Silanah, on Nov 25 2008, 06:36 PM, said:
Rashan, on Nov 25 2008, 06:32 PM, said:
What I'd said was Liosan was VPI and Ano was PI. My bad. I've just kicked my argument in the face, but anyway.
Well, now we know for a fact Ano was an inno.
Interestingly the only two left from that argument are now me and Silanah, the two who are still butting heads...
i am beginning to think the killers are lausing us as a filler. If there are three of them say 2 killers and a symp, we could lose this game after tomorrows lynch, which makes liosan, though a tempting target given yesterdays outburst, a very dangerous lynch today. If they are inno we will possibly be down to 8 come tomorrow with only luck hopefully having removed a symp and i always play worst case scenario.
I suggest putting our fight on hold rashan for twelve hours, i am going to fuck off and let other people jump on and post, i will check the thread regularly and post, but i think i want to sit back and watch for a while, given the small number of players involved it would be easy for the killers to let us hog the limelight and then watch as we lynch each other.
here i set a deadline for my argument to resume with rashan, the reaosn is straightforward and designed to give other people a achance to post
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 07:46 PM, said:
Thoughts of the moment:
Anomandaris accused sil of distancing.
Now both Silanah and Rashan have said they're not gonna post much, deliberately.
Now, that just seems to me like a good excuse to hide, and take a back seat, contribute little, and have little chance of any slip up.
If you're around contribute.
It just strikes me as suspicious that two people who would be unlikely connected if one came up guilty, are pretty distacned, are both, at the same time, deciding not to contribute.
it says no where in my post about not contributing, you made this up to make us look bad, the quote is right there, i said i was going to comment but i wsnt going to comment on rashan for twelve hours.
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 07:57 PM, said:
Oh please, lets just brush it off with little explanation so no heed is payed.
Oh please, let you go ahead and deliberately not contribute.
You want not to discuss to stop it being focussed on the two off you?
Sorry, im completely not buying that.
Discuss everyone else, and the limelight is off you two. Simple. All you have to do, is refrain from attacking each other, which seems why you dont want to post, which shows you can refrain from it perfectly fine.
You had a lot of pressure earlier, and looked at one point quite a likely lynch. At that point, the logical thing for a killer partner to do would be to distance.
this was at rashan, you think us stopping hogging the thread is distancing.
D'riss, on Nov 25 2008, 07:59 PM, said:
could be they're just tired of talking for a bit... considering it's really not getting us anywhere anyhow--neither case is really that strong
Rashan's subtle attempts to PI Fener peak my curiosity.
I'm gonna go ,ook into that.
btw, where did Kaschan run off to again?
included because of the links between driss and rashn i brought up earlier. Also show other side of the story than just me and rashan against liosan.
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 08:13 PM, said:
removed inner text because too many quotes
As far as this goes, you seem intent to make everything in this discussion look bad, the fact that players are cordial even as they try to lynch each other seems like an alien concept to you.
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 08:18 PM, said:
Rashan, on Nov 25 2008, 10:12 PM, said:
As it stands, I see that actually some of you low posters can't even be analysed. Dear God, I have ten times the amount of posts Fener/Kaschan/Thyrllan have, and even with all my spam, I've posted more content. I think I've more than earned the ability to sit tight and be quiet for a night. Also, I'm doing an essay.
I had
three votes on me, that hardly constitutes a likely lynch. And If you know who Silanah is, well, he WILL lynch me later. He's just taking a wee reprieve, one in which I also already said I wouldn't post, but you people are just goading me into it. Liosan, if you read through our conversation you can clearly see why we're being quiet: Because us being loud and dominating gives killers something to hide behind. We're being used as a smokescreen, because of our more or less foundless arguments. If you continue trying to drag me into the open like this I will start to look at you very seriously indeed. As it is IGMEOY right atm.
Point 1: Lets push the attention onto those damn low posters. Even though hitting scum there would be basically random chance. Good plan there.
Point 2: 3 votes, fairly early day one, with others willing. 3 votes can easily start a train. Easily.
