

It's never good with you people, is it?

I made the statements (in the first post) as I made them from what was obvious to me. Now, you probably didn't think it was obvious, but hey, if you ask for clarification and throw in a WTF is that all you can come up with, don't act surprised/insulted if I then spell it out rather expansively - cause basically, these three paragraphs don't contain a thing you didn't know, and nothing you couldn't guess I would say, now do they?

[Kaschan]

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

I think you people are exagerating the value of the CF. A CF is a team neutral tool. The innocents do not benefit more from it than does the killers. Believe me, there's page upon page upon page discussing this over at westeros and the consensus is quite clear. With two evil factions, the evil factions need the CF to spot each other. The innos on the other hand have the finder. In this setting, with the CF gone the innos will be the only group not moving blind through the game. So, I am not as important as you want to believe, I think.

Also, I realised after the massive clusterfuck that was my suspicion of three, that the killers would in all likelihood target me on the suspicion that I was a Necro. Better then to push harder with the reveal.

Are you trying to claim that a CF is useless? Who cares what the muppets on westeros think - CFs are incredibly valuable.

If we didn't get a CF on Fener tonight, we would not know whether you were bullshitting us or not.

eta. aaaaah, speak of the devil

So there you go, that just made my point for me!

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 22 January 2009 - 06:46 PM

[Shadow]

@Kess. When do you get your message. during the night? or in the morning?

[Omtose]

Also: yeeey, bad guy down!

[Omtose]

Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

I think you people are exagerating the value of the CF. A CF is a team neutral tool. The innocents do not benefit more from it than does the killers. Believe me, there's page upon page upon page discussing this over at westeros and the consensus is quite clear. With two evil factions, the evil factions need the CF to spot each other. The innos on the other hand have the finder. In this setting, with the CF gone the innos will be the only group not moving blind through the game. So, I am not as important as you want to believe, I think.

Also, I realised after the massive clusterfuck that was my suspicion of three, that the killers would in all likelihood target me on the suspicion that I was a Necro. Better then to push harder with the reveal.

Are you trying to claim that a CF is useless? Who cares what the muppets on westeros think - CFs are incredibly valuable.

If we didn't get a CF on Fener tonight, we would not know whether you were bullshitting us or not.

You do love black and white, don't you?

Worthless =/= neutral.
He also clearly explains that the finder is an additional tool for us inno's to make up for a possible lack of CF - something the killers will never possess, and the necro's only if they manage to recruit the finder first.

[Kessobahn]

Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

I think you people are exagerating the value of the CF. A CF is a team neutral tool. The innocents do not benefit more from it than does the killers. Believe me, there's page upon page upon page discussing this over at westeros and the consensus is quite clear. With two evil factions, the evil factions need the CF to spot each other. The innos on the other hand have the finder. In this setting, with the CF gone the innos will be the only group not moving blind through the game. So, I am not as important as you want to believe, I think.

Also, I realised after the massive clusterfuck that was my suspicion of three, that the killers would in all likelihood target me on the suspicion that I was a Necro. Better then to push harder with the reveal.

Are you trying to claim that a CF is useless? Who cares what the muppets on westeros think - CFs are incredibly valuable.

If we didn't get a CF on Fener tonight, we would not know whether you were bullshitting us or not.

eta. aaaaah, speak of the devil

So there you go, that just made my point for me!

What are you talking about? It's quite amusing how you manage to read my post as saying that the CF is not important. But as they say, only the sith deals with absolutes and you are still my main suspect of being Fener's partner.