Point 3: Silanah, to me, is silanah. I judge on how people play a game. Not some mysitc meta bullshit.
Point 4: Theres that damn smokescreen again. If you want to avoid it, try not making fucking foundless arguments. Even so, discussion about other players now, is better than everyone else doing it later anyway, it saves time, we get opinions, we get more to judge on.
Point 5: Threaten away, I dont care. What is so fucking terrible about people being in the open, it gives more to build cases on. Whats the problem there, for an inno?
i agree with the first three points you make, but either you never read what we said or your being deliberately obtuse. No one said they were going to hide, we have played mafia before; as an inno thats a definite nono - as an evil that would rate up there with "if i die tonight" as things garaunteed to garner serious heat.
Rashan, on Nov 25 2008, 08:29 PM, said:
Oh, and for the record Liosan, being dragged out into the open is bad when its for foundless reasons other than to discuss players who have already been discussed to death. You're really being antagonistic here, putting a sinister slant on absolutely everything, and doing your very best to pull me into an argument. Which will serve absolutely no point. Except to muddy the waters again, and waste valuable time which could be used on other cases.
*cough*symp behaviour*cough*
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 09:06 PM, said:
Rashan, on Nov 25 2008, 10:23 PM, said:
It's not the discussion that's the problem, it's the fact that most players seem happy
to simply watch the whole thing unfold and not post anything constructive. Read over the thread. The argument I, Shadow, Ano and Silanah had took up the entire thread for a number of pages. I'm not saying I won't discuss things. I'm saying I won't focus on Silanah. I'm perfectly open to making cases on other players, in fact.
And mate? Oh no, heavens no, a term used between two people who know who each other outside of their alts? Christ, we must be scum. Just like me and Bent were scum for being somewhat courteous to each other and defending each other.
Edit: bloody crosspost
Thats exactly what you and sil are saying you're gonna do though, sit back. Yes they shouldnt. Neither should you.
Rashan, on Nov 25 2008, 10:29 PM, said:
Oh, and for the record Liosan, being dragged out into the open is bad when its for foundless reasons other than to discuss players who have already been discussed to death. You're really being antagonistic here, putting a sinister slant on absolutely everything, and doing your very best to pull me into an argument. Which will serve absolutely no point. Except to muddy the waters again, and waste valuable time which could be used on other cases.
*cough*symp behaviour*cough*
And this post is basically stating thats its now "scummy" to look at you and silanah. When the fuck did you two become CI. If you've been discussed before, its generally because you've been suspicious before.
Are you saying to discuss someone thats already been discussed, for completely different reasons, is now "scummy" aswell.
Its basically just saying:
Even though you have completely no reason to trust me or silanah, its pointless looking at us. In fact, its a scum tactic to discuss us any further.
your directing those comments at rashan but you painted me with the same brush. I never said anything liek this and yet your psuh that impression in every post as if rashan and i were somehow the same player, that is scummy.
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 09:18 PM, said:
I'm not gonna defend myself is a really nice way of making people doubt themselves, generally used when any defence you can think of will be shit, and therefore make people more likely to vote.
Why not defend? We have hours.
Surely there is a good, innocent, perfectly reasonable reason why you dont want you or silanah discussed further.
You go concentrate on other players.
Its a good thing to do, and who knows, build a decent enough case, and it may be very helpful, and everyone may lynch them, and they'll be a killer. Im happy to listen to any case you have.
Of course, I reckon you should still have time to put in a defence somewhere. If you can.
Tbh, I doubt any defence you have will be enough for me.
You seem to me, to have blatantly tried to stop people discussing you (or sil for that matter, hopefully defence there though), and called it scummy, etc, which to me just seems to scream scum.
Yes, we need to look at other people aswell.
That doesnt mean we shouldnt look at people already looked at.
You seem to be trying to convince everyone to ignore you. If you're innocent, and there isnt anything scummy about you, and everything you do has a reasonable explanation, why shouldnt they?
Rashan
you do back up your agression with a vote so no complaints there.
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 09:39 PM, said:
Since Rashan is refusing to defend, dont suppose you could say you're reasons sil, as you're guilty of the same thing, although to a lesser degree, it seemed to me.
Also, yeah, the ano death wasnt the most surprising death ever. The killers will want to keep people in, especially innos, who stir up confusion, not people who people are calling likely innocent, and who isnt being unhelpful or anything.
That second paragrraph caught my attention. i dotn know it just reads funny is all. Anos death isnt surprising, because kilelrs want to keep innos alive who stir up confusion?? ano was heavily involved day one and last i check gem came up inno
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 09:53 PM, said:
Feners kinda starting to contribute.
Although you could say hes deliberately doing it, due to the pressure on low posters. Argh, the confusion.
Ive g2g soon anyway.
Ive decided that I dont want to lynch a low poster.
Not yet anyway.
If you're not going to contribute, then its almost impossible to judge you, and therefore, its just chance to find the killer.
Therefore, if you're not going to actually play the game, you may as well be treated as such.
If you're not going to play the game, it will just be chance we pick the right one.
If people think that this is how they want to win, fine, but if you win without playing, you dont deserve it.
So im going to play with the people who are playing.
And the people who are not, dont really deserve to win, and unless they start contrbuting there is hardly point in them playing.
I am in two minds.
I feel they deserve lynched.
I also think that doing so stops us, the ones who are actually trying, from playing, and so is a waste of time and enjoyment.
again big brush strokes, but soem sense and like minded with me ragarding the dangers of voting off low posters.
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 09:57 PM, said:
Yes silanah, I am refusing to let you out of the spotlight.
Because its basically assuming that you arent scum.
In fact, that post has been nicely set up, by all the hints that anyone still looking at you is scummy.
I am looking at everyone.
It just so happens that you're looking the most scummy to me, and low posters are pointless, cause there is nothing to judge.
You two have basically been posting propoganda, about how its scummy to look at you.
Sorry, but I think thats very scummy.
And now you're trying to make me look scummy for not allowing you to fade out of thought?
Thats ridiculous.
Everyone should remain thought about.
You're basically saying its scummy not to ignore you.
I dont intend on ignoring anyone.
But you two are the only two asking to be ignored, which makes you seem far more scummy.
Forgive me for attacking the people I find most scummy, thats such a stupid thing to do...
again its not being in the spotlight i had a problem with, read the first quote, its being in the spotlight with rashan. Look at what way things went this morning, that would have started at beginning of day and not stopped if both of us hadnt decided to cool off at look at others for a while. Not once do i say dont look at me or its scummy, yet you againpropogate the impression that i have stated or implied that.
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 10:02 PM, said:
Also, Silanah, I thought you're objection wasnt to being in the spotlight.
I thought it was that you two were only discussing each other in the spotlight.
There's quite a difference.
I am happy that you are looking at other people.
I just dont want everyone else to look at just other people, and forget you, both must be looked at.
I also hate people refusing to defend themselves.
Oh, and Rashan, who's voting Kaschan?
Finally you begint o see sense and realise that what you are spouting isnt gospel.
Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 10:04 PM, said:
Silanah, on Nov 25 2008, 11:51 PM, said:
Possibly the starngest thing yet is that when we agreed to lay off each other until tomorrow morning Liosan has done his damnest to make us two the centre of attention again pulling the attention back to rashan and himself in melodramatic fashion. Does no one else find this strange?
Here he objects to being in the spotlight.
Now, I thought his complaint was that his Rashan vs Him thing was stopping us discussing others.
Well, we're discussing them now.
And he's still got a problem with being in the spotlight?
Why?
Not objecting to being in the spotlight, you label myself and rashan and thrust us two back intot he spotlight as if we are one pair. t his is exactly what a symp does, tries to draw attention away fromt he game and onto a asmall subnet they know is safe to attack, which is why i wanted th egame to broaden out to include others.
Without your shield from day 1 liosan you are very suspect in my eyes. just be thankful i still think rashan is worse, AND that i stand by my convictions, because my stubborness is keeping my vote where it is.
This post has been edited by Silanah: 26 November 2008 - 03:43 PM
